Ottawa Airport Authority

[slicerwizard]

Due to my limited battery life on my laptop using it is not feasible until I replace the battery.

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[IdleMonitor]

If it's a Cap+ or Connect+ it'll have an LCN if it's not and it's conventional or conventional networked then it won't have an LCN attached to it. I believe that's correct.

Menu
Analyze
LCN Finder
Hit enter to bring up list of your systems (Make sure it's an active system otherwise it won't show up)
Click on system name
Choose site you want to analyze

Then sit and wait, you'll see it on screen when it picks up the LCNs, it'll do this when it's active. If after awhile you notice it's not picking anymore up. Example You've got 4 frequencies you're trying to get the LCN to and only 3 show something, then chances are the 4th is not part of it.

You'll wanna make sure you save the LCNs though when backing out of the analyzation otherwise you'll have to start over.

Can you pm me or point me in a direction of some instructions for to see the LCN?
One other concern is I was seeing when locked onto the second Frequency TGs that were not in the pattern of 11, 21, 31 etc and were in another language it was too brief to identify. Might it be a shared frequency within range of the airport with another system?
Frank

 

[fmoore]

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Thanks for the tip. Its a cheaper option that is for sure.

 

[IdleMonitor]

Odd license listing, but none the less, it looks like 462.4250 also goes with Air Canada - TAFL Search Results

Also 461.6375 TAFL Search Results

The system I had in the unit was the following based on what I thought was the same system. Looks like we are looking at two separate systems at the airport.
CYOW Air Canada
Site 01 Parkade Roof
DMR One Frequency
460.700000 CC=8
Now both are ready to go and I will be in and around CYOW this morning.
Frank

 

[IdleMonitor]

462.425 Showing DMR CC 8 as well for Air Canada

 

[IdleMonitor]

Not to distract from the original thread of the Airport Authority. But I also got 461.0125 DMR CC 7 which I believe is Innotech Aviation or Swissport at the airport.

Also got TG 1000 on 460.700 as mentioned above.

 

[fmoore]

I was able to sit with the SDR at the Alert Road parking lot for spotting for a bit this afternoon. It was a prime location to hear both systems. I ran into some confusing data so I am going to have to go back with a clearer plan. But here is the rough draft of what I found.
1 Airport Authority System
463.0125 Cap+ DCC=1
TG 31
TG 71 - Interior Security/Air side security
2 Airport Ops of some kind
TG 231
461.4125 DMR DCC=2
3 Air Canada
TG 1000
460.7000 DMR CC=8
462.4250 DMR CC=8
I will be going back with this and prepared to spend more time piecing these systems together.

 

[DaveH]

1 Airport Authority System
463.0125 Cap+ DCC=1
TG 31
TG 71 - Interior Security/Air side security
2 Airport Ops of some kind
TG 231
461.4125 DMR DCC=2

For DCC=2 on 463.0125 and 462.4125 it suggests these belong to same system if the TG, RID
and content match. If you find the Cap+ channel numbers are the same on both frequencies
(1,2 or 3,4 etc.) they cannot be the same system. DSD+ will show this. I don't know what scanners
in search mode tell you.

DCC=1 on 463.0125 is something else. There is frequency sharing on a lot of channels and
results vary depending where you are in the city.

Dave

 

[DaveH]

Actually meant 461.4125, not 462.4125 above.

Dave

 

[DaveH]

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[fmoore]

