OLD SAFE-T Discussion Threads (2005-2012)

[justdmbobbo]

Testing going on tonight on the Indy Gov. Center tower
Channel 63808

"Testing...1, 2, 3, 4, 5.......etc."

Was talking about doing some "Newport channels"

 

[justdmbobbo]

How many signal bars are you getting when you monitor the Indy tower? Which antenna are you using?

Your issue may be related to terrain or antenna. .

Make sure your digital decode settings are adjusted too. The link to that escapes me right now. Someone else can probably point you in the right direction. Though if the capitol tower is OK your settings may be OK then.

GTO_04

Sorry I haven't gotten a chance to reply to this........

I'm located downtown/downtown.......might have something to do with the downtown buildings/terrain.

Like I said, the capital center tower comes in with full signal and crystal clear, but VERY VERY low signal if not any on the Indy tower.....weird cause I can get the Greenwood and Danville towers in better than the Indy main tower.

 

[Viper43]

sounds to me like your being blocked by buildings.

V

 

[dwh367]

Isp T/a

The ISP T/A frequency (855.2375/PL 192.8) in my area (Perry County) has been replaced by a control channel for a Motorola Type II trunked system. I get a good strong signal on it but not enough to decode the system designator. I am also not hearing any traffic on it. I looked in the FCC database for my county and I cannot find a licensee for this frequency.

The Branchville Training Center (DOC) uses a Motorola type II trunked system on 856.2375, 857.2375 and 858.2375. I noticed I was no longer receiving their control channel at the same time a control channel became active on 855.2375. (I could hear their old control channel also but am too far way to decode it.)

Kind of makes me wonder if they needed another frequency and added it and are now using it for their control channel so all 3 of the previous channels are available for assignment rather than just the 2 of them that they originally had.

The strange thing is if it is the Branchville Training Center that put their control channel on this frequency, what hapenned with the frequency coordination that it landed on the ISP T/A frequency? Also I find it strange that there is no record of it on file with the FCC.

Anyone else experiencing anything like this in their area?

David H.

 

[DiGiTaLD]

Moto-4d

Testing going on tonight on the Indy Gov. Center tower
Channel 63808

"Testing...1, 2, 3, 4, 5.......etc."

Was talking about doing some "Newport channels"

That's MOTO-4D, one of the Motorola technician talkgroups. They can pop up on any site depending on where they're working at. They've done lots of testing over the last several weeks on 4D and 6D, but I don't think I've never heard anything on 5D. Also heard some analog testing on MOTO-1A last week.

Is there someplace that tells what the different uses are for like ops 1-3 channels and things like that.

They are used for car-to-car, special details, etc., in each district. For instance, today there will probably be one of the ISP-52-OPS channels used for the race detail. ISP-52-OPS3 has been used in recent weeks for the Super 70 project, and at times is patched to S1-T15 on the Indianapolis-Marion County MECA 1 system.

 

[jerk]

The ISP T/A frequency (855.2375/PL 192.8) in my area (Perry County) has been replaced by a control channel for a Motorola Type II trunked system. I get a good strong signal on it but not enough to decode the system designator. I am also not hearing any traffic on it. I looked in the FCC database for my county and I cannot find a licensee for this frequency.
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The strange thing is if it is the Branchville Training Center that put their control channel on this frequency, what hapenned with the frequency coordination that it landed on the ISP T/A frequency? Also I find it strange that there is no record of it on file with the FCC.

Anyone else experiencing anything like this in their area?
David H.

Could this be coming in from Kentucky, they would use a different coordinator who may or may not care about Indiana. Happens all the time in my area, hear Kentucky well into Indiana, and vice versa. APCO needs better frequency coordination. Henryville has their own repeater, but should/could go on Safe-t
AL

 

[Choffa]

I had some traffic on the talkgroup 31054 and was just curious if anyone knew what it was used for, I am in Clark County, Indiana and just wondering if anyone knew if it was something that maybe a local PD near me was using.

Thanks.

 

[melissab]

I need BIG help!!!

I work for a newspaper and when our city police department switched over to Project Hoosier Safe-T, our scanner went silent. We bought an 800 MHz scanner and entered in the frequenicies our police department is supposedly using, but I still cannot pull in consistent radio traffic. We need to get this figured out as soon as possible. Would someone feel like talking to me about this?

Please feel free to e-mail me at mbatka@etruth.com or call (574) 296-5930.

THANK YOU!

 

[jerk]

I work for a newspaper and when our city police department switched over to Project Hoosier Safe-T, our scanner went silent. We bought an 800 MHz scanner and entered in the frequenicies our police department is supposedly using, but I still cannot pull in consistent radio traffic. We need to get this figured out as soon as possible. Would someone feel like talking to me about this?

Please feel free to e-mail me at mbatka@etruth.com or call (574) 296-5930.

THANK YOU!

What type of scanner? It needs to be a digital model, and also what city, I'm sure someone here could send a file or help you but more information is needed.

AL

 

[DiGiTaLD]

Johnson County, Bartholomew County, and Columbus PD were doing some kind of mutual aid operation on SW-MA2 yesterday afternoon. Not quite sure what it was. Did anybody catch it?

 

[mlynch205]

Johnson County, Bartholomew County, and Columbus PD were doing some kind of mutual aid operation on SW-MA2 yesterday afternoon. Not quite sure what it was. Did anybody catch it?

The dispatch center took a lighning strike and went down. Johnson county was getting all the 911 calls and were also dispatching columbus pd and bartholomew co. sheriff on SW-MA2. Johnson co was using SW-MA3 to contact one of the vol. fire depts so they could dispatch the bartholomew county and city fire stations.

