oakland trunk Switching to Rebanded System tomorrow

[K6CDO]

that's crazy I'm picking up Sac on my Yagi that's pointing west which means I'm getting reflection off the backside of the yagi..

... or a bounce off of something (a steel-framed building with mirrored glass is a possibility) in front of the yagi ...

 

[WayneH]

Does anyone know why when listening with a pro 162 to oaklands analog simulcast on the senica site i am not getting patrol 2 i am hearing pat 1 and 3 without a problem but no patrol 2

It could be patched, which then creates a totally new TG ID.

This is an off-topic question (the topic is about Oakland rebanding) so for future reference please create your own thread. Thanks.

 

[Russreiss]

After listening to the new Oakland P25 frequencies on my PSR-500 for the last couple of days, I'm noticing delays on when the voice comes through and I sometimes do not hear the reply even though the scanner is still stopped on that frequency. I put in all five of the site 202 frequencies just in case the primary channel changes over time. I entered the Talkgroups listed so far, plus a Wild channel to receive the rest. The system type I'm set for is P25 Auto. Since this new system is rebanded, does anybody know if I need to also create a Custom Table?

Russel

 

[WayneH]

No, custom tables are for the older Motorola 3600 systems. True P25 trunked systems do not require any programming differences for handling rebanding.

 

[Russreiss]

Thanks Wayne. I noticed default tables in Win500 for P25 700 Mhz, P25 800 Mhz, and P25 900 Mhz, so I thought they were needed.

Russel

 

[rstrose]

Edacs simulcast gone. Cc scan. Moment of silence please.

 

[tom4]

Nooooooooooooo

 

[inigo88]

RIP Oakland EDACS. You had a good run.

 

[Ben96cal]

shoot shoot shoot...

 

[tom4]

Edacs simulcast gone. Cc scan. Moment of silence please.

this is For those of us that can't afford a digital scanner yet i was manually searching 851 - 854 when i heard oaklands edacs traffic have not had time to get everything yet but so far i got 853.1750 ,853.7,852.7,851.4500 so its not dead yet just rebanded

 

[Ben96cal]

Does anyone have the TG #'s to the new system for OFD? They aren't in the database.

 

[inigo88]

this is For those of us that can't afford a digital scanner yet i was manually searching 851 - 854 when i heard oaklands edacs traffic have not had time to get everything yet but so far i got 853.1750 ,853.7,852.7,851.4500 so its not dead yet just rebanded

Ok everyone lets not condemn the EDACS system to death just yet until we have some concrete information. There is a lot of confusion in this thread and the only way anyone is going to get any real answers about any of these systems is to run some software on them with a discriminator tapped scanner, do the detective work and figure it out.

Regarding sorting out the new rebanded frequencies, I recommend using a discriminator tapped scanner and Unitrunker. Unitrunker will show talkgroups in use on unknown LCNs with frequency "0.000." You'll have to manually park a second scanner on one of the rebanded frequencies, and watch Unitrunker and match the conversation you hear when it becomes active with an active talkgroup on screen. This just takes practice and a familiarity with the system to know the talkgroup by context (for instance Patrol 1 would be addresses in West Oakland & Downtown, Patrol 2 is Central and Patrol 3 is East Oakland... Oakland Fire dispatches go out on OFD Ch 1, etc). This is the quickest and easiest way to find the new LCN order of the rebanded frequencies!

As for the P25 system, there are 3 sites but only the downtown site has really been posted about. I know there is a good chunk of bay area scanner listeners with Pro-96, Pro-106 or PSR-500s and the PC programming cable. Any one of you can run the Pro-96com program and collect definitive system information right from the source (the control channel!). I know there's a log file posted for site 202, but I'd be interested if someone has found site 101 (the site I originally found last year pre-rebanding while the system was still being tested) or 303 (likely the new Seneca Site) and generated logs yet? Keep those logs coming in this thread!

I wish I could help, but I live in socal now and will have to spectate on this one. So "good luck gentleman, we're all counting on you."

 

[Ben96cal]

re: oakland trunk Sites

I decided to look at the ULS database and this is what it lists for rebanded freq's...

(1)Broadway
Frequency Loc# Ant# Freq
ID Station
Class Units Paging
Rec. Output
Power Maximum
ERP
000851.17500000 1 1 14 FB2 1 100.000 190.000
000851.45000000 1 1 15 FB2 1 100.000 190.000
000851.66250000 1 1 16 FB2 1 100.000 190.000
000851.71250000 1 1 28 FB2 1 100.000 190.000
000852.11250000 1 1 17 FB2 1 20.000 19.000
000852.13750000 1 1 18 FB2 1 100.000 190.000
000852.28750000 1 1 19 FB2 1 100.000 190.000
000852.70000000 1 1 30 FB2 1 100.000 190.000
000852.70000000 1 1 25 FB2C 1 20.000 19.000
000852.72500000 1 1 20 FB2 1 20.000 19.000
000852.88750000 1 1 23 FB2 1 100.000 190.000
000853.17500000 1 1 21 FB2 1 100.000 190.000
000853.20000000 1 1 24 FB2 1 20.000 19.000
000853.33750000 1 1 26 FB2 1 100.000 190.000
000853.46250000 1 1 22 FB2 1 20.000 19.000
000853.70000000 1 1 29 FB2 1 100.000 190.000
000853.83750000 1 1 27 FB2 1 100.000 190.000

