Oklahoma FBI Freqs
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Secret_Squirrel
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There are some agencies that have radios capable of operating on frequencies in the federal band, and I know of more than one agency in Northeast Oklahoma that operates on the spectrum that you normally find federal government users on.
My guess is the average listener who hears radio traffic "in the clear" on a frequency normally assigned to a federal agency, automatically ASSUMES that it is some entity of the FEDERAL government they are hearing. I am saying that if that's what the average listener is assuming, that they may be incorrect.
ecps92
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Yes, there are agencies allowed to use [it's called INTEROP"] various Federal Agency frequencies. Hence they are a Federal Frequency and listed correctly. Your initial message was read as "Non Federal Agencies being assigned a Federal Frequency for Local Ops", and unless you can cite any specifics.......[Me thinks we have another Troll, is it hunting time]
There are some agencies that have radios capable of operating on frequencies in the federal band, and I know of more than one agency in Northeast Oklahoma that operates on the spectrum that you normally find federal government users on.
My guess is the average listener who hears radio traffic "in the clear" on a frequency normally assigned to a federal agency, automatically ASSUMES that it is some entity of the FEDERAL government they are hearing. I am saying that if that's what the average listener is assuming, that they may be incorrect.
It happens all the time. Agencies just program them in and go. I'm not saying it's legal or moral or any of that jazz but it happens and 99.9% of the time nobody cares. Why? Because the Feds have an enormous block of spectrum and use maybe a mere fraction of a percent at any given point. Google FBI frequencies. The NTIA basically said, "here take almost everything from 162-174 and have fun". It's crazy.
Secret_Squirrel
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Really? So unless I can tell you exactly who is using which particular frequency in what particular location, in your mind, I am a troll? Even though I've been around here for years....with hundreds of posts?
You sir, make me laugh.
How about you stick your nose in some of the threads "back east" and leave those of us here in the red states alone?
Let's put this thing in perspective and move on. We're listening to a network of FBI repeaters. How do we know?
1) They are on common FBI frequencies (163, 167, 170 MHz).
2) They use an FBI PL tone (167.9 PL).
3) They use a common input on several repeaters (an FBI practice).
4) They identified one repeater as "A-1", an FBI channel structure.
5) They discussed the US Attorney's office.
6) They conduct surveillance at all hours of the day and night.
7) They use DES encryption on the same frequencies.
8) They use FBI terminology on the radio.
9) They discuss districts and offices that match FBI offices.
10) They coordinate their operations with local police departments.
Also keep in mind that Oklahoma is not really high on the federal government's Radio Updating Plan, so these repeaters are probably 20 years old. There is no doubt that this is an FBI radio network. So rather than try to criticize and come up with every other possibility of what it might be, let's just face the facts and enjoy what it is while we still can. The only reason that they are even operating "in the clear," it seems, is because of problems operating "coded." So they have the ability to operate both ways. I'm all for monitoring them until they go P25 encrypted.
1) They are on common FBI frequencies (163, 167, 170 MHz).
2) They use an FBI PL tone (167.9 PL).
3) They use a common input on several repeaters (an FBI practice).
4) They identified one repeater as "A-1", an FBI channel structure.
5) They discussed the US Attorney's office.
6) They conduct surveillance at all hours of the day and night.
7) They use DES encryption on the same frequencies.
8) They use FBI terminology on the radio.
9) They discuss districts and offices that match FBI offices.
10) They coordinate their operations with local police departments.
Also keep in mind that Oklahoma is not really high on the federal government's Radio Updating Plan, so these repeaters are probably 20 years old. There is no doubt that this is an FBI radio network. So rather than try to criticize and come up with every other possibility of what it might be, let's just face the facts and enjoy what it is while we still can. The only reason that they are even operating "in the clear," it seems, is because of problems operating "coded." So they have the ability to operate both ways. I'm all for monitoring them until they go P25 encrypted.
ecps92
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Thank You, in my travels, I still find much of the FEDCOM in the clear, reguardless of the Nay-Saying that occurs. Even on many of the major raids they routinely are in the clear. It does make for some great monitoring, even if it takes months to make the news
Lets hope they only go P25
Lets hope they only go P25
After reviewing some things, I've now come to the conclusion that what I heard in Stillwater on 170.625 was actually NOT from the Stillwater area. I know I said it with such confidence, but give me a little credit that this system is not the easiest thing to figure out. Anyway, it really was the OKC repeater hitting strong into the Stillwater area and the fact that I was three stories up and using a good antenna, much like how I can hear the Ardmore repeater from OKC. So this now identifies 170.625 as the A1 repeater, giving us the first confirmed local channel.
peterjmag
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No problem Gil! Glad you have taken the interest in scanning the Feds. I will continue to scan that part of the band and see what I can find. Keep up the good work!
rankin39
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It's possible that the feds work with locals on particular projects in NE OK. There is (or was back in the '70s and '80s) a US Border Patrol post in Miami, OK. I used to eat lunch in Woody's Cafe right near it and watched the green cars come and go. They patroled I-44 for carloads of illegals headed for St. Louis, Chicago and points east and may share some radios with the local SO, etc. I can't say that I ever heard any locals using fed channel assignments there though. BP was good old 163.625 mostly back then.
Bob, W0NXN
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