Due to the need for details from the DSD Event file for the bayshore system I am going to post here what I logged. This issue as you can see is the tags were logging as general numbers and not the actual tags associated with each frequency. Carleton U(TG 31) and Bayshore RID numbers(1) showed up when I was logging and it got me confused. Below I removed the ones that were wrongly associated but I would prefer not to waste my time to fix this and link the frequency I'm monitoring with the TGs. Is there a way to do this or is it something that has to be done with other software? I edited on site for airport related tags. I am still waiting for my second SDR to arrive in the mail to properly be set up for more advanced listening/data gathering.
2020/02/22 15:41:31 Group call; TG=71 Ch=3
2020/02/22 15:41:32 Group call; TG=71 Ch=3 1s
2020/02/22 15:41:35 Group call; TG=71 Ch=3
2020/02/22 15:41:36 Group call; TG=71 Ch=3 1s
2020/02/22 15:41:39 Group call; TG=71 Ch=3
2020/02/22 15:56:51 Group call; TG=1002 RID=160 Slot=1 1s
2020/02/22 15:56:55 Group call; TG=1002 RID=197 Slot=1 1s
2020/02/22 15:56:58 Group call; TG=1002 RID=160 Slot=1 18s
2020/02/22 15:57:19 Group call; TG=1002 RID=197 Slot=1 8s
2020/02/22 15:57:29 Group call; TG=1002 RID=160 Slot=1 3s
2020/02/22 15:57:34 Group call; TG=1002 RID=197 Slot=1 1s
2020/02/22 16:01:03 Group call; TG=1002 RID=101 Slot=1 3s
2020/02/22 16:01:09 Group call; TG=1002 RID=196 Slot=1 1s
2020/02/22 16:01:12 Group call; TG=1002 RID=101 Slot=1 2s
2020/02/22 16:01:16 Group call; TG=1002 RID=196 Slot=1 3s
2020/02/22 16:01:23 Group call; TG=1002 RID=196 Slot=1 1s
2020/02/22 16:01:27 Group call; TG=1002 RID=101 Slot=1 3s
2020/02/22 16:01:31 Group call; TG=1002 RID=196 Slot=1 1s
2020/02/22 16:01:34 Group call; TG=1002 RID=101 Slot=1 8s
2020/02/22 16:01:45 Group call; TG=1002 RID=196 Slot=1 3s
2020/02/22 16:01:49 Group call; TG=1002 RID=101 Slot=1 3s
2020/02/22 16:03:09 Group call; TG=1002 [Air Canada Operations] RID=196 Slot=1 2s
2020/02/22 16:03:13 Group call; TG=1002 [Air Canada Operations] RID=10000 Slot=1
2020/02/22 16:03:15 Group call; TG=1002 [Air Canada Operations] RID=10000 Slot=1 1s
2020/02/22 16:03:18 Group call; TG=1002 [Air Canada Operations] RID=196 Slot=1 5s
2020/02/22 16:03:24 Group call; TG=1002 [Air Canada Operations] RID=10000 Slot=1 2s
2020/02/22 16:15:25 Group call; TG=71 Ch=4 3s
2020/02/22 16:16:49 Group call; TG=1000 RID=10000 Slot=1 1s
2020/02/22 16:31:23 Group call; TG=231 Ch=1
2020/02/22 16:31:23 Group call; TG=231 RID=1121 Ch=1 3s
2020/02/22 16:31:40 Group call; TG=231 Ch=2
2020/02/22 16:31:40 Group call; TG=231 RID=1121 Ch=2 2s
2020/02/22 16:31:43 Group call; TG=231 Ch=1
2020/02/22 16:31:43 Group call; TG=231 RID=1125 Ch=1 3s
2020/02/22 16:31:51 Group call; TG=231 Ch=2
2020/02/22 16:31:52 Group call; TG=231 RID=1125 Ch=2 2s
2020/02/22 16:31:54 Group call; TG=231 Ch=2
2020/02/22 16:31:54 Group call; TG=231 RID=1121 Ch=2 8s
2020/02/22 16:32:07 Group call; TG=231 Ch=1
2020/02/22 16:32:07 Group call; TG=231 RID=1125 Ch=1 9s
2020/02/22 16:41:06 Group call; TG=31 Ch=3
2020/02/22 16:41:06 Group call; TG=31 RID=1187 Ch=3 5s
2020/02/22 16:43:52 Group call; TG=71 Ch=4
2020/02/22 16:43:52 Group call; TG=71 RID=1132 Ch=4 7s
2020/02/22 16:44:00 Group call; TG=71 Ch=3
2020/02/22 16:44:00 Group call; TG=71 RID=1 Ch=3 6s
2020/02/22 16:44:07 Group call; TG=71 Ch=3
2020/02/22 16:44:07 Group call; TG=71 RID=1132 Ch=3 14s
2020/02/22 16:44:24 Group call; TG=71 Ch=4
2020/02/22 16:44:25 Group call; TG=71 RID=1 Ch=4 4s
2020/02/22 16:44:39 Group call; TG=71 Ch=3
2020/02/22 16:44:39 Group call; TG=71 RID=1132 Ch=3 8s
2020/02/22 16:44:48 Group call; TG=71 Ch=4
2020/02/22 16:44:48 Group call; TG=71 RID=1 Ch=4 9s
2020/02/22 16:44:58 Group call; TG=71 RID=1132 Ch=4 3s
2020/02/22 16:45:01 Group call; TG=71 Ch=4
2020/02/22 16:45:01 Group call; TG=71 RID=1 Ch=4 1s
2020/02/22 16:45:03 Group call; TG=71 Ch=4
2020/02/22 16:45:03 Group call; TG=71 RID=1 Ch=4 8s
2020/02/22 16:45:12 Group call; TG=71 Ch=3
2020/02/22 16:45:12 Group call; TG=71 RID=1132 Ch=3 3s
2020/02/22 16:45:16 Group call; TG=71 Ch=3
2020/02/22 16:45:16 Group call; TG=71 RID=1 Ch=3 3s
2020/02/22 16:47:11 Group call; TG=71 Ch=4
2020/02/22 16:47:11 Group call; TG=71 RID=1 Ch=4 19s
2020/02/22 16:47:29 Group call; TG=71 Ch=3
2020/02/22 16:47:29 Group call; TG=71 Ch=1
2020/02/22 16:47:29 Group call; TG=71 Ch=2
2020/02/22 16:47:30 Group call; TG=71 RID=1132 Ch=2
2020/02/22 16:47:31 Group call; TG=71 RID=1132 Ch=4 4s
2020/02/22 16:48:26 Group call; TG=71 Ch=2 3s
2020/02/22 16:48:30 Group call; TG=71 Ch=2 3s
2020/02/22 16:49:00 Group call; TG=71 Ch=3

