Ongoing Changes: Marion Co. MECA System

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Movement on APP with APCO for MECA

T08021917049047 METROPOLITAN EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS AGENCY 4159737 Submitted To Coordinator 2/29/2008 1:22:39 PM
 

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A lot of Audio testing going on right now on 851.8375 P25 11PM and by the way they went into great detail on how the system works today on there I think some of you need to listen and you may just learn a thing or two. UHMM could I be right about the system? Time will tell
 

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Not sure if this will the other system ID or not but this popped up for about a minute this morning 5f50 then it vanished. It was on one of the channels being tested so who knows.
Also Pro96Com is showing DATA CHANNEL UPDATE: 40 Channels

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scanner_freak said:
Let me help you. Please listen, because you are confused.

262 is the system ID

101 and 102 are site numbers for that system. It is one system, 2 sites. I suspect there will eventually be a 103 and 104 etc...Some sites operating alone, some simulcasting.

THEN, there will be ANOTHER system with a different system ID. It could be 261 or 263, (that would make sense). Then, they will also have 101, 102, 103 etc..

Now, example, 101 could be 4 sites simulcasting as one and 102 could be a single site all within the same system.
 
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Viper43 said:
Not sure if this will the other system ID or not but this popped up for about a minute this morning 5f50 then it vanished. It was on one of the channels being tested so who knows.
Also Pro96Com is showing DATA CHANNEL UPDATE: 40 Channels

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5F50 is a tower ID look back a page and see my Example you should see this
262H-101 then when a ID pops up pending on witch tower they are hiting in on you will see a ID like 5f50 by the way they only have a few up and running at 21st and post is the main one right now and yes it is on the ISP tower they where talking about that yesterday on there.

Take your 396T and hold on MECA SYS 1 CC watch it it will show 2723 then when a ID pops up pending on the tower it will show you 5e30F or 21f0E pending on the tower. You will have to watch a while dont give up right away some times it takes a while for the scanner to see it. I hope that helps
 

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I forgot the best way to see this is to scan a sys you already have programed up lest say MECA SYS 1 IMPD when it is trunking the whole SYS press Hold or man and it should stop on the CC if not rotate through till you hear the CC then watch the ID 2723 when a unit hits in pending on the site it will change from 2723 to what ever. I have them loged for the 2723 if any one wants them. As for the P25 SYS it does the same thing the 262H-101 changes if they are on that tower it will not change only when it is a diffrent tower.
 

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I take back my lst statement it works just as easy in search mode or CC only search mode it will show you the same info
 

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w8fcc said:
5F50 is a tower ID look back a page and see my Example you should see this
262H-101 then when a ID pops up pending on witch tower they are hiting in on you will see a ID like 5f50 by the way they only have a few up and running at 21st and post is the main one right now and yes it is on the ISP tower they where talking about that yesterday on there.

Take your 396T and hold on MECA SYS 1 CC watch it it will show 2723 then when a ID pops up pending on the tower it will show you 5e30F or 21f0E pending on the tower. You will have to watch a while dont give up right away some times it takes a while for the scanner to see it. I hope that helps
On a BCD396t, holding on an active Control Channel shows first, System ID in Hex, then Tower or site id 0101.
also I believe in Hex, not 100% sure on in site id being Hexadecimal or not.
 

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On SYS 1 analog this is what shows up as far as System ID
2723H
5dd0H
2bd0H
21F0H
5ef0H
4ef05
5e3foh
and so On the same on the new P25 when it is active it shows in place of 262-101 pending on the tower it will change but they dont have a lot of the towers on yet the other numbers are the tower site
 

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w8fcc said:
On SYS 1 analog this is what shows up as far as System ID
2723H
5dd0H
2bd0H
21F0H
5ef0H
4ef05
5e3foh
and so On the same on the new P25 when it is active it shows in place of 262-101 pending on the tower it will change but they dont have a lot of the towers on yet the other numbers are the tower site
Those seem to be group ID's rather than System ID, at least that's what I get when I convert from Hex to Dec.
 

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Hello all I just want to say that we are currently getting our radios changed into a new template here at work. This template is kind of a mess due to it having the analog digital state and failsafe all programmed into it. I will work on getting a copy of the template out to a moderator to post so when this system goes online you can id the talkgroups. This will be a huge change from what has been done before. I want to calrify that this IS NOT smoking mirror stuff nor is it rumor. I am a user on this system and a active firefighter paramedic for wayne twp. fire. So once every 3 days I use the system and we have been told of the changes and what it will mean. The new digital system will do away with individual talkgroups( ie ops 81, ops 11, and so on). There will be like something from ops 1 to ops 18 or something. The analog template will stay in the radio should the digital system fail we have a fallback. We also will be getting a new firehouse alerting system come later this year. We are told this will be a digitized voice at the firehouse and that this is supposed to be better and MECA can put out more than one run at the same time instead of having to wait to dispatch the run they are announcing at that time. So I ask a little patience in this matter as I will get it submitted to the moderators for posting. Thanks all for who have submitted replies and posts. Have a good day and be safe.
 

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newsalan said:
Those seem to be group ID's rather than System ID, at least that's what I get when I convert from Hex to Dec.


2723 is the system ID of system 1 (old analog system), which you should know since A: it's listed in the databse info B: you claim you monitor the system.
Old system 2 (analog) is 3A3A


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Viper43 said:
2723 is the system ID of system 1 (old analog system), which you should know since A: it's listed in the databse info B: you claim you monitor the system.
Old system 2 (analog) is 3A3A
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Well, I get a five digit number when I convert... and each of the other one for the message I responded to also convert to five digits. Ergo, talkgroup ID's and I though we were talking about the new digital system. That’s what I was talking about and that’s what this thread is about. The new 9.6 digital system.

