Ongoing Changes: Marion Co. MECA System

[SCPD]

262-102 half up and running now new cc and freq list not all freqs up and running yet


262-102

851.0375
851.1250
851.3000
851.8125
851.8375 CC
852.1125 current CC
852.2375
852.8250
853.6875

 

[SCPD]

If any one cares to listen to 262-102 Meca and Motorola is driveing the 465 loop to check the system range sounds good from the north side and east so far.
TG 20005 use freqs in post above

TG
20002
20005
20006
20012
20702
20703
20704
20102
20302
20602

MECA/MOTOROLA to cont road grid testing on Friday from 8AM to 6PM

 

[jerk]

Not sure they are operating at full power. Did not hear them South of Indy today, heard analog MECA fine. Could also depend on Tower location and height.

 

[Viper43]

900MHz ? Are you meaning 800MHz, and I’m sure approval will come, it may take some congressional intervention or pushing, but if the need is there… it will come. I’m thinking the FCC/coordinator is thinking why not just use what they have, especially when it is re-banded. I don’t think they will get approval for two new P25 systems and at the same time keep two old analog systems on the air for mostly backup.

No, I meant what I said.... the original plan was to use 900Mhz, however they were told the coordinator wouldn't approve that, that was before ordering the present radios so they went to the next plan which was 700Mhz. The idea was to keep System 2 800Mhz and then have system 1 700Mhz.
They do not have to wait until Feb of 09 as stated by W8FCC, the coordinator can work around the few 700Mhz frequencies in use now in the Indy area, thats there job, and why getting approval is taking so long.

V

 

[SCPD]

They are staying with 800Mhz and the WNNM854 lic what they bought was 800Mhz transmitters

The new state-of-the-art digital voice system will be comprised of two Motorola ASTRO 25 800 MHz trunked voice radio communications systems and will serve both public safety and public service users. The new system also will include more than 6,000 new radios and 80 dispatch consoles for public safety and public service personnel throughout Indianapolis.

 

[SCPD]

By the way who is on 700 in INDY the only lic is ISP and they are not using it and yes the Feb 2009 has a lot to do with it That is the whole deal with AnalogTV shutting down and moving bands and going Digital to make room for Public Safty to use. I scan the 700 band all the time and no one in public safty is on there.

Also both SYS 1 and SYS 2 have to be the same SYS2 is the back up for 1

 

[Viper43]

By the way who is on 700 in INDY the only lic is ISP and they are not using it and yes the Feb 2009 has a lot to do with it That is the whole deal with AnalogTV shutting down and moving bands and going Digital to make room for Public Safty to use. I scan the 700 band all the time and no one in public safty is on there.

Also both SYS 1 and SYS 2 have to be the same SYS2 is the back up for 1

Better check your info, IF what you say is true then none of Ohio's mobile extenders would work as EVERY one of them is on 774Mhz.... (check Ohio DB for the MARCS system) ..... imagine that it's an 800Mhz system! Again, check the radios, they will work on both 700 & 800Mhz if they are programmed to do so. There are a couple of cities using or in the process of setting up systems that work this way (ie: one on 700Mhz andd one on 800Mhz and the systems are backups for each other) There are also Federal systems in the 700 & 800Mhz bands that are interoperable. As long as it's set up and programmed properly they work fine together.
And once again analog/digital TV has nothing to do with it, nor does Feb 2009. Each state was assigned 700Mhz frequencies, Indiana hasn't decided how to use what they were assigned which is the only reason they are not in service yet. As I said before the coordinators are the ones who decide.

V

 

[SCPD]

No, I meant what I said.... the original plan was to use 900Mhz, however they were told the coordinator wouldn't approve that, that was before ordering the present radios so they went to the next plan which was 700Mhz. The idea was to keep System 2 800Mhz and then have system 1 700Mhz.
They do not have to wait until Feb of 09 as stated by W8FCC, the coordinator can work around the few 700Mhz frequencies in use now in the Indy area, thats there job, and why getting approval is taking so long.

V

Again who in INDY AREA is using 700 I did not say Ohio I was talking IN

All states and Public Safty has to go through the 700Mhz Plublic Safty Regional Planning Committee to get approval for 700Mhz and yes some states are using it because they got approved IN has not got it yet they only one is ISP WPTZ 769 Just a block of freqs nothing set up yet No tunked Systems and it is you who needs to check you info here is a basic link that will get you started on how Analog TV shut down does have somthing to do with it

http://www.dtv.gov/whatisdtv.html


http://www.dtv.gov/index.html



Converting to DTV also will free up parts of the scarce and valuable broadcast spectrum. Those portions of the spectrum can then be used for other important services, such as public and safety services (police and fire departments, emergency rescue), and advanced wireless services.