 

[DaveH]

Hi Frank,

Minor picky point, you are referring to TGs as "tags". Tag is text associated with a specific TG. You can have the
same TG number used on different systems, with different tags. Example: TG 31 used on this system and the CU
system (and others) but they have no connection to each other.

Which frequency is this logged from? Hopefully not more than one, that will add Confusion (**).

Unfortunately DSD+ does not show the CC's in event file, or the frequency at the time. Sometimes you need to
be watching DSD+ windows in real time.

Right now I see TGs: 1, 11, 41, 51, 71 and 81 on 463.0125, with various RIDs. There is more, this frequency is particularly
messy. I also get Nexedge 9.6k RAN=2, and more. People will hear different mix depending on location.

TG 1 has CC=1, part of another Cap+ system.

Solution to the Airport system is not complex: two frequencies with same Colour Code. One frequency has Ch 1 and Ch 2,
other has Ch 3 and Ch 4. Everything which does not fit the pattern e.g. TG 1002 is something else.

461.4125 seems to only have users for Airport system, can be used to screen the users seen on 463.0125.


Dave


** sounds like a song by Little Boots!

 

[IdleMonitor]

For airport authority system I have the following frequencies active 463.0125 and 461.4125 as you mentioned Dave.

Talkgroups I've gotten there while in Ottawa was the following:
TG 11
TG 21
TG 31
TG 71
TG 211

For the seperate Air Canada - DMR System on frequencies 460.700 and 462.425 both have CC 8 on that system I have TG 1000 logged, perhaps his 1002 was a frequency from that system.

Which frequency is this logged from? Hopefully not more than one, that will add Confusion (**).

Right now I see TGs: 1, 11, 41, 51, 71 and 81 on 463.0125, with various RIDs. There is more, this frequency is particularly
messy. I also get Nexedge 9.6k RAN=2, and more. People will hear different mix depending on location.

TG 1 has CC=1, part of another Cap+ system.

Solution to the Airport system is not complex: two frequencies with same Colour Code. One frequency has Ch 1 and Ch 2,
other has Ch 3 and Ch 4. Everything which does not fit the pattern e.g. TG 1002 is something else.

