Out Of Range, out of nowhere

[CbusRog]

My G4 has worked flawlessly for three years. Then out of nowhere I get an Out Of Range message on one of the systems I listen to: Ohio MARCS-IP, Franklin County Simulcast.

I have triple checked everything in PPS and reprogrammed several times to no avail. The only possible clue is that the pager’s Receiving Table Info shows WACN ID, System ID, RFSS ID, Site ID, Site Name, and RX as N/A. All the correct values and frequencies are in PPS, but for some reason aren’t getting into the pager. Columbus City and Columbus MARCS work just fine. Any ideas?

Thanks.

 

[blackbelter]

If the pager has been successfully receiving the same system for the past three years, then I could only think the said system has gone through an upgrade or modifications thus the pager behaving differently now.

 

[amys17]

Found this infirmation on another forum.

Columbus City hosts all City of Columbus agencies and most of the suburb police and fire departments, as well as the Sheriff and the suburb PDs they dispatch for (most of them).

Columbus MARCS hosts a few of the suburb police departments as well as most county agencies (COTA, county engineer, etc). The Sheriff can show up there also.

The Franklin County simulcast is going away (if it isn't gone already); it's 700 MHz frequencies have been merged with Columbus MARCS to make a 30-channel site, while the other frequencies are, if the recent licensing actions (WRMU914) are to be believed, being moved to the new Franklin County/Reynoldsburg site out by the Ohio Fire Academy. There are other rather large changes coming due to MARCS having acquired the Franklin County tower sites as mentioned in an earlier message by @amcferrin90.

If your primary goal is listening to Columbus PD and FD as well as suburb police and fire along with the Sheriff, the Columbus City site will do the trick. If you're looking for police in Bexley/Gahanna/New Albany/Whitehall as well as county services, Columbus MARCS is where you want to be.

All city services for Dublin, Hilliard, Worthington, and Upper Arlington are on COIRS, using Site 2 (DubWorHillUA).

 

[llzel]

Ha, how odd, I had an out of range happen the other day, after 1+ year at my house

 

[kb5udf]

Is the CC 700mhz? Any new firstnet sites going up near u?

 

[WX4JCW]

Also try factory reset then reprogram

 

[CbusRog]

Found this infirmation on another forum.

Columbus City hosts all City of Columbus agencies and most of the suburb police and fire departments, as well as the Sheriff and the suburb PDs they dispatch for (most of them).

Columbus MARCS hosts a few of the suburb police departments as well as most county agencies (COTA, county engineer, etc). The Sheriff can show up there also.

The Franklin County simulcast is going away (if it isn't gone already); it's 700 MHz frequencies have been merged with Columbus MARCS to make a 30-channel site, while the other frequencies are, if the recent licensing actions (WRMU914) are to be believed, being moved to the new Franklin County/Reynoldsburg site out by the Ohio Fire Academy. There are other rather large changes coming due to MARCS having acquired the Franklin County tower sites as mentioned in an earlier message by @amcferrin90.

If your primary goal is listening to Columbus PD and FD as well as suburb police and fire along with the Sheriff, the Columbus City site will do the trick. If you're looking for police in Bexley/Gahanna/New Albany/Whitehall as well as county services, Columbus MARCS is where you want to be.

All city services for Dublin, Hilliard, Worthington, and Upper Arlington are on COIRS, using Site 2 (DubWorHillUA).

That would do it. I'll reassign those Franklin County talk groups to the respective Columbus sites and see how it goes. Thanks!

 

[CbusRog]

Got it all sorted out. The Ohio MARCS-IP database still lists the Franklin County Simulcast site frequencies, but the talk group section headings for Franklin County, now well described with tower/talk group associations, makes no mention of the Franklin tower.

 

[amcferrin90]

@amys17 @CbusRog What you may have experienced is what I posted about a couple weeks ago. That the Columbus City control channel changed from the 859.2125 that it's been for a very long time to one of the other control channels. If your pager didn't have the other control channels or the pager didn't search the other control channels, maybe that was the problem? I don't have or have never had a Unification pager so I'm not sure how that device handles control channel changes, programming or roaming. Being that Columbus City IS a MARCS site (tier 4) and not an independent site, it might have roamed?

As for the Franklin County system, at the moment it seems to be a separate system overlayed with MARCS Columbus Simulcast. It's like another node in the system for now. I don't know the plans for the frequencies being reassigned, some to MARCS Columbus and others to what will be the relocated Bixby site. I'm guessing that site will become like Discovery? I just know the radio I have at the moment has MARCS, Columbus and Franklin County all as sites and I can switch between them and use the talk groups I've been assigned. So maybe they haven't executed any changes yet? I'm sure there are people on the forum that know. It will come out in due time.

