Ongoing Changes: Marion Co. MECA System

[Viper43]

The MECA system as it is now, system 1 then system 2 then used on both systems and then licensed but unused.

System 1
856.2125, 856.7625, 856.9375, 857.2625, 857.7625, 857.9375, 858.2125, 858.7625, 858.9375, 859.2625, 859.7625, 859.9375, 860.2625 CC, 860.7625 CC, 860.9375, 860.9875 CC, 866.8375, 867.1125
System 2
854.9875, 856.4375, 856.9875, 857.4375 CC, 857.9375, 857.9875, 858.4375 CC, 858.7625, 858.9375, 858.9875 CC, 859.2625, 859.4375, 859.7625, 859.9375, 859.9875 CC, 860.2625, 866.0375, 866.3000, 866.8375, 867.2375, 867.8250
Licensed but Unused
855.4875, 857.2125, 858.2625, 859.2125, 860.2125, 860.4375, 866.1000, 866.1875, 866.3500, 866.5375, 866.7875, 866.8125, 867.7000, 868.2250, 868.6875
Used in tests but not licensed to MECA with system it was used on:
851.0125 1 CC, 856.7125 1, 860.0375 1, 860.4625 1, 868.5875 1, 864.8125 2 CC

My guess is the unused frequencies will be the ones used on the new systems and should be programmed into a scanner as a seperate system to see if they do indeed pop up with control channels for the new systems. The unlicensed channels may also end up used although I doubt the first and especially the last one would be used but you never know.

V

 

[SCPD]

I am not sure where your getting that info but there current license is WNNM 854 and there is no listing of 851.0125 or some of the other ones you have listed and some you have listed are used by Safe T now. 859.2125 is data MDT Pager 860.2125 Data now 860.4375 used Data 867.700 Data MDT Pager 868.6875 Data these have been in use for a long time. I had a break down of this on a earler post some where. I know some of them are listed using Unitrunker but they cant yet test till they get the APCO and FCC approval. by the looks of things I bet they are getting a new License for the Digital and it will be rebanded and leave the old Analog alone they did state that the old system could be used as a back up if the new goes down but who knows.


this is what Unitrunker has shown over two months of logging
851.8875 NEW
856.2125
856.9125 New
856.9375
857.7625
857.9375
858.2125
858.2625
858.7625
858.9375
859.2625
859.7625
859.9125 NEW
859.9375
860.2625 Data Control Channel
860.7375 NEW Possible Data Control Channel
860.7625 Data Control Channel
860.9375 Data Control Channel
860.9875 Data Control Channel
861.9125 NEW
861.9625 NEW
863.4375 NEW
863.6375 NEW
864.8375 NEW
865.2375 NEW
865.4125 NEW
865.6625 NEW
865.7125 NEW
866.8375
867.1125
867.5125 NEW
868.6000 NEW
868.6500 NEW


this is what it might be after rebanding
851.8375
851.8875
852.1125
852.5125
853.6000
853.6500
856.2125
856.9125
856.9375
857.2625
857.7625
857.9375
858.2125
858.2625
858.7625
858.9375
859.2625
859.7625
859.9125
859.9375
860.2625
860.7375
860.7625
860.9375
860.9875
861.9125
861.9625
863.4375
863.6375
864.8375
865.2375
865.4125
865.6625
865.7125

 

[Viper43]

READ WHAT I WROTE!!! I SPECIFICALLY STATE UNLICENSED but used in testing! Your not paying attention to what I wrote...

V

 

[SCPD]

What are they testing I have not seen or heard anything on those I have been listeing and logging for months now and nothing jumps out yet and sorry missed that

 

[Viper43]

No problem. But they have tested a number of CC's, some of which you posted, but what I listed here was a compelation of the channels they are using, what they are licensed for and for which systems, then threw in channels that they have tested with but are not licensed for. My thinking is that the frequencies that are not being used, and possibly some they tested with but are not licensed for may wind up in the new system as the starter frequencies and should probably be watched for future activity. I set them up in two scanners as P25 just to see if any of them do come to life as the new CC's. I also have copies of each system set up as P25 just in case they pop up there... one way or another when something happens I should know pretty quick when it does happen.

V

 

[SCPD]

THERE HAS BEEN MOVMENT NOW WITH APCO FOR MECA

T07051714041387 METROPOLITAN EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS AGENCY 4159737 Submitted To Coordinator 12/7/2007 12:41:21 PM

T07051714041387 METROPOLITAN EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS AGENCY 4159737 Screening 12/7/2007 1:17:01 PM

They resummited info to the cordinator and now it is on to screening and hopefully passes then the paper work goes on to the FCC for approval and that may take a while.


the first set of numbers is the application ID the second is there FRN with the FCC

 

[DiGiTaLD]

Maintenance

FYI all, for the next couple of days, if you notice a decrease in coverage in your area, it is because MECA is going to be doing some maintenance on sites. One simulcast site will be shut down at a time, so the system will still be there, but coverage in that simulcast site's area will suck for a little while. This is supposed to happen durning the daytime hours.

This is probably related to the upgrade, getting some new gear ready for the cutover or similar.

