Panhandle/Amarillo thread

[rattlerbb01]

Starting an all encompassing thread for the area.

I am updating most of the counties with the active PANCOM VHF repeaters which are all mixed mode, whether P25 radios are used yet or not. Quite a few updates, and I am trying to get them all done by Monday's database update.

For those in the area, can you clarify some of the Amarillo stuff? Potter County and Amarillo have been using the ARCS Phase 2 system for some time now, so if someone can check the old VHF stuff in the area, such as APD, AFD, EMS, SO, and city services for activity to keep the database current. Submit anything you find that has fully migrated over to ARCS and has left VHF dead air.

 

[rattlerbb01]

Also, if anyone can see, there was conflicting data in the submission about the use of 154.800 in Potter Co. The legacy SO was 127.3 PL, the new ones of 023 DPL said it was the new generic EMS repeater for the North Potter Co location and 047 DPL for Lifestar Air. Might listen to those and see what is active.

 

[nd5y]

Since you are updating all the PANCOM use in each county then it's probably a good idea to get rid of this:

RadioReference Database

The most complete database of radio communications data

www.radioreference.com

If I had the channel names, tones and actual use I (or somebody else) could update this:

Panhandle Regional Interoperable Communication System (PANCOM) - The RadioReference Wiki

wiki.radioreference.com

 

[rattlerbb01]

Since you are updating all the PANCOM use in each county then it's probably a good idea to get rid of this:

RadioReference Database

The most complete database of radio communications data

www.radioreference.com

If I had the channel names, tones and actual use I (or somebody else) could update this:

Panhandle Regional Interoperable Communication System (PANCOM) - The RadioReference Wiki

wiki.radioreference.com

Yes, I will knock that one out when I finish all the counties. There don't appear to be any wide area use tactical frequencies specific to PANCOM as the info I received has the VTACS and FED IRs listed for interoperability.

I do have all the channel aliases as well as the P25 Talkgroups as well, those can be added to the wiki. Many of these repeaters are used for daily operations in the counties, as all the repeaters specific to the SO, FIRE, or EMS in the individual counties use the same input/tone. I know the area up there is pretty flat so I would imagine that a mobile radio and/or dispatch console would probably come through all repeaters pretty clear. Apparently all the consoles have patching/IP25 abilities to link up multiple repeaters as well for incidents, i.e. chases, wildland fires, etc. The way it reads, a dispatcher can patch multiple repeaters along a highway for several counties in an instant, as well as instant message with all the other consoles in the region.

 

[rattlerbb01]

The state agency page has been deleted and all 26 counties have updated information entered. There are a few tower sites that have frequencies already coordinated but have a NOT INSTALLED disclaimer so those have not yet been entered into the database. I will next work on updating the wiki with the PANCOM aliases and the individual P25 talkgroup IDs for each repeater group. Interesting that $61F, or decimal 1567, is the only NAC used on all repeaters. The talkgroup IDs are probably useless for us scanner users, but user radios on the other hand definitely utilize them. Seems like a really robust system for a large area with very few population centers that get exposed to large wildfires and tornadoes seasonally.

 

[nd5y]

I found what appears to be some errors:

Hutchinson County
missing input frequency

159.19500		WQGM884	BM	065 DPL	Hutch EMS Stinnt	EMS Dispatch (Stinnett PANCOM)	FMN	EMS Dispatch
159.19500	153.89750	WQGM884	RM	61F NAC	Hutch EMS Stinnt	EMS Dispatch (Stinnett PANCOM)	P25	EMS Dispatch

Wheeler County
If the inputs are all supposed to be the same then one is wrong

155.57250	158.88000	WQGT208	RM	466 DPL	Wheeler SO South	Sheriff Dispatch (South PANCOM)	FMN	Law Dispatch
155.57250	158.88000	WQGT208	RM	61F NAC	Wheeler SO South	Sheriff Dispatch (South PANCOM)	P25	Law Dispatch
155.58000	155.88000	WPNT656	RM	466 DPL	Wheeler SO North	Sheriff Dispatch (North PANCOM)	FMN	Law Dispatch
155.58000	158.88000	WQGT208	RM	61F NAC	Wheeler SO North	Sheriff Dispatch (North PANCOM)	P25	Law Dispatch

Briscoe County
One of the service tags is wrong

155.31000	WQGJ376	RM	271 DPL	Briscoe SO West	Sheriff Dispatch West (Silverton PANCOM)	FMN	Other
155.31000	WQGJ376	RM	61F NAC	Briscoe SO West	Sheriff Dispatch West (Silverton PANCOM)	P25	Law Dispatch

There is a Four County law interop repeater for Gray, Hemphill, Roberts, Wheeler on 154.725 but that frequency is also shown as Roberts Fire South.

 

[twobytwo]

The Four County Repeater is also listed twice and with two different counties and licenses:
WQGM890-Roberts,Hemphill, Lipscomb,Ochillitree
WQGT208-Roberts,Hemphill , Wheeler,Gray

Also Rattler, a big THANK YOU for updating PANCOM. This system has had me baffled for several years as I make quite a few trips to the Amarillo are often. .