 

[N9AWO]

The Uniden scanners, and this happens to be a very long ongoing discussion over at the 396 yahoo group, Only evaluate the first control channel in a bank. If you have more than one, it will not see it.

So does this mean that if I load the primary as well as the secondary control frequencies that the 396 will never see the secondary frequency if they use it? I have both primary and secondary loaded ( primary first and then secondary) in each System I have programmed.

 

[scannerfreak]

So does this mean that if I load the primary as well as the secondary control frequencies that the 396 will never see the secondary frequency if they use it? I have both primary and secondary loaded ( primary first and then secondary) in each System I have programmed.

No, because they both will not be active at the same time. It will know which one is.

 

[N9AWO]

No, because they both will not be active at the same time. It will know which one is.

Thanks. That's good to know. I thought that was the way it worked, but after reading the other post I started to wonder.

 

[DiGiTaLD]

Current System Statistics

http://www.in.gov/ipsc/safe-t/update/stats.html

 

[jerk]

http://www.in.gov/ipsc/safe-t/update/stats.html

And the annual report makes great reading on the same site. Plus it explains terms and such and is interactive. Pretty good stuff for an Indiana government site.

AL

 

[Viper43]

I find it very interesting that there is no mention at all about those sectors that have been complete failures such as Hancock Co where the system only works in sections of the county. the last report I had was "maybe 50% coverage". The system fails to operate at all in major areas of the county including one location right in Greenfield where it is needed. Officers in McCordsville and Fortville have a tough time hitting the Fortville repeater and some areas of the SE and SW of the county have zero service.
No news though about what is or will be done to fix the system, and many would like to know something as the new county wide dispatch center comes up for votes on the 12th of this month (a week from today).

V

 

[DiGiTaLD]

Hancock County

I find it very interesting that there is no mention at all about those sectors that have been complete failures such as Hancock Co where the system only works in sections of the county. the last report I had was "maybe 50% coverage". The system fails to operate at all in major areas of the county including one location right in Greenfield where it is needed. Officers in McCordsville and Fortville have a tough time hitting the Fortville repeater and some areas of the SE and SW of the county have zero service.
No news though about what is or will be done to fix the system, and many would like to know something as the new county wide dispatch center comes up for votes on the 12th of this month (a week from today).

According to the map and the database, there is no site in Fortville.

What are they using, portables in the cars and no mobiles? This could account for a lot of the bad coverage. A portable is not designed to work well inside the steel body of a car. Too much shielding. Convert-a-coms, you say? I don't know a single officer who is going to get his radio off his duty belt each time he gets in the car and put it in the Convert-a-com, and do the opposite each time he gets out. Its not convenient or tactically sound.

There is a site at Pendleton at ISP 51, Greenfield, and Indy east side (at ISP 52). These probably handle most of the Hancock County traffic. I don't see how coverage could be that horrible on a mobile. I'm sure it has it's bad spots but it has to be better than 50%. I could see how the SW and SE areas of the county could be a little rough, but on a mobile I would think they'd be fine. Maybe on the portable wouldn't be so great depending on where you are, though.

Really the only answer would be to put up more sites. When the system was just getting started, the only site in Johnson County was Franklin, and the next nearest sites were Mooresville and the Indy sites. This left the Greenwood area pretty much in the hole, especially with their portables in the cars, and resulted in the installation of the Greenwood site at 135 and Main St. Coverage in the Greenwood area is now great. To solve a similar coverage problem, another site was put up in the Edinburgh area to cover the southern area of the county.

More sites are what its gonna take, especially if they're using just portables in the car.

 

[Viper43]

I'm not sure the exact setup they have. I know the cars have MDT's which they do use and constantly have problems with, Greenfield as well has trouble with the terminals. They also use data paging for dispatch and info. It seems though for voice they may only have the portables, but whether they have mobiles I haven't seen any. I know none of the departments has enough portables to equip all the officers and the when they were using the system some officers didn't have the 800 portables.
As for the Fortville site, I know nothing is listed but the now former chief said they had trouble with it and McCordsville's units couldn't hit it....so it must be hiding there somewhere. I wonder though if it the tower up the street from me or one that appeared a couple months ago when these issues first popped up. They only used the sysytem for two weeks before pulling all the portables. Since then they used them at the fair and even right in Greenfield had issues at the fairgrounds. Occasionally they will use it and on rare occasions they use it in encrypted mode.
I do know it worked well for New Palestine PD but they too went back to the old sysytem, most likely because it's easier for the dispatchers. The weird thing is I could hear the portables when the dispatch center couldn't.

V

 

[dwh367]

Could this be coming in from Kentucky, they would use a different coordinator who may or may not care about Indiana. Happens all the time in my area, hear Kentucky well into Indiana, and vice versa. APCO needs better frequency coordination. Henryville has their own repeater, but should/could go on Safe-t
AL

After doing a little more research, this appears to possibly be an MDT frequency, or something of that nature, rather than a type II sytem as I first thought. It has a very strong signal on both my Pro-2096 and my Pro-97 but ever since my last post, I still haven't been able to get a system number from it (which is why I now think it is probably used for MDT) nor have I heard any voice communications.

I also did a FCC database lookup on Kentucky and was also unable to find a match anywhere near my location. At this point, I have given up on it and removed the frequency from my scanner since I won't be able to hear ISP on it anyway. Thanks for your input though!

David H.