 

[SCPD]

BAD NEWS FOR MECA
First application for coordination did not pass APCO

T07051714041387 METROPOLITAN EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS AGENCY 4159737 Unprocessable 12/11/2007 2:19:09 PM

first set of numbers app id second set FCC frn id

 

[SCPD]

Testing will start before the cutover and during it, the coverage testing is what is said to begin in February as quoted here: Coverage testing of both System 1 and 2 is
projected to begin in February. Coverage testing of the buildings that Motorola guaranteed to have in-building coverage will take place after System 1 and 2 are operational.

It may be that testing has already begun as I noticed some odd things occuring today on MECA system 1, #1 is a squealing noise on some frequencies during transmissions, the squeal was on both ends of the transmissions #2: odd TG's popping up on system, specifically in 578**'s and the fact it was school buses, oddly enough they are the same TG ID's used on the Warren TWP School District who is on a seperate system. I do not have the Warren system in the scanner the TG's were showing up on so I know it wasn't a scanner issue. The fact they showed up on MECA 1 is odd though.
I hadn't checked to see if there was a frequency change or not.

V

After doing some intense searching and scanning sevral diffrent ways today I to am hearing a lot of School traffic on MECA SYS 1 Now. Even in conv mode. It seems to hit on 857.76250 most of the time it sounds like warren or perry but for a moment I thought I heard Washington Township but they to have there own system. I would say we need to do some more listeing it sounds like they added them. But would they not put them on SYS 2?

 

[SCPD]

FYI all, for the next couple of days, if you notice a decrease in coverage in your area, it is because MECA is going to be doing some maintenance on sites. One simulcast site will be shut down at a time, so the system will still be there, but coverage in that simulcast site's area will suck for a little while. This is supposed to happen durning the daytime hours.

This is probably related to the upgrade, getting some new gear ready for the cutover or similar.

this is work on the old analog system mostly right now today seems to be on system 2 mostly. They all ready have all the sites and equipment in and done for the Digital just waiting on approval from Apco and the FCC so they can begin testing.

 

[Viper43]

After doing some intense searching and scanning sevral diffrent ways today I to am hearing a lot of School traffic on MECA SYS 1 Now. Even in conv mode. It seems to hit on 857.76250 most of the time it sounds like warren or perry but for a moment I thought I heard Washington Township but they to have there own system. I would say we need to do some more listeing it sounds like they added them. But would they not put them on SYS 2?

Warren Twp is on their system still, however I noticed a week earlier that Perry Twp's system was non-existant, so did they add both Perry and Washington Twps? I can see them putting both on System 1 due to all the stuff that goes down at these schools and it would just be easier to get ahold of a cop on 1, or is something else going on... who knows, but I wonder if that is the reason the Ap didn'[t go through the other day?

V

 

[SCPD]

Warren Twp is on their system still, however I noticed a week earlier that Perry Twp's system was non-existant, so did they add both Perry and Washington Twps? I can see them putting both on System 1 due to all the stuff that goes down at these schools and it would just be easier to get ahold of a cop on 1, or is something else going on... who knows, but I wonder if that is the reason the Ap didn'[t go through the other day?

V

They all or did have there own systems I did hear Warren for sure later in the evening so who knows I dont think that the users on the system would affect the app however they do need to report how many they have on the app if they summitted and left out new ones maybe it could I would think they could just edit it and not have it kicked out.

 

[Viper43]

No, I wqas meaning the app got tossed due to a frequency issue with one of the school systems.
But yeah I doubt it's Warren as they ar pretty independent. Perry's the most likely one as their system appears off the air, and it doesn't appear to have been rebanded...it's just gone.

V

 

[SCPD]

It looks like MECA 866.1000 rebanded would be 851.1000 and low and behold there is DATA on 851.1000 right now full scale if any one wants to check it out

 

[SCPD]

It looks like MECA has rebanded two of there freqs 866.1000 and 866.1875 both of these where data and are now silent and they are now on 851.1000 and 851.1875 both of these are now active with Data this would be the reband freqs for those listed.
They have no new app with APCO or with the FCC the first app to APCO got rejected. So why they would be using reband I dont know.

 

[SCPD]

Meca has moved there 866.7875 Data channel to 851.7875 the 866.7875 is silent now and 851.7875 is active.

Still nothing new on APCO or FCC apps for Meca last check APCO rejected the application. so let the waiting game begin.

 

[fire4456]

Hey all you guys monitoring the meca changes I have some infor that I might be able to post on here. I work for a fire dept in the county and I have a printed copy of what the talkgroups will be. I have no hex descriptions or anything like that. I do hae what the channels will be named. There will be some HUGE HUGE changes to how the talkgroups are going to be done on the digital syatem. Gone are the individual ops channels for each department and also dispatching. Also we are supposed to be getting a new in house form of alerting. To what we have been told voice dispatching will be secondary to the in house system. Supposedly this new system as told to us by our admin is supposed to be like the voice in rscue me you know "engine-ladder-batallion". I am not sure of this but will post more info later. I will try to post the talkgroups as listed on this paper tomorrow when I am at work.

 

[DiGiTaLD]

TG Names

I will try to post the talkgroups as listed on this paper tomorrow when I am at work.

Please do, just don't post anything that will get you in trouble!

 

[W9NES]

Fire 4456,A lot of us would like to see that Infomation.If you can post it so all of us can look at it would be great and then we will know what the new system will look like as far as the"New Talkgroups on the New System" when it gets up and running...

 

[Viper43]

I have noticed fire TG's all over the place, as well as some oddly placed Pd TG's. It appears that fire will have about the same number of TG's, but having an actual list would certainly help.

V