Uniden, you really want to break the other digital formats barrier? Why not upgrade this scanner to receive, Dstar, DMR,PDMR,Fusion ect.
The AOR wideband receiver does this....
The AOR wideband receiver does this....
Other Digital Formats Barrier
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And they charge $1200.00 and it still has trouble. Yes the last firmware helped but at $1200.00 it is still high and over priced with problems.
br0adband
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While I can't just up and take it with me, my setup using "cheap USB TV tuners" is still a better way to monitor digital formats IMO and a lot less stressful. Yes I could just throw everything in a bag and be "portable" and even functional on the go (laptop, RTL sticks, antennas, cabling, etc) but I'm content to monitor things from my apartment without any issues 24/7.
For Uniden, the demand from consumers for additional digital formats is just going to increase. By the time they get around to covering the popular ones (at this rate it could be what, several more years depending to get DMR/TRBO and NXDN, if they ever do), I would suspect people will end up forking over the additional fees for the necessary "upgrades" and be pretty close to what AOR is charging for that particular receiver these days.
I think of all the money so many people have spent on the modern scanners, several hundred bucks and more as time passes, and they're still rather limited in scope as to what they're capable of and then I look at my $100 business class laptop with $20 worth of "cheap USB TV tuners" + DSD+ as well as a few homemade antennas for maybe $20 worth of cables and parts and what that combination is capable of right now at this moment and I'm still completely amazed.
Ain't technology great?
For Uniden, the demand from consumers for additional digital formats is just going to increase. By the time they get around to covering the popular ones (at this rate it could be what, several more years depending to get DMR/TRBO and NXDN, if they ever do), I would suspect people will end up forking over the additional fees for the necessary "upgrades" and be pretty close to what AOR is charging for that particular receiver these days.
I think of all the money so many people have spent on the modern scanners, several hundred bucks and more as time passes, and they're still rather limited in scope as to what they're capable of and then I look at my $100 business class laptop with $20 worth of "cheap USB TV tuners" + DSD+ as well as a few homemade antennas for maybe $20 worth of cables and parts and what that combination is capable of right now at this moment and I'm still completely amazed.
Ain't technology great?
ka3jjz
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Let's not forget that Uniden (and others) would have to pay no doubt substantial licensing fees for the vocoders and other firmware / hardware that would be needed to decode things like DMR, NXDN,. etc.
That costs money, and if they think there' no (or very little) return on their investment, they're not going to do it. It surprised the heck out of me that they released a ProVoice upgrade, when (eventually) EDACS systems are going to be EOL
Yes, some of these new modes - MOTOTRBO in particular - has a growing base of interest, but it's evidently just not enough to justify the R&D necesary...Mike
That costs money, and if they think there' no (or very little) return on their investment, they're not going to do it. It surprised the heck out of me that they released a ProVoice upgrade, when (eventually) EDACS systems are going to be EOL
Yes, some of these new modes - MOTOTRBO in particular - has a growing base of interest, but it's evidently just not enough to justify the R&D necesary...Mike
sibbley
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Yes sir, a couple of dongles, DSD+, a computer I already had anyway, and a pen and notepad. Found everything locally I wanted to listen to. I bought a $239 CS700, entered all the info and now I can listen where ever I go.
Instead of buying the AOR, I recently bought a Winbook tablet. Now I go mobile with DSD+. Winbook $139, dongle $25, DSD+ Fastlane $25, and antenna $40. $229 and I can listen to almost everything where ever I am. Although I haven't figured out how to follow NXDN trunking yet, the capability is there.
We don't need to harass Uniden when we can do it ourselves. Would it be great to have it all in one radio? Simple answer is YES. But, when all the modes aren't offered, you need to improvise or do without.
Instead of buying the AOR, I recently bought a Winbook tablet. Now I go mobile with DSD+. Winbook $139, dongle $25, DSD+ Fastlane $25, and antenna $40. $229 and I can listen to almost everything where ever I am. Although I haven't figured out how to follow NXDN trunking yet, the capability is there.
We don't need to harass Uniden when we can do it ourselves. Would it be great to have it all in one radio? Simple answer is YES. But, when all the modes aren't offered, you need to improvise or do without.
