P25 & Whistler 1040 Issues

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I have a WS1040 its about 10 years old. I live in Brevard Co, Florida. It just went to P25, it appears my scanner won't work.

Any recommendation for a portable scanner that will work with Brevard County, Florida with P25 encryption?
 

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I have a WS1040 its about 10 years old. I live in Brevard Co, Florida. It just went to P25, it appears my scanner won't work.

Any recommendation for a portable scanner that will work with Brevard County, Florida with P25 encryption?

No scanner available will decrypt encryption unfortunately. Even if there was one, it would be illegal to decrypt an encrypted transmission AFAIK in the US.
 

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I have a WS1040 its about 10 years old. I live in Brevard Co, Florida. It just went to P25, it appears my scanner won't work.

Any recommendation for a portable scanner that will work with Brevard County, Florida with P25 encryption?
Brevard County listings in the database shows De on the county towers, which means part time encryped but not always. The 1040 should be picking them up if programmed correctly.


It also lists the system as Phase II, which the WS1040 will not pick up.
 

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All the listed TGs are phase 1, I see nothing as phase 2 except Patch Marine 12

It is listed as P2, so it may be changing over. My state system just changed to P2 and many TGs are listed as P1 though they are slowly changing as radios get re-programmed, new TGs are popping up as TDMA on DSD+ almost daily.
 

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See this forum search on this, Search results for query: encrypted

If you read the system notes, says they will all or are already encrypted.
September 2025: All public safety will be encrypted per county director email.
LE and Fire/EMS have shifted to the new P25 system as of October 2025. Nearly all public safety communications are AES encrypted and not monitorable.
 

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You are not the first one to make that statement as I have said for years that local users have a responsibility to report updates.
The fact that a user uses this site as a Paid Member or Free Member does not matter, they should feel compelled to help others in the area or planning to visit the area or they are just new to the hobby. But several here tell me I am wrong.
 

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You are not the first one to make that statement as I have said for years that local users have a responsibility to report updates.
The fact that a user uses this site as a Paid Member or Free Member does not matter, they should feel compelled to help others in the area or planning to visit the area or they are just new to the hobby. But several here tell me I am wrong.
You're not wrong.
 

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Well that may be true in theory the OP may suffer from simulcast distortion if they're within range of two or more towers on whichever simulcast they're tuned to. In that case they'd be much better off with a Uniden SDS100 or SDS200

Until you consider the reply by @Ronaldski. Would you really want to spend the $600+ for the SDS scanner if the big E is happening?

See this forum search on this, Search results for query: encrypted

If you read the system notes, says they will all or are already encrypted.

 

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Sorry to see that you're going encrypted. Just in case you come across another simulcast system in your area, this might help. I deal with distortion on my 1040 as well. I too have been wanting that SDS100/200 so bad but the price is always out of reach for me. Last month, I decided to try out the SDR route (RTL-SDR v4). The kit was around $45 on Amazon. I wanted to see how my simulcast system would work with them so I ordered another one (needed 2 to cover all the freqs). I have been listening since this morning using SDRTrunk and Trunking Recorder. I have yet to hear ANY distortion. However, I only have 6 aliases open. Not sure if that matters. I'll also add that the 1040 is missing some transmissions that the SDR picks up. Anyways, for under $100, works for me. It could be a fluke or anomoly. I'm sure someone might know. I just wanted to toss that option in the mix for you.
 
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Sorry to see that you're going encrypted. Just in case you come across another simulcast system in your area, this might help. I deal with distortion on my 1040 as well. I too have been wanting that SDS100/200 so bad but the price is always out of reach for me. Last month, I decided to try out the SDR route (RTL-SDR v4). The kit was around $45 on Amazon. I wanted to see how my simulcast system would work with them so I ordered another one (needed 2 to cover all the freqs). I have been listening since this morning using SDRTrunk and Trunking Recorder. I have yet to hear ANY distortion. However, I only have 6 aliases open. Not sure if that matters. I'll also add that the 1040 is missing some transmissions that the SDR picks up. Anyways, for under $100, works for me. It could be a fluke or anomoly. I'm sure someone might know. I just wanted to toss that option in the mix for you.

Oh, SDRs are a fantastic alternative way to listening and much cheaper than a SDS200. I would love to own one too but yeah, that price is out of my range. SDRs can do much of what the SDS200 can do, they just require a little setup and tweaking. They also require one to keep their PC on 24/7 if you expect ot listen 24/7 like I do. That may break some folks with the increasing costs of electric.
I owned the Whistler 1065. There's no simulcast in my area but let me tell you, that 1065 is garbage compared to an SDR at picking up P25 Phase 1. It dropped so many calls, and many other calls were just quiet. Never have any issues with receiving calls on the SDR, other than the occasional choppy audio that I can attribute to local p25 issues, weather. Not the SDR itself.

Note that depending on the bandwidth differentials, you may need more than 1 SDR for certain software like SDRTrunk. OP25 on Linux or, DSD+ Fast Lane ($25 bucks) on Windows can work with 1 SDR regardless of bandwidth, working like a traditional scanner.
 
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