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Minitor P25 Paging

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I’m truly wondering if Motorola will come out with a version of the Minitor that receives P25. Has anyone heard any rumors? I know the Minitor 7 was just released. Paging over P25 is starting to pop up more and more it seems. The last county I lived in had it and I thought it was great. Having a Minitor that could receive it would be great. The form factor of a Minitor beats the bulkiness of a Unication by far in my opinion.
 

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Never say never, but...

If they wanted to release a P25/trunking pager, they could've done so with the Minitor 7. They did not. Truth is that they'd rather have you spend $$$$ on an APX with Tone Signaling than put money into developing a P25 capable pager. So far they haven't seemed bothered by the fact that Unication is the only game in town when it comes to a pager form factor that is capable of P25/trunking.
 

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And that’s a shame. There’s no doubt in my mind Motorola could put out a better product than Unication. I don’t see departments especially small volunteer departments giving their members APX’s to use as a pager.

I love my Unication but I hate it at the same time. The screen gets beat up just from carrying it day to day, it’s bulky and I’ve got an antenna jabbing into me. Something in the form of a Minitor would be so much better.
 

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If they did, being motorola, they'd probably make it into a smart device and cost a new phone + minitor x2. I'm going to get whacky thinking they should build their own app, (or buy Iamresponding), and put it into their own LTE5G pager, so LTE5G + 800 P25 and vendor lock:sneaky: Just like now they have the SVX AI speaker mic + bodycam for the NEXT. Get bent axon! You even get a popup on the SVX page for help to apply for bodycam grants! haha
 

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And that’s a shame. There’s no doubt in my mind Motorola could put out a better product than Unication. I don’t see departments especially small volunteer departments giving their members APX’s to use as a pager.

I love my Unication but I hate it at the same time. The screen gets beat up just from carrying it day to day, it’s bulky and I’ve got an antenna jabbing into me. Something in the form of a Minitor would be so much better.
Unication made several generations of the Minitor for Motorola, and two-tone voice pagers are such a small slice of the market compared to two-way voice radios which include that feature that I would not be surprised at all if someone was making Minitors on behalf of Motorola.

Around here, they love Unication; they get a unit much smaller than an APX which will not only do two-tone voice paging, but also allows them to monitor incidents…. for a price that’s something like 80% cheaper than a typical APX. Pretty good value for the money.

And if you’re concerned about screen scratches, here:

 

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Yeah sadly it’s too late for that screen protector. But really my main point in this post was just saying how a P25 pager from Motorola would be nice. Just simply because myself and others I know prefer the size and design of the minitor more.

The Unication definitely is a nice pager and its ability to go from alerting to then switch over and monitor the channel for updates is a great feature.
 

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Tone signalling is as obsolescent as POTS telephone service. (Plain Old Telephone Service) and I'm kind of amazed that in 2025, fire/rescue paging is still done via tone signalling. It's not like digital pagers haven't been a thing for 40 years or so....absolutely paging could be integrated right into the P25 core system if it was deemed a desirable thing to do. Keep your alerting tones for the benefit of the first responders who cue to them like my dog cues to the sound of the refrigerator opening. :cool: But I see no reason not to actually move to digital paging at this point, and the single best reason to do it is to stop having to integrate legacy systems into today's equipment.
 

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Tone signalling is as obsolescent as POTS telephone service. (Plain Old Telephone Service) and I'm kind of amazed that in 2025, fire/rescue paging is still done via tone signalling. It's not like digital pagers haven't been a thing for 40 years or so....absolutely paging could be integrated right into the P25 core system if it was deemed a desirable thing to do. Keep your alerting tones for the benefit of the first responders who cue to them like my dog cues to the sound of the refrigerator opening. :cool: But I see no reason not to actually move to digital paging at this point, and the single best reason to do it is to stop having to integrate legacy systems into today's equipment.
I guess you're not too familiar with the scope of the thousands of volunteer fire/EMS responders there are in the northeast who rely on simple and reliable tone signaling every day. No relying on third party providers or Internet/cell service, just public safety grade local transmitters that have worked for decades. Doesn't matter if it's old school analog paging, analog simulcast paging, or paging over P25 trunking...it's reliable. Yes, there is a place for other types of alerting such as alphanumeric paging or apps like IamResponding, and make no mistake volunteers are making extensive use of those services these days...but again, nothing wakes you up at 0300 quite like a Minitor pager.
 

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I'm talking in the context of a P25 trunked system. Should have been clear about that in my previous post.
Regardless, you still missed the mark. We've got a few towns where all volunteer EMS personnel are issued personal APX portables for the countywide ASTRO 25 TDMA system. All of these radios have the Tone Signaling option, and paging via the trunked system has been the primary means of alerting for over a year, and it works flawlessly. The tones are generated by the system consoles, so there's no analog patch involved that degrades audio. Adding the Tone Signaling option to each radio dwarfed the cost of building out an analog simulcast network for paging, and paging over the simulcast trunked system allows for much greater range of coverage vs the legacy VHF base stations. It's a total win-win.
 

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I'm talking in the context of a P25 trunked system. Should have been clear about that in my previous post.
Unfortunately it doesn’t always work effectively on P25. In cases where a county is covered by multiple sites, you can’t guarantee that the alerting talkgroup will light up all the necessary sites, unless you set it to always light up all of those sites. That’s fine until one or more of the sites is busy when you try to page a run; if that happens the transmission is bonked unless you’ve got it set up for either hot start or all start (I forget which one, think it’s hot start), in which case it‘ll hit the sites it can hit and ignore the others. Then some people might miss the run.

On top of that, there‘s an NFPA recommendation that the alerting system and the voice system be separate. That way if one craps out, you’ve still got the other to use for getting the word out.

We had these issues at my last admin job before I retired (and other counties in Ohio still have the problem); there were just too many variables to worry about, so we elected to repurpose one of our 800 MHz conventional repeaters into a dedicated analog two-tone paging repeater. Worked like a charm (still does) and cost next to nothing; we were even able to program it into the backup zone as a voice repeater so that if the P25 voice system crapped out, we’d have a conventional backup to use, along with the 700 and 800 MHz interop direct frequencies for fireground.

Two-tone paging is still simple, highly effective and relatively inexpensive. High tech/new tech isn’t always the best answer.
 

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On top of that, there‘s an NFPA recommendation that the alerting system and the voice system be separate. That way if one craps out, you’ve still got the other to use for getting the word out.

What part? I haven't interpreted anything in 1221 quite like that. There's stuff about backup and additional paths based on call volume, but I can't recall it needing to be separate.
 

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What part? I haven't interpreted anything in 1221 quite like that. There's stuff about backup and additional paths based on call volume, but I can't recall it needing to be separate.
It’s a recommendation, not a requirement. I forget the number, but I remember seeing and reading it.
 

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It’s a recommendation, not a requirement. I forget the number, but I remember seeing and reading it.
Well nothing is a requirement unless adopted. Anyway, by recommendation do you mean the appendix?
 

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Well nothing is a requirement unless adopted. Anyway, by recommendation do you mean the appendix?
I just don’t remember. I read it and stuck it in the file cabinet in my office; I retired two years ago, it may still be lurking in that file cabinet, unless my successor threw everything out.

We went with the recommendation as it fit in nicely with the variables we were facing, gave us the justification needed (besides cost savings) to go the route we did.
 
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