I'll join the consensus... I doubt that even Santa Claus could cough up a scanner that does everything I'd like for it to do: all possible digital modes, GPS installed internally (instead of as an "extra" for extra charge, of course), etc.. So, as has always been the case with this hobby, you go with what "is possible" instead of raging at what "isn't possible". For NFM and P25 modes, get a Home Patrol 1. This unfairly maligned scanner is actually pretty amazing. For the other digital modes, get a cheap scanner off of eBay for $50 to $100 and install a discriminator tap. Some models are very easy to tap; it's not rocket science. I live in Arkansas where MANY law enforcement agencies have gone with DMR, but nearly all of them are unencrypted. Between my HP1 and my tapped RS Pro-405 scanner (connected to the computer, running DSD+) I can listen to everything except my local PD which is 100% encrypted on the state AWIN system. So instead of moaning about "when, oh when???", quit complaining, tap a cheap scanner or get the SDR dongle, and get to listening.
sibbley
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Oh, I forgot to mention in my last post, Provoice has been available for a while now in DSD+. So unless the agency was encrypted, it could have been monitored.
bigcam406
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has anyone considered the fact that the reason there are other formats that are not available on current scanners is because maybe they dont want us to hear it? if we keep pushing the issue,it will likely lead up to encryption anyways.
sibbley
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Yes, I brought this up in another thread, if you keep track of them as they go by. This is why I have not submitted the majority of my DMR finds.
Marshall KE4ZNR
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The reasons have been discussed in many other threads. RTFF comes to mind, also, this:
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Hardly a truly portable solution like the 436HP (and to a lesser extent the 536HP).
So until this update your had to drag a laptop around with you if you wanted to hear Provoice.
Marshall KE4ZNR
Not an optimal solution, but to dismiss it as not being portable is completely off base.
And this one is currently $79.99. WinBook TW700 Tablet - Black 466326 - Micro Center
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Yea - it's amazing what you can do if you disregard IP rights.
Reference the TW700, can it handle running DSD+ at the same time? If so, just install DSD+, the DSD plugin, and a virtual audio cable, and that's a more complete solution that will provide all-in-one decode. BTW, what is the white USB cable connected to? (or is that the power cable?)
I doubt it would handle the Airspy's 10 MSPS however, to get more bandwidth. I would love to be proven wrong on that.
Back on the OT, Uniden has added PV. Maybe they are working on others, or maybe the PV was a test to see if the concept is feasible before jumping in head first.
Now, where is that thread asking when AOR will add trunking that has been in other scanners since the 90s...
Reference the TW700, can it handle running DSD+ at the same time? If so, just install DSD+, the DSD plugin, and a virtual audio cable, and that's a more complete solution that will provide all-in-one decode. BTW, what is the white USB cable connected to? (or is that the power cable?)
I doubt it would handle the Airspy's 10 MSPS however, to get more bandwidth. I would love to be proven wrong on that.
Back on the OT, Uniden has added PV. Maybe they are working on others, or maybe the PV was a test to see if the concept is feasible before jumping in head first.
Now, where is that thread asking when AOR will add trunking that has been in other scanners since the 90s...
It's the power cord. It had 5% battery when I took the pic and was afraid it would die mid shot. I've got the 7", 8" and 10" versions. They're great little tools.
Like PRO Voice, I paid the 50 dollars for the upgrade to both my 436 and 536. I also would be willing to pay for the fee to upgrade to NXDN, Moto turbo, Dstar, Fusion Dpmr etc. I too have a Winbook and use DSD+. As the gentleman stated earlier in the thread. I love it all in one box.
I am a Ham radio operator and can also listed to these modes through my CS700, Icom ID51 and my Fusion FT2D and my Zastone 8900. That's a lot of radios to carry around. Hahaha!!
Either way, just wanted to be heard. I do think for DMR and Dstar they would need the AMBE 2 chip or something. May be wrong but would be nice to have it all in 1 box.
The reason why I didn't buy the AOR radio is because its not user friendly like the Uniden radios. Doesn't do truncking. May be wrong.....
I am a Ham radio operator and can also listed to these modes through my CS700, Icom ID51 and my Fusion FT2D and my Zastone 8900. That's a lot of radios to carry around. Hahaha!!
Either way, just wanted to be heard. I do think for DMR and Dstar they would need the AMBE 2 chip or something. May be wrong but would be nice to have it all in 1 box.
The reason why I didn't buy the AOR radio is because its not user friendly like the Uniden radios. Doesn't do truncking. May be wrong.....
MStep
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You're quite right. The AOR AR-DV1 does cover many digital modes, and while it does have a scan mode, it does not do trunking. Included as one of the digital modes is P25 Phase 1, but it appears that there are no plans at this time to add Phase 2.
I would love to get a DV1 to tinker around with--- reviews at this time are mostly mixed. It may be worth a look in the AOR forums for more info.
Bottom line is nothing does trunking like the Uniden 436 and 536 radios. With the addition of Provoice, there is really no competition out there.
sibbley
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Voyager, I have the TW800. If you keep it factory, as in not adding any additional software, it works very well with SDR# and DSD+. I've never used Airspy, but I would believe you are correct.
The TW800 has 2GB ram with a quad core Intel BayTrail 1.33 Ghz processor that will burst to 1.83 Ghz.
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