*OLD* MARCS Shutdown Discussion

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mtindor

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Mike, Heard 55264 TG and A unit was out at Beaver State park talking to Lisbon. I'm hearing this off the Mingo site as most things from OSP I get from Mingo. Its the catch all. I'll post the id numbers it you want them

Hi Russ.

It's the "new" Post 15 Lisbon talkgroup. It and 55292 (P15TAC). No idea why they switched it up, but for nearly the past week I've heard them communicating on 55264. It actually shows up in Unitrunker as digital crosspatch. On a rare occasion I hear Lisbon on their old talkgroup, but 99% of the time they are on 55264.

If you notice, you'll even hear the cars call in to "Lisbon".

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I have been hearing the same unlisted medical transport talkgroup off the Kirkwood Tower recently.. Just five minutes ago I finally heard someone actually call into "medcom" and he then proceded to give to them, a very detailed beginning of shift report for his particular unit.
The Talkgroup is 11008 and when looking at the MARCS database that TG number comes at the end of an uninterrupted block of Medflight TG's but I have yet to hear any indicators to confirm that the mode of transport here is in fact aircraft or if it is a ground service TG...
 

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I have been hearing traffic on 11008 lately as well. I did make out some that was to Hocking Valley ER
 

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Tg-25296

I have spent the past few days with family just East of Toledo for thanksgiving and have been noticing almost constant police radio traffic on TG25296. This TG is not in the DB. Does anyone know who it is? I have heard a range of PD traffic on this TG that is mainly occurring in the area of the I475/I75/US23 exchange on the south/southeast edge of the city. Maybe this is a simulcast of something on the NW Ohio P25 system?
jpadley85...you are correct on that one, it is all Lucas County P-25 system. I have a wild card in my MARCS only template and it always picks up the LCPSS on TG25296, the question is why? You are right it is not listed in the DB. We need jprior to respond on this one, or any one who has any info on this. This is just crazy.
 

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Do you have access to another scanner a you can set to Lucas Co's system? That would confirm if you are hearing a patch.
 

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Do you have access to another scanner a you can set to Lucas Co's system? That would confirm if you are hearing a patch.

I did not when I posted the first question, but just purchased a 996xt for my car, so the next time I am back in the area I will try to narrow it down. It's just nice to FINALLY get a reply and some confirmation that the traffic on that tg is coming from the new P25 system.
I will post again the next time I am in the area and can figure out what it is.
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P-25 Patch

jpadely...I have confirmed it is a patch, after monitoring it for a full 24 hrs this is what i learned. It is only three talk-groups, all dispatch, TPD Central Dispatch, TPD South, & Lucas County Sheriff Dispatch. The MARCS Freq being used are 866.88750 =C 868.26250=A 867.31250=A and 866.83750.

I must say it is so nice to finally be able to listen to them with out having to deal with the simulcast multipath distortion of a P-25 system, 3600 baud and one tower is great...lol NO MORE BREAKING UP!
 

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jpadely...I have confirmed it is a patch, after monitoring it for a full 24 hrs this is what i learned. It is only three talk-groups, all dispatch, TPD Central Dispatch, TPD South, & Lucas County Sheriff Dispatch. The MARCS Freq being used are 866.88750 =C 868.26250=A 867.31250=A and 866.83750.

I must say it is so nice to finally be able to listen to them with out having to deal with the simulcast multipath distortion of a P-25 system, 3600 baud and one tower is great...lol NO MORE BREAKING UP!

Don't count on it lasting for very long; permanent patches are against MARCS policy, and they're very strict about enforcing the policy. They're probably there for something temporary such as a task force operation or other special purpose, and will be discontinued once it's over.
 

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What are they saying? Any identifying unit numbers, road names, etc?
 

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tg 38912 - some type of law enforcement

tg 14256 - Possible Community Ambulance

Monitored in Zanesville
 

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Actually, this isn't in the database. NCI West is (50752), but not NCI East.

I just added it to the DB.

Mike

I thought it use to be, but I have not looked at the data base that close for a while. NCI use's several TG's which I have monitored ever since I got my first Digital a few years back. 50752 is NCI TAC West, 48400 is NCI Maint, 48416 is NCI Dispatch, 50832 is NCI Control Center. I use to hear NCI Maint on 50800 but not lately.
 

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I thought it use to be, but I have not looked at the data base that close for a while. NCI use's several TG's which I have monitored ever since I got my first Digital a few years back. 50752 is NCI TAC West, 48400 is NCI Maint, 48416 is NCI Dispatch, 50832 is NCI Control Center. I use to hear NCI Maint on 50800 but not lately.

Thank you. That's very helpful. I updated the DB with the descriptions you've provided!

Mike
 

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Don't count on it lasting for very long; permanent patches are against MARCS policy, and they're very strict about enforcing the policy. They're probably there for something temporary such as a task force operation or other special purpose, and will be discontinued once it's over.

This TPD-LCS patch does appear to completely violate the Ohio MARCS Radio Patching Policy (MPP-22.0) unless somebody had received express written permission or otherwise approved. This patch has been active since the end of September and is constantly up. But besides almost consistently typing up one of five available voice repeaters off the Toledo site, there does not look to be much other benefit. The only activity I have seen with Trunker affiliation data over the past 3-4 months is about 25 affiliations to that talk group from various OSHP Post 48 and 87 cars and portables. It looks to correlate with the increased OSHP patrols within the Toledo city area. This is definitely only in place to allow OSHP units to monitor Toledo Police and Lucas County Sheriff traffic as the radio is scanning multiple talk groups from the NW Ohio system. There has been no evidence in any two way communication across this patch.

It is probably at the point where we can list in the DB, like "TPD-LCS I/O" Toledo Police/Lucas Sheriff Interop Patch barring no other official confirmation/designation. The talk group falls into a group of generally unknown and unconfirmed local/county channels, and the radio ID in use is from within an block of previously known OSHP District 8/Wilmington radios.
 

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It's very likely a pre-arranged patch for OSP; I suspect their radios are not set up for the NEO system, and won't be until they get set up for MARCS-IP. This patch is probably an interim solution until MARCS-IP is built out, but it's still most likely a temporary situation.

Tom

This TPD-LCS patch does appear to completely violate the Ohio MARCS Radio Patching Policy (MPP-22.0) unless somebody had received express written permission or otherwise approved. This patch has been active since the end of September and is constantly up. But besides almost consistently typing up one of five available voice repeaters off the Toledo site, there does not look to be much other benefit. The only activity I have seen with Trunker affiliation data over the past 3-4 months is about 25 affiliations to that talk group from various OSHP Post 48 and 87 cars and portables. It looks to correlate with the increased OSHP patrols within the Toledo city area. This is definitely only in place to allow OSHP units to monitor Toledo Police and Lucas County Sheriff traffic as the radio is scanning multiple talk groups from the NW Ohio system. There has been no evidence in any two way communication across this patch.

It is probably at the point where we can list in the DB, like "TPD-LCS I/O" Toledo Police/Lucas Sheriff Interop Patch barring no other official confirmation/designation. The talk group falls into a group of generally unknown and unconfirmed local/county channels, and the radio ID in use is from within an block of previously known OSHP District 8/Wilmington radios.
 
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