 

[w2wp_net]

My G4 has worked flawlessly for three years. Then out of nowhere I get an Out Of Range message on one of the systems I listen to: Ohio MARCS-IP, Franklin County Simulcast.

I have triple checked everything in PPS and reprogrammed several times to no avail. The only possible clue is that the pager’s Receiving Table Info shows WACN ID, System ID, RFSS ID, Site ID, Site Name, and RX as N/A. All the correct values and frequencies are in PPS, but for some reason aren’t getting into the pager. Columbus City and Columbus MARCS work just fine. Any ideas?

Thanks.

I just had the same issue start on my g5. I have no problem receiving the system when it worked 25 miles away now OOR message. All other programmed system work fine.
Mark

 

[IAmSixNine]

Systems can change. They can update site status, frequencies, and a number of other changes. If the pager works on other stuff and not that one particular one then the most likely outcome is a change at the site. Time to bust out a scanner or trunker or start asking around. Its way less likely an issue with the Gx device its self.

 

[amcferrin90]

I just checked my radio and Franklin county is not advertised as a site neighbor anymore. There was talks that Franklin county is going to be absorbed into the simulcast site. Franklin county did used to be in my neighbor list. Darby and Discovery and Bixby are still advertised so I would imagine that's what happened.

 

[amcferrin90]

@CbusRog @IAmSixNine and I didn't tag anyone else. I'm short on time at the moment. I checked the 800 channels for Franklin Co and they are inactive, as in not transmiting at all. I checked the 700 channels and they are transmitting voice on occasion. I am seeing some FCSO channels on Columbus MARCS simulcast. FCSO is probably on those now.

You should probably consider moving this over to the Ohio subsection.

 

[blackbelter]

Systems can change. They can update site status, frequencies, and a number of other changes. If the pager works on other stuff and not that one particular one then the most likely outcome is a change at the site. Time to bust out a scanner or trunker or start asking around. Its way less likely an issue with the Gx device its self.

Well said..

 

[w2wp_net]

Systems can change. They can update site status, frequencies, and a number of other changes. If the pager works on other stuff and not that one particular one then the most likely outcome is a change at the site. Time to bust out a scanner or trunker or start asking around. Its way less likely an issue with the Gx device its self.

Spoke to someone 20 miles away and they are having 0 issues.

 

[CbusRog]

The issue has been resolved. Moderator: please close this thread or move it to the Ohio forum. Thanks to all who contributed.

 

[IAmSixNine]

What was the fix?

 

[wa8pyr]

My G4 has worked flawlessly for three years. Then out of nowhere I get an Out Of Range message on one of the systems I listen to: Ohio MARCS-IP, Franklin County Simulcast.

I have triple checked everything in PPS and reprogrammed several times to no avail. The only possible clue is that the pager’s Receiving Table Info shows WACN ID, System ID, RFSS ID, Site ID, Site Name, and RX as N/A. All the correct values and frequencies are in PPS, but for some reason aren’t getting into the pager. Columbus City and Columbus MARCS work just fine. Any ideas?

If you're talking about Site 61 (Franklin County Simulcast), it's been removed from service and it's 700 MHz frequencies combined with the Columbus MARCS Simulcast.

 

[wa8pyr]

My G4 has worked flawlessly for three years. Then out of nowhere I get an Out Of Range message on one of the systems I listen to: Ohio MARCS-IP, Franklin County Simulcast.

I have triple checked everything in PPS and reprogrammed several times to no avail. The only possible clue is that the pager’s Receiving Table Info shows WACN ID, System ID, RFSS ID, Site ID, Site Name, and RX as N/A. All the correct values and frequencies are in PPS, but for some reason aren’t getting into the pager. Columbus City and Columbus MARCS work just fine. Any ideas?

I just checked my radio and Franklin county is not advertised as a site neighbor anymore. There was talks that Franklin county is going to be absorbed into the simulcast site. Franklin county did used to be in my neighbor list. Darby and Discovery and Bixby are still advertised so I would imagine that's what happened.

If you're talking about Site 61 (Franklin County Simulcast), it's been removed from service and it's 700 MHz frequencies combined with the Columbus MARCS Simulcast. Discovery is also being combined with the Columbus MARCS Simulcast, but I don't know if that's happened yet.

 

[amcferrin90]

If you're talking about Site 61 (Franklin County Simulcast), it's been removed from service and it's 700 MHz frequencies combined with the Columbus MARCS Simulcast. Discovery is also being combined with the Columbus MARCS Simulcast, but I don't know if that's happened yet.

Discovery is still in the advertised neighbor list along with Bixby.