 

[Viper43]

Again who in INDY AREA is using 700 I did not say Ohio I was talking IN

All states and Public Safty has to go through the 700Mhz Plublic Safty Regional Planning Committee to get approval for 700Mhz and yes some states are using it because they got approved IN has not got it yet they only one is ISP WPTZ 769 Just a block of freqs nothing set up yet No tunked Systems and it is you who needs to check you info here is a basic link that will get you started on how Analog TV shut down does have somthing to do with it

http://www.dtv.gov/whatisdtv.html


http://www.dtv.gov/index.html

Converting to DTV also will free up parts of the scarce and valuable broadcast spectrum. Those portions of the spectrum can then be used for other important services, such as public and safety services (police and fire departments, emergency rescue), and advanced wireless services.

Who is or ISN'T licensed on 700Mhz now doesn't mean a dang thing today......
Obviously your not paying attention to what I have said , your seeing what you want then go off in another direction that has absolutely nothing to do with this. The TV bs has NOTHING to do with what MECA "could" do, thats up to the coordinators, not the TV channels, there are plenty of available 700Mhz channels in the Indy area available for a trunked system TODAY if a coordinator was to choose that and MECA COULD have a 700Mhz system and 800Mhz system that would work as backups for each other if needed.
MECA originaly wanted 900Mhz but was denied so they went the other way, whether they 700Mhz or 800Mhz it's all up to the coordinator..... now we wait.

V

 

[SCPD]

No, I meant what I said.... the original plan was to use 900Mhz, however they were told the coordinator wouldn't approve that, that was before ordering the present radios so they went to the next plan which was 700Mhz. The idea was to keep System 2 800Mhz and then have system 1 700Mhz.
They do not have to wait until Feb of 09 as stated by W8FCC, the coordinator can work around the few 700Mhz frequencies in use now in the Indy area, thats there job, and why getting approval is taking so long.

V

Look at what you saide "few 700Mhz frequencies in use now in the Indy area"

what is IN USE IN INDY?

 

[SCPD]

this is mute anyway MECA said they are ready to put there Stamp of approval "there words not mine" on the new system with 800Mhz freqs as of yesterdays testing.

 

[EngineerZ]

No, I meant what I said.... the original plan was to use 900Mhz, however they were told the coordinator wouldn't approve that, that was before ordering the present radios so they went to the next plan which was 700Mhz.
V

This is pretty bizarre... I don't believe Public safety has ever had an allocation at 900 MHz, so of course APCO couldn't coordinate 900 MHz channels. But if MECA had really intended to license 900 MHz, they could have gone to one of the coordinators certified to do 900 MHz to try to get it done. There are a number of frequency coordinators who are willing to take just about anybody's money to do coordination and there is no rule that public safety agencies must use APCO for coordination. Perhaps MECA tried to pull APCO in to help them broker an arrangement with another coordinator and APCO wouldn't help out... So at that point MECA shifted to 700 MHz rather than go it alone with a non-PS coordinator.

But even if MECA successfully worked with a 900 MHz coordinator and obtained the appropriate FCC rule waivers to get licensed in that band, the the bigger problem would be obtaining equipment. Granted, I don't do any work in 900 MHz, but I'm not aware of a single radio manufacturer that makes a P25 radio at 900 MHz, let alone a dual-band 800/900 MHz radio. In fact, I believe Motorola has completely abandoned 900 MHz for the non-public safety LMR market.

Besides, with Nextel trying to push more operations into 900 MHz, I would think that MECA would have tried to continue to steer away from that interference nightmare rather than steering back toward it....

I've seen enough bizarre scenarios implemented in this business to understand anything is possible though...

--z

 

[Viper43]

Z

Better do more research, there is more in 900 than you think. But part of their thinking was 900 isn't used to it's best around here, and there is plenty frequencies available. There are a very few trunked systems in the range so it would have been less crowded. 800 is busting at the seams here with all the systems in use, they really wanted to avoid that in hopes of better coverage.

V

 

[Viper43]

Look at what you saide "few 700Mhz frequencies in use now in the Indy area"

what is IN USE IN INDY?

You look at what I said, MECA wanted a rad less travelled... ie: less traffic than the 800Mhz systems.... is it really THAT hard for you to understand? Having so few 700Mhz channels in use now gives them more choice and freedom in setting up the system and avoiding intereference issues. As it is now the 800 systems are stepping all over each other and it's a friggen mess.

V

 

[Viper43]

W8FCC,

So where were all these changes you said were coming yesterday? Nothing changed, everything is still the same with the new system 2 still using BOTH 262-101 & 262-102.

V

 

[SCPD]

they did not pass 97% testing rate so there is a hold right now and by the way you can NOT have 2 CC oprating a system at the same time

262-101 856.5125 CC NOW
262-102 852.1125 CC NOW


By the way where is 262-103 262-104 262-105 all these sites you claim will show up NOT

 

[SCPD]

By the way I was not the only one told that date look at the RR DB under New MECA SYS 2 it has the same dates

 

[SCPD]

Something else to chew on they have spent 3 months just on 262-101 and 262-102 testing you think they are going to do that for 103,104,105,106,107,108 and so on then SYS 2 alone would not be on the air operational till some time late 2009 WRONG

TIME WILL TELL

 

[delallen]

Guys - Chill Out!

 

[SCPD]

Guys - Chill Out!

Where not upset just having some fun