OneVoice MotoTRBO Connect Plus Net 171

[DaveNF2G]

I am beginning to suspect that Site 91 is located on Mount Equinox in Vermont. I will look for Site 80 today.

BTW, I tried to submit the neighbor list via the submission ticket, but got "access denied" when I used the link in the email (before the submission was closed out).

 

[GTR8000]

BTW, I tried to submit the neighbor list via the submission ticket, but got "access denied" when I used the link in the email (before the submission was closed out).

Okay, I'll ask Lindsay to look into that, thanks.

 

[DaveNF2G]

I have to agree with GTR8000 that Site 91 is likely to be somewhere in Saratoga County, if not on Bald Mountain in Rensselaer County. Figuring out likely locations is going to take some time in the ULS as these Part 22 licenses don't show transmitter sites. I will be digging out all of Central Vermont's paging sites for a starting point.

Site 91 shows Site 97 as a neighbor. Does anyone have any suspected frequencies for that site?

BTW, I looked at the OneVoice wiki page and it needs some updating. I'm not familiar enough with parts of this system to start messing around, but I noticed that several sites with determined locations are still listed as "unknown" there.

 

[pro92b]

Site 91 is barely above the noise here but after leaving the radio parked on 454.49375 for a few hours, DSD+ logged the neighbors as 41, 73, 75, 80, and 93. Dave, this agrees with your data in post #219 in this thread. There was no log entry for site 97 here.

 

[DaveNF2G]

Sorry about the minor confusion. Site 97 is showing as a neighbor on Site 41.

 

[DaveNF2G]

I have assembled a list of sites operated by Central Vermont Communications in New York for their VHF paging network. It should give us a leg up on finding the trunked sites, since they will not be licensed by specific location.

Clarksville (unlikely as it is in the shadow of Pinnacle Mtn where Site 41 is located)
Crawford
99 S Pearl St in Albany (also unlikely)
Bald Mtn (the one in Brunswick)
Prospect Mtn
Catskill
Saratoga Springs (out of range for Albany)
Amsterdam
Grafton
Willard Mtn
Warrensburg
Gore Mtn
Glens Falls (out of range for Albany)

As you can see, they have no known site at Lake George, which is listed as the location of Site 93.

I can confirm 454.34375 MHz as a voice channel at Site 80. (Color Code 5)

 

[GTR8000]

As you can see, they have no known site at Lake George, which is listed as the location of Site 93.

Site 93 at Lake George is Prospect Mtn, and is 100% confirmed. It says so right in the site location.

OneVoice Network Site: Lake George

OneVoice Network Site: Lake George Details

www.radioreference.com

 

[DaveNF2G]

Ah, ok. To me, Lake George and Prospect Mtn are two entirely different things. Now I understand the listing.

 

[DaveNF2G]

Yesterday I went mobile and drove up north as far as Wilton to try to check out some new sites, particularly Sites 80 and 97.

Not a peep from 97 on any Central Vermont Communications channel, so it is likely operated by Wells or somebody else.

I did trunktrack 80 successfully from Wilton. Neighbors are 71, 73, 75, 77, 93. As those sites are all in Vermont except Prospect, and as this is the only site so far on which I have heard Vermont Railway, I tentatively place Site 80 on Willard Mountain. It carries many of the same talkgroups as Site 91.

 

[DaveNF2G]

A couple of other findings/conclusions. I submitted license data for sites in the Albany-Schenectady-Troy market area to the database also.

The sites that I thought were operated by Wells Communications are actually licensed to Repeater Networks, LLC. Wells has no Part 25 auction blocks.

Current best guess for Site 91's location is Crawford Hill (Rotterdam).

 

[CqDx]

Site 4 in NYC is reporting a new neighbor site of 201. Not sure if this is a temporary neighbor site since none of the other NYC area sites are reporting this neighbor.

 

[n2nov]

Site 4 in NYC is reporting a new neighbor site of 201. Not sure if this is a temporary neighbor site since none of the other NYC area sites are reporting this neighbor.

Site 5 on Staten Island is also listing a neighbor site of 201 as of tonight.

