Official Fire Tone-Out Discussion

[ScannerDude244]

Ok Quick call 2 chart ahh I see it now. But how did you get the PL tone out of the sound file? I would like to know how you did this.There are some other tones I would like to do as well.btw pro92b thanks for helping me out.

 

[pro92b]

The PL tone shows up in Cool Edit's spectral display just like the QC tones do.

 

[patrolman123]

can some help me

Im trying to determine the freq on this warble. It is from the Baltimore City fire dept.
I ran it thru a tuner but I dont know what chart to use to figure out the exact freq.

 

[scootz]

I believe that the warble tone for Motorola is 1500 Hz and 900 Hz with a .25 second burst of each if I am able to read my notes here correctly. Hope that this helps.

 

[patrolman123]

Help

Still looking for some more thoughts on the warble tone I included in my prev post.

Also I would like to know if I want to lock out a tone in the 396 under the stanby feature. How do I do this. If at all???????

 

[N9JIG]

Still looking for some more thoughts on the warble tone I included in my prev post.

Well, for one the 396 won't alert on this set of tones. They are only there as a noise maker for use after a set of tones or some other form of alert. Different companies used different sort of beeps, tones or squaks. Some even use fast DTMF sets, such as our ModuCom console, just alternated the 1 and 9 for a few sets.

Also I would like to know if I want to lock out a tone in the 396 under the stanby feature. How do I do this. If at all???????

The easiest way would be to change either the frequency or mode (FM/NFM/Auto). Since for the 396 to monitor more than 1 set of tones the frequency and mode must be exactly the same the way to "lockout" a tone set is to change a parameter that causes the 396 to bypass it.

 

[dimab]

is there a technical or software limitation as to why the scanner can't be in scan mode and decode the fire-tone out codes?
just seems to make so much sense to have both at the same time.
for my tones, i don't think timing matters, as I have toneA set to 0.0 and no timing, and ToneB to the correct freq. and any timing will work. hopefully scan and fire-tone can be inclucded in a later update

 

[N9JIG]

Tone out mode and scan mode are incompatible as the receiver must be on channel during the whole tone sequence in order to decode it. Unless there was a separate dedicated receiver for each channel with tone out sequences programmed the radio would likley miss at least part of the tones, thus not open for the message.

The 396 allows one to program up to 10 sets of tones on a single channel. Due to the above unavoidable limitations it can not monitor for tone outs on more than one at a time. You can PROGRAM multiple freqs with tone sets but the radio will only monitor those on the selected frequency.

 

[dimab]

Tone out mode and scan mode are incompatible as the receiver must be on channel during the whole tone sequence in order to decode it. Unless there was a separate dedicated receiver for each channel with tone out sequences programmed the radio would likley miss at least part of the tones, thus not open for the message.

according to butel, frimware above 1.06 does not require a tone length. if this is the case, the scanner can decode the tone just by the Hz that it's set to.

 

[Al42]

But it still has to be on the channel long enough to hear both tones in the proper sequence, so it can't be scanning. Same reason we can't have priority on trunked systems. Data streams are only good if we receive the entire stream - which is 2 elements in the case of a tone-out.

 

[dimab]

But it still has to be on the channel long enough to hear both tones in the proper sequence, so it can't be scanning. Same reason we can't have priority on trunked systems. Data streams are only good if we receive the entire stream - which is 2 elements in the case of a tone-out.

I should have made myself clearer in the previous post.
My pager system only has one tone. the Hz is programmed in ToneB slot, and ToneA is blank, and this works.

 

[ResQguy]

I admit it would be nice to scan and decode quick-call, it should be noted that although the Minitor 3,4&5 can scan in the 2 channel models, Motorola does not reccomend that feature being used due to possible missed alerts.

 

[dimab]

I admit it would be nice to scan and decode quick-call

is quick-call the type of paing system that i'm referring to?? where there is only one tone, not both?

 

[scannermaster2006]

wat is a cap code, this was included with the papers i got from a local programing store- they sent me code 1-116code 2- 111 cap- 61, wat does this mean?

 

[ScannerDude244]

The PL tone shows up in Cool Edit's spectral display just like the QC tones do.

OK got it i'm getting better at it.

 

[patrolman123]

two different channels

I just realized that the 396 will not monitor two different freq when in tone out standby. Is this correct????? Or have I done something wrong?.....?

 

[kikito]

I just realized that the 396 will not monitor two different freq when in tone out standby. Is this correct????? Or have I done something wrong?.....?

You're correct. I'll monitor up to ten different code combos for the same frequency but not across different freqs.

 

[N9JIG]

Answering a couple questions at once...

A long single tone is used by several manufacturers of tone alerting equipment, including Motorola. It is usually used as a group call, where several different pager sets will have a common tone. When this common tone is sent for a longer period of time (such as 8 seconds) it alerts all pagers in the group, even though they have different codes for the other tone. Example: Station 1 uses tones A and B, Station 2 uses tones C and B, and station 3 uses tones D and B. When tone B is sent for 8 seconds it alerts all 3 stations at once.

Cap Codes are a coded number or letter set used to identify the group and individual tones used on a pager. For example, a Motorola Cap Code of 336 tells us that the tones come from a specific group and uses tones 3 and 6 of that group.

As for the 396 and multiple freqs with programmed tone sets, the 396 will only monitor tones on ONE frequency at a time. If you have all 10 slots filled, with 5 tone sets on 154.430, 3 on 154.205 and 2 on 33.70 then the radio will monitor any tone sets on the same freq as selected when you select Toneout mode. So if you select a tone set on 154.430, it will actually monitor all 5 tones programmed on 154.430. (This also requires the mode to be the same/ NFM, FM, Auto.)

 

[scannermaster2006]

i have the 330t, and ive put in the tone values, and it still doesnt set off

 

[pacrat551]

Sorry if this as been previously asked. I did a search and didn't find anything on it. Is it possible to select a talkgroups on a trunked system as the Rx to decode tones? I know there hasn't been anyone able to do it yet, but if it could, this would open up a whole new world for trunked radio users. I'm looking at getting a 396t in the near future and I manage a trunked radio system in which I have tones that simulcast on our VHF page out frequency as well as our primary talkgroup on the trunked system


Thanks