Frequency Loc# Ant# Freq
ID Station
Class Units Paging
Rec. Output
Power Maximum
ERP
(2) Seneca
000851.17500000 2 1 15 FB2 1 100.000 331.000
000851.45000000 2 1 24 FB2 1 100.000 331.000
000851.66250000 2 1 23 FB2 1 100.000 331.000
000851.71250000 2 1 7 FB2 1 100.000 331.000
000851.78750000 2 1 8 FB2 1 100.000 331.000
000852.13750000 2 1 12 FB2 1 100.000 331.000
000852.13750000 2 1 21 FB2 1 100.000 331.000
000852.28750000 2 1 16 FB2 1 100.000 331.000
000852.70000000 2 1 22 FB2 1 100.000 331.000
000852.72500000 2 1 13 FB2 1 100.000 331.000
000852.88750000 2 1 17 FB2 1 100.000 331.000
000853.17500000 2 1 20 FB2 1 100.000 331.000
000853.20000000 2 1 14 FB2 1 100.000 331.000
000853.33750000 2 1 9 FB2 1 100.000 331.000
000853.70000000 2 1 10 FB2 1 100.000 331.000
000853.83750000 2 1 11 FB2 1 100.000 331.000
000854.18750000 2 1 18 FB2 1 100.000 331.000
000854.26250000 2 1 6 FB2C 1 100.000 331.000
000854.41250000 2 1 19 FB2 1 100.000 331.000
(5) Gwin
Frequency Loc# Ant# Freq
ID Station
Class Units Paging
Rec. Output
Power Maximum
ERP
000851.78750000 5 1 1 FB2 1 100.000 25.000
000852.72500000 5 1 4 FB2 1 100.000 25.000
000853.20000000 5 1 5 FB2 1 100.000 25.000
000853.46250000 5 1 2 FB2 1 100.000 25.000
000854.26250000 5 1 3 FB2 1 100.000 25.000
(6)4615 GRASS VALLEY ROAD, Oakland, Ca
Frequency Loc# Ant# Freq
ID Station
Class Units Paging
Rec. Output
Power Maximum
ERP
000852.11250000 6 1 1 FB2 1 100.000 300.000

 

[officer_415]

Rebanded Frequencies

I put all of Oakland's rebanded frequencies into my scanner, and found the Site 001 (APL) control channel on 851.6625, and the Site 002 (Seneca) control channel on 853.2000. I don't have unitrunker, but maybe someone who does can determine the new LCNs. The rebanded Oakland frequencies are as follows:

851.1750
851.4500
851.6625
851.7125
851.7875
852.1125
852.1375
852.2875
852.7000
852.7250
852.8875
853.1750
853.2000
853.3375
853.4625
853.7000
853.8375

 

[kma371]

Does anyone have the TG #'s to the new system for OFD? They aren't in the database.

Uh, yes they are.

 

[Radiobern]

Using Unitrunker on my PSR-500 and listening on m Pro-97, I have verified the LCN for site 1:

LCN 1: 851.45
LCN 2: 851.6625 (current control channel)
LCN 4: 852.7
LCN 5: 853.175
LCN 6; 853.7

I have already submitted these to the database.

 

[officer_415]

Using Unitrunker on my PSR-500 and listening on m Pro-97, I have verified the LCN for site 1:

LCN 1: 851.45
LCN 2: 851.6625 (current control channel)
LCN 4: 852.7
LCN 5: 853.175
LCN 6; 853.7

I have already submitted these to the database.

Using trial-and-error, I came up with the same results. The bad news is the talkgroup IDs appear to have changed. The new Patrol 1 through Patrol 5 appear to be 12-021 through 12-025, respectively.

 

[inigo88]

Wow great work guys!!!
The AFS talkgroups beginning with 12-xxx used to be reserved for OPD patches on the old system. I guess it remains to be seen whether these are patches between he systems or just brand new talkgroups. I'm guessing they changed the talkgroups since they did the same for the P25 system when rebanding the freqs. I bet a LOT of system equipment got shuffled around in the process!

I forgot to mention the old method (which also worked for mapping LTR), where you use two scanners and program one of them with one of the freqs in every LCN slot (1-20) and wait for which LCN it shows up as. The only problem with this method is you could potentially mix site 1 and Seneca site frequencies together on accident.

 

[Ben96cal]

re: oakland

Uh, yes they are.

Last time I check there were only 3 tg's.. Oakland on the edacs system had way more.

 

[kma371]

Wirelessly posted (iPhone 3GS: BlackBerry8310/4.5.0.182 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/102)

Does anyone have the TG #'s to the new system for OFD? They aren't in the database.

Uh, yes they are.

Well in your post you implied there weren't any. The confirmed ones are listed.