 

[CqDx]

Small update - looks like the 500MHz sites (Site 32 and Site 33) were moved to a new frequency. The 500MHz control channels were offline.

454.3250 MHz is reporting as control channel for Site 32. Color Code 12. Neighbor Sites 33, 36, 37, 38
452.2375 MHz is reporting as control channel for Site 33. Color Code 2. Neighbor Sites 32, 37, 38, 39

Also
471.6875 MHz is reporting as control channel for Site 37. Color Code 2. Neighbor Sites 4, 5, 6, 12, 13

 

[bryank104]

Yesterday I went mobile and drove up north as far as Wilton to try to check out some new sites, particularly Sites 80 and 97.

Not a peep from 97 on any Central Vermont Communications channel, so it is likely operated by Wells or somebody else.

I did trunktrack 80 successfully from Wilton. Neighbors are 71, 73, 75, 77, 93. As those sites are all in Vermont except Prospect, and as this is the only site so far on which I have heard Vermont Railway, I tentatively place Site 80 on Willard Mountain. It carries many of the same talkgroups as Site 91.

I receive the vermont railroad on the Manchester site

 

[GTR8000]

Small update - looks like the 500MHz sites (Site 32 and Site 33) were moved to a new frequency. The 500MHz control channels were offline.

454.3250 MHz is reporting as control channel for Site 32. Color Code 12. Neighbor Sites 33, 36, 37, 38
452.2375 MHz is reporting as control channel for Site 33. Color Code 2. Neighbor Sites 32, 37, 38, 39

Also
471.6875 MHz is reporting as control channel for Site 37. Color Code 2. Neighbor Sites 4, 5, 6, 12, 13

If it's not submitted, it never happened...you know the drill.

 

[CqDx]

In regards to the Goosetown Communications DMR Tier 3 System. It has been offline for several months but a new system with identical sites has popped up. Not speculating anything but this is still most likely a test system.

RadioReference Database

The most complete database of radio communications data

www.radioreference.com

DMR Tier 3 Network ID 122
T122-1.2	477.77500	Pomona
	478.35000
T122-2.1	454.21875	Alpine

 

[GTR8000]

Yes, the T3 system(s) are tests.

PS - You never submitted any updates for those OneVoice sites. Not going to do anyone much good if the changes aren't reflected in the RRDB.

 

[CqDx]

Do you want me to make the submissions to the database for the ex-500MHz sites in NJ? I don't have any LSN/LCN other than the new control channels as heard over the air.

The Neptune, Holmdel and West Orange are very quiet, don't think I ever heard any traffic on them.

 

[GTR8000]

Ah shoot, I didn't even consider the LCN issue. Yeah I guess go ahead and submit whatever you have and I'll make the updates. Going to have to leave the new control channel LCN's blank for the time being, until someone can track the sites and grab the new LCN order and possibly new voice frequencies as well.

 

[Voyager]

I don't normally follow/monitor this network, so I don't know if it's been reported, but I'm seeing a CON+ network
being received near Buffalo, NY that is ID'ing itself as System 171 Site 1 with the following LCNs (all confirmed):

1: 424.8750
2: 424.4250
3: 424.6250
4: 424.7125
5: 424.9000
6: 424.6625
7: 424.5750

System ID: 171
Site ID: 1
CC: 1
NL: 3/4/10/17/23

It's very active with HEAVY data (non-voice) use. Some voice TGs are: 50xxxx range (500127 the most active)

RIDs are in the 50xxxxx and 160xxxxx ranges. Sounds like mostly PS activity and calling "Buffalo".

I don't see anything close to this on the WIKI and there is no Site 1 listed on the RRdB.

Would they have moved Site 1 so far out of their core area?
Did they maybe upgrade the site controller and re-use Site 1's controller?
Could this be a duplicate System 171 in NY? (very unlikely)
Why are the neighbors that far away? Could Buffalo be an isolated site?
The Site Research has all the frequencies (all questioned) in the 454 MHz range. (likely outdated)

P.S. Yes, I know the 424 MHz range is normal for that area near the Canadian Border

Also, info submitted.