461.4125 seems to only have users for Airport system, can be used to screen the users seen on 463.0125.


Dave


** sounds like a song by Little Boots!

 

[fmoore]

Hi Frank,

Minor picky point, you are referring to TGs as "tags". Tag is text associated with a specific TG. You can have the
same TG number used on different systems, with different tags. Example: TG 31 used on this system and the CU
system (and others) but they have no connection to each other.

Which frequency is this logged from? Hopefully not more than one, that will add Confusion (**).

Unfortunately DSD+ does not show the CC's in event file, or the frequency at the time. Sometimes you need to
be watching DSD+ windows in real time.

Right now I see TGs: 1, 11, 41, 51, 71 and 81 on 463.0125, with various RIDs. There is more, this frequency is particularly
messy. I also get Nexedge 9.6k RAN=2, and more. People will hear different mix depending on location.

TG 1 has CC=1, part of another Cap+ system.

Solution to the Airport system is not complex: two frequencies with same Colour Code. One frequency has Ch 1 and Ch 2,
other has Ch 3 and Ch 4. Everything which does not fit the pattern e.g. TG 1002 is something else.

461.4125 seems to only have users for Airport system, can be used to screen the users seen on 463.0125.


Dave


** sounds like a song by Little Boots!

Dave,
Unfortunately they are from multiple frequencies and hence why I want to go back and do some more organized listening so the logging can be recorded correctly with the associated frequencies.
When it comes to the lack of CC's in the file, I took pictures with that and the frequency so I had a record of this. The summary data has been shared above.
I have used TG and tag interchangeably but if there is a difference. I will stick to TG in the future as to not cause confusion. Thanks for clarifying the information and will hopefully be able to piece the rest of the puzzle together.

Frank

 

[fmoore]

I went back to the airport this afternoon and put the following together.
For the
Air Canada System Cap+
460.70000 CC=8
461.63875 CC=8
462.42500 CC=8
TG=1000 Air Canada Baggage Handling Ops
TG=1001
TG=1002 Ground Issues
Slot 1 has been seen.
This was programmed in the 436HP and sounds like everything is close to perfect. Maybe its missing a frequency but that's what I have.
The Airport Authority System Cap+ is more complicated for some reason:
I have it programmed as MotoTRBO
461.4125 CC=2
460.2125 CC=1
S2
1
2
3
4
TG as 1, 11, 21 etc as above...
BTW, TG 11 is Snow-clearing Ops

When individually, both show those TGs but for the system as programmed they have zero activity. Do I have it programmed wrong-DMR instead?
Also when I went to do the LCN finder I found 1/2 and it didn't show any more but I know both frequencies are part of the same system.

 

[DaveH]

I went back to the airport this afternoon and put the following together.
For the
Air Canada System Cap+
460.70000 CC=8
461.63875 CC=8
462.42500 CC=8
TG=1000 Air Canada Baggage Handling Ops
TG=1001
TG=1002 Ground Issues
Slot 1 has been seen.
This was programmed in the 436HP and sounds like everything is close to perfect. Maybe its missing a frequency but that's what I have.

Air Canada is not a Cap+ system, it is a set of conventional repeaters. If it were Cap+ you would find a "rest channel"
burst every 2s on one of the frequencies.

Airport Auth. Cap+ system seems to have only two frequencies with the same DCC=2, so 460.2125 is not one of them.

Dave

 

[IdleMonitor]

461.63875 CC=8 should probably be 461.6375 TAFL Search Results and as noted, it's not a Cap+ System.

I went back to the airport this afternoon and put the following together.
For the
Air Canada System Cap+
460.70000 CC=8
461.63875 CC=8
462.42500 CC=8
TG=1000 Air Canada Baggage Handling Ops
TG=1001
TG=1002 Ground Issues
Slot 1 has been seen.

 

[fmoore]

Software showed Cap+ so that is why I included that. If something makes it not software is making assumptions am I correct? I also logged Airport Authority tags on that frequency which is why I included it as part of the "system." Thanks again for the feedback.