 

[rattlerbb01]

I found what appears to be some errors:

Hutchinson County
missing input frequency

159.19500		WQGM884	BM	065 DPL	Hutch EMS Stinnt	EMS Dispatch (Stinnett PANCOM)	FMN	EMS Dispatch
159.19500	153.89750	WQGM884	RM	61F NAC	Hutch EMS Stinnt	EMS Dispatch (Stinnett PANCOM)	P25	EMS Dispatch

Wheeler County
If the inputs are all supposed to be the same then one is wrong

155.57250	158.88000	WQGT208	RM	466 DPL	Wheeler SO South	Sheriff Dispatch (South PANCOM)	FMN	Law Dispatch
155.57250	158.88000	WQGT208	RM	61F NAC	Wheeler SO South	Sheriff Dispatch (South PANCOM)	P25	Law Dispatch
155.58000	155.88000	WPNT656	RM	466 DPL	Wheeler SO North	Sheriff Dispatch (North PANCOM)	FMN	Law Dispatch
155.58000	158.88000	WQGT208	RM	61F NAC	Wheeler SO North	Sheriff Dispatch (North PANCOM)	P25	Law Dispatch

Briscoe County
One of the service tags is wrong

155.31000	WQGJ376	RM	271 DPL	Briscoe SO West	Sheriff Dispatch West (Silverton PANCOM)	FMN	Other
155.31000	WQGJ376	RM	61F NAC	Briscoe SO West	Sheriff Dispatch West (Silverton PANCOM)	P25	Law Dispatch

There is a Four County law interop repeater for Gray, Hemphill, Roberts, Wheeler on 154.725 but that frequency is also shown as Roberts Fire South.

Thanks for catching those. Will fix.

One big thing I found is that many of the old licenses listed for the counties were expired. Most of these counties have let their legacy frequency licenses go in deference to PANCOM as part of their pact to keep from congesting frequencies. There are some exceptions, and for those that retained licenses with their old PLs already listed, I left those alone and titled them "old" or "legacy." However, many counties already had submissions and at the least some of the analog side of the PANCOM repeaters already listed as being primary ops channels. As for the four county repeater, the only license left with 154.725 was the one used for Roberts Fire (South). This would be interesting for someone to sleuth out, but I doubt we have anyone in the Perryton area on here that could park on the old 4 county freq/PL for weeks to see if it still exists on air. The IP25 consoles have the ability to patch any of the 8 surrounding counties (minus state border counties) together via internet/microwave links, so a 4 county repeater is kind of made obsolete if you ask me.

 

[rattlerbb01]

The Four County Repeater is also listed twice and with two different counties and licenses:
WQGM890-Roberts,Hemphill, Lipscomb,Ochillitree
WQGT208-Roberts,Hemphill , Wheeler,Gray

Also Rattler, a big THANK YOU for updating PANCOM. This system has had me baffled for several years as I make quite a few trips to the Amarillo are often. .

Fixed. As I said, not sure if it is still on the air, but it has been relisted in each county identical. The areawide document also included many of the private channels for the small agencies, road and bridge, jails, VFDs and public works, and the old 4 county repeater was not listed once anywhere. If someone can confirm it is off the air, I will removed it, but better safe than sorry for now.

Yeah, I am planning on dragging the kids, wife and RV up to Palo Duro sometime in 2020. This should smooth things out quite a bit, so I am glad that the info was passed on. It really is a fascinating system they have built out, and probably at a fraction of the cost of a VHF trunk system.

 

[nd5y]

Does your document include Parmer County? It's part of PRPC and there are 4 repeaters licensed there (Friona) but nothing is marked (PANCOM) in the db.

 

[nd5y]

Since Potter and Randall went trunked somebody needs to figure out which VHF/UHF conventional channels are no longer used and submit them as deprecated.

 

[rattlerbb01]

Does your document include Parmer County? It's part of PRPC and there are 4 repeaters licensed there (Friona) but nothing is marked (PANCOM) in the db.

Parmer County has four repeaters that are already coordinated by frequency, but are not installed yet

 

[rattlerbb01]

The wiki page has been updated with frequency (channel) aliases and the respective P25 talkgroups. Added the note that some tower sites serve multiple counties so everything is still listed by tower location. Mainly applies to the BRIQ site that serves Hall (South) and Briscoe (Quitaque) and the ARMS site that serves Armstrong (South) and Randall (Palo Duro).

 

[nd5y]

Does every repeater use 61F NAC?

 

[rattlerbb01]

Does every repeater use 61F NAC?

That is the data I was given. P25 NAC for all repeaters is 1567 decimal. I would guess the use of talkgroups prevents interference, but I am not personally experienced with P25 conventional radios to really know how well it works.

 

[nd5y]

City of Amarillo application for three 800 MHz conventional repeaters.

ULS Application - PubSafty/SpecEmer/PubSaftyNtlPlan,806-817/851-862MHz,Conv - 0009126063 - AMARILLO, CITY OF TEXAS

wireless2.fcc.gov