There should only be one system id, per system, and then several, up to 10-11 tower id's. And those are usually not five digits.

So what are you receiving? Instead of just posting to bash someone. Tell what you see different… I don’t believe the poster that I responded to is correct.

I can and do receive the old system, (it worked fine on Friday), but I have to change locations to do so. The new one I was not able to monitor on Friday, my probation officer let me leave the County for a day. ;)

And even if I regularly monitored this system, there are two people here who have the corner on truth on this system, and even when someone posts a correction or that's not how these systems work, these two people cannot accept the truth or admit they might be wrong. The new system is still in testing, so things can and will change. And it’s probably at low power until re-banding and/or new frequencies are assigned.

But I have every confidence with the new and improved coverage; I’ll be hearing the new MECA a lot more than I currently do. And I do hope I have your permission to monitor his system. ;)
 
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I wasn't bashing you, I was stating FACTS, if your so sensitive you can't handle facts you better crawl back into your box and stay there. You also, as a REPORTER should know the difference between you and your, and should get your facts before commenting, and you can't get your facts if you cannot monitor the system 24/7, again, not bashing you, just stating FACTS.

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Meca System 1 changes

ScannerFreak,Again i will ASK YOU TO CLOSE THIS THREAD. This is GETTING VERY OLD AND NEEDS TO STOP. PEOPLE ARE JUST PUTTING DOWN EACH OTHER AND THIS IS A "Hobby" Not a place to ''PUT OTHERS DOWN"
 

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W9NES said:
ScannerFreak,Again i will ASK YOU TO CLOSE THIS THREAD. This is GETTING VERY OLD AND NEEDS TO STOP. PEOPLE ARE JUST PUTTING DOWN EACH OTHER AND THIS IS A "Hobby" Not a place to ''PUT OTHERS DOWN"

Actually there are some very good posts here, and the information here and being posted is in flux as the new system is still in flux. But it will become more stable as more and more testing comes on board.

I think two things needs to happen, first, realize that there will be differences of opinion here about the information being posted. It is not set in stone yet.
Second, everybody gets to post here, like it/them or not. Recognize that fact and just ignore them if you don’t agree or post to correct their erroneous or possible erroneous information. But there is no reason to cast insults because they don’t meet your definition of a “appropriate scanner listener.”

Unfortunately as I see it there are one or two people here that consider themselves experts on the system, but they don’t work for MECA, they don’t use MECA radios, all they do is listen with a scanner and use a computer program to decode information from the system. But they are vocal, very vocal about it and that’s why the other thread was closed. I would hate to see that happen to this one. What’s even sadder is I’m sure there are people reading this thread that do have facts, but can’t or won’t post because of the reactions of these one or two people.

Having and running a computer trunking program does not make anyone an expert on this system, despite what the “trunking” computer program tells you. Things can and will change. The firefighter who is actually a user of the system had a great post and I look forward to his information. We also only need current control channel information and currently in use talk group information posted here… IMHO And if you feel something is wrong with the current information, feel free to offer a correction. But I’m not the moderator, nor do I want to be. :0

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fire4456 said:
Hello all I just want to say that we are currently getting our radios changed into a new template here at work. This template is kind of a mess due to it having the analog digital state and failsafe all programmed into it. I will work on getting a copy of the template out to a moderator to post so when this system goes online you can id the talkgroups. This will be a huge change from what has been done before. I want to calrify that this IS NOT smoking mirror stuff nor is it rumor. I am a user on this system and a active firefighter paramedic for wayne twp. fire. So once every 3 days I use the system and we have been told of the changes and what it will mean. The new digital system will do away with individual talkgroups( ie ops 81, ops 11, and so on). There will be like something from ops 1 to ops 18 or something. The analog template will stay in the radio should the digital system fail we have a fallback. We also will be getting a new firehouse alerting system come later this year. We are told this will be a digitized voice at the firehouse and that this is supposed to be better and MECA can put out more than one run at the same time instead of having to wait to dispatch the run they are announcing at that time. So I ask a little patience in this matter as I will get it submitted to the moderators for posting. Thanks all for who have submitted replies and posts. Have a good day and be safe.
I for one am looking forward to the information.
 

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You know what Newsalan,I really do not care abou what you think and you have been a "trouble maker from the start" You do not play nice with others and I think you have a major problem.All you like to do is ATTACK VIPER 43, W8FCC, AND W9NES. Again,You do not live in the Metro Indianapolis area and you need to leave this to ''People who do know about the system, Yes we do NOT WORK FOR MECA and we do not wish to."You call yourself a fellow Newsmedia person but you know to tell you the truth about it.You should of never got into with Viper 43 on a lawsuit.I think you need to grow up and act your mature adult age instead of putting people down as you have in the past and your posting reflect very bad judement and taste of others you do not approve.I myself do Monitor the MECA SYSTEM on a daily basis and know what is going on.You have nothing better to do with your time but to put down people and try to make yourself look good by taking credit for other postings from fellow members and taking all the credit and the infomation did not come from you as the orginal souce of the posting!!!!
 

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Okay, I have avoided this thread for a long time now, but let me set a couple of things out for consideration.

There has been a lot of complaining about people in the thread and reports being issued by people. One individual in particular seems to think that he should be sole arbiter of what is acceptable here, he is not. Many complaints have been received from this individual where indeed there is no cause for such reports. Stop sending them! At this point you are likely to be the next person to be have your posting privileges suspended...if you are not sure if this is directed to you, then consider carefully your actions in the future.

Trust me when I say that at least one moderator is keeping an eye on this thread and I am not referring to myself; however, I will also be keeping an eye out and just one more off topic or attacking post will deal the offender a vacation as soon as I see it without any further warning.
 
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