NYS DOT UHf Long Island

dave3825

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I plugged these in before last storm and caught plow ops on 453.4375 referencing Robert Moses Causeway, Sunken Meadow, 454 and 106/107 during the storm. They are listed these Suffolk licenses.

KB41602
KLG421
WNFG794

453.0625
453.3375
453.4375 82.5 I believe
453.6125
453.7625

458.0625
458.1375
458.3375
458.4375
458.6125
458.7625

Anyone else have these programmed and if so have you heard anything?
 

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I hear them every night on the Low Band in nassau working on LIE ill put the uhf in see what comes up didnt no they had uhf
 

dave3825

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ill put the uhf in see what comes up

Thanks...

Leave out the pl in case it's different out there. I only saw UHf (for Long Island) on the Suffolk licenses. Took a quick look to see if there were any other licenses under a different a FRN but nothing jumped out for Nassau County. If your near the border they have a yard close to the Nass Suff line on I-495 WB Service Road @ Walt Whitman Rd.
 

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I plugged these in before last storm and caught plow ops on 453.4375 referencing Robert Moses Causeway, Sunken Meadow, 454 and 106/107 during the storm. They are listed these Suffolk licenses.

KB41602
KLG421
WNFG794

453.0625
453.3375
453.4375 82.5 I believe
453.6125
453.7625

458.0625
458.1375
458.3375
458.4375
458.6125
458.7625

Anyone else have these programmed and if so have you heard anything?
I retired from NYSDOT in 2010 , I worked out of Residency 06 aka Nassau South. We had 4 yards , Meadowbrook Rd in N.Merrick , Sunrise Hwy in Freeport , SSP in Valley Stream and RM Causeway in West Islip. We used 47.060 & 47.280. After I retired I listened to them for a few years but haven’t heard anything on these frequencies in years. I’m gonna check out the frequencies you listed. Do you hear much any other times ?
 

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More than likely you are listening to a Low Band to UHF cross band link. In the licenses noted above the UHF frequencies are listed as FX1 (Control Station) and FX2 (Fixed Relay), the UHF channels are not licensed for Mobile units.

We have a cross band link in Westchester County. It is a link between the NYSDOT Yard and the transmitter tower. Both ends have Yagi directional antennas, so it is monitorable only in the local area.
 

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More than likely you are listening to a Low Band to UHF cross band link. In the licenses noted above the UHF frequencies are listed as FX1 (Control Station) and FX2 (Fixed Relay), the UHF channels are not licensed for Mobile units.

We have a cross band link in Westchester County. It is a link between the NYSDOT Yard and the transmitter tower. Both ends have Yagi directional antennas, so it is monitorable only in the local area.
I see that WNFG794 license is over 20 years old. Many years ago the NYDOT got the idea of replacing their remote transmitter site leased lines with UHF links. Equipment was purchased but much of it was never installed at least in my area.

One particularly ridiculous case I was aware of was the tower was in the maintenance yard right behind the Residency dispatch office and there was an exiting on site wire line control (not a telco leased circuit so not recurring cost) to the tower. So the UHF link equipment was purchased but never installed.

It was about in the same era NYSDOT got the ridiculous idea of eliminating skip interference by by offsetting their Low Band frequencies by 10kHz to "new" frequencies between the exiting 20kHz channels. With 20kHz wide signals, this would have traded single co-channel interference for interference from 2 adjacent channels with signals still well within the RX bandwidth. I believe the FCC actually granted some licenses, over the strong objections of the frequency coordinators and other states, but eventually cooler heads prevailed and it was never implemented AFAIK.
 

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I see that WNFG794 license is over 20 years old. Many years ago the NYDOT got the idea of replacing their remote transmitter site leased lines with UHF links. Equipment was purchased but much of it was never installed at least in my area.

One particularly ridiculous case I was aware of was the tower was in the maintenance yard right behind the Residency dispatch office and there was an exiting on site wire line control (not a telco leased circuit so not recurring cost) to the tower. So the UHF link equipment was purchased but never installed.

It was about in the same era NYSDOT got the ridiculous idea of eliminating skip interference by by offsetting their Low Band frequencies by 10kHz to "new" frequencies between the exiting 20kHz channels. With 20kHz wide signals, this would have traded single co-channel interference for interference from 2 adjacent channels with signals still well within the RX bandwidth. I believe the FCC actually granted some licenses, over the strong objections of the frequency coordinators and other states, but eventually cooler heads prevailed and it was never implemented AFAIK.
It wouldn't surprise me if NYDOT eventually abandons the Low VHF as well, pretty much anything public safety related (which I would include a state DOT to be included in that) has now gone to either Hi-VHF or UHF (if they stayed analog). From what I have read there is only one? manufacture left still making low band vhf radios but that's only because of California (CHP) is still using Low VHF for primary operations still to this day. I am not sure if I read that on here or elsewhere.
 

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I’m gonna check out the frequencies you listed. Do you hear much any other times ?
I have most of my stuff set up at the moment to record other things. Getting something set up to exclusivly scan those.


More than likely you are listening to a Low Band to UHF cross band link.
I was monitoring both at the time and was not seeing signs of that. Possible since I am using an 800mhz antenna on this pc that I was not catching the low side.

the UHF channels are not licensed for Mobile units.

On KB41602 ( which is only uhf ) the only class listed is MO. On the other 2 licenses, FX1, FX2
 

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I have most of my stuff set up at the moment to record other things. Getting something set up to exclusivly scan those.



I was monitoring both at the time and was not seeing signs of that. Possible since I am using an 800mhz antenna on this pc that I was not catching the low side.



On KB41602 ( which is only uhf ) the only class listed is MO. On the other 2 licenses, FX1, FX2
In my experience outside of Long Island

FX1 and FX2 from my monitoring are up/downlinks

IF the license only had FX1 generally those I find as Control stations at a Dispatch Center and the FX2 being the downlink instead of a microwave or hardline
 

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In my experience outside of Long Island

FX1 and FX2 from my monitoring are up/downlinks

IF the license only had FX1 generally those I find as Control stations at a Dispatch Center and the FX2 being the downlink instead of a microwave or hardline
When the plan for links was abandoned in some Upstate areas, as I described in my previous post, they started using the licensed frequencies for flagger portables. This was years ago so don't know if still active.
 
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