Parallels for Mac v17 not Moto compatible?

[Anderegg]

I just upgraded my Parallels for Mac from v16 to v17 because I purchased a new M1 Macbook Pro. On my old computer (Intel Macbook Pro) with Windows 7 32 bit, none of my USB to serial adapters work with any CPS, cannot read or write. CPS locks up and forcing them closed BSODs the VM. Tested on XTS3000 and Professional Series and FTID and Profilic that were working fine before the update. Anyone with Parallels have a similar issue? I thought my days of keeping an old dusty Dell laptop laying around for DOS RSS were over.

Paul

 

[Anderegg]

Rollback to v16 provides a bleep and 1 CSQ on old XTS3000 at least, and Professional doesn't BSOD, but then communications failed issues on both. ASTRO25 read a radio sucessfully though. Tested on FTDI and Prolific.

Paul

 

[kg6nlw]

I would honestly ditch Parallels and go with Oracle VirtualBox. It's 10x better and works from everything from XTS3000 and CDM1250's to the APX/MotoTRBO stuff flawlessly for me and a few others.

Regards,

-Frank C.

 

[Anderegg]

I would honestly ditch Parallels and go with Oracle VirtualBox. It's 10x better and works from everything from XTS3000 and CDM1250's to the APX/MotoTRBO stuff flawlessly for me and a few others.

Regards,

-Frank C.

Well, I have the Pro version of Parallels so I can discontinue my "subsription" at any time. Does OVB work on an M1 Macs and is the process to install and get it running complicated? (ie how many days do I need to set aside and how much Tylonol will I need to have on standby)

Paul

 

[kg6nlw]

Installing VB itself is a piece of cake. Installing your preference of Windows is equally as easy. I would leave a day aside for the work. It's pretty simple really compared to Parallels. On the plus side, if you're using a USB-Serial adapter, 99% of them are auto recognized as a COM port and all you have to do is plug it in! I have VB on both my Apple Mac Mini (2011) and a newer laptop along with older XP running on Windows 10 via VB.

Regards,

-Frank C.

 

[Anderegg]

Installing VB itself is a piece of cake. Installing your preference of Windows is equally as easy. I would leave a day aside for the work. It's pretty simple really compared to Parallels. On the plus side, if you're using a USB-Serial adapter, 99% of them are auto recognized as a COM port and all you have to do is plug it in! I have VB on both my Apple Mac Mini (2011) and a newer laptop along with older XP running on Windows 10 via VB.

Regards,

-Frank C.

Thanks Frank. Would Acronis work to transfer a Windows VM from Parallels to OVB, or maybe Windows Image Backup? I don't want to have to deal with Moto do get more 25KHz entitlement keys for my programs already installed lol.

Also, do I want software virtualization version 6.0 or harware version 6.1 for OVB?

Paul

 

[kg6nlw]

Paul,

That one I'm not sure about. This is the official link for VB. Oracle VM VirtualBox They have a great community forum and tech support area. When I first started TONS of questions were answered there. I started my machines from scratch because I knew exactly what I wanted on what machine.

The great thing about the machines is, say you transfer to a new computer, all you have to do is transfer the VB folder from Machine A to Machine B and *EVERYTHING* is already there as if you never switched machines. I've moved my VB-XP around soooo much over the years like that and it works flawlessly.

Regards,

-Frank C.

 

[Anderegg]

VirtualBox installed without issue, Windows 10 is up and running...in a TINY box in the center of my screen surrounded by black when in full screen. No access to my Mac hard drive, and no access to install CPS from external media either. This is about as easy to configure as Linux or a Hackintosh...I can see why Parallels is so popular.

On the plus side it just sucessfully read my CDM1550 with a clean unactivated copy of Windows 10 32 bit

Paul

 

[kg6nlw]

You can manually re-adjust the screen size. Mine takes up the whole desktop screen when I use it. The *one* thing about external drives is you have to set them up manually.

With the VB turned off, click Settings at the top, Go to Shared Folders and add your external folders/drives there. Make sure Auto-Mount and Full Access are enabled and then start the machine. They will show up as "extra" drives (D/E/F/G/etc.,).

Regards,

-Frank C.

 

[mikewazowski]

Parallels 17 works fine for me with APX CPS.

 

[Anderegg]

Just tried a fresh clean install of Windows 10 32 bit, same ISO as clean install for Virtualbox, on Parallels v17. Attempting to read my CDM1550...no luck...Parallels is useless for XTS3000, Astro Spectra, Professional, and who knows what other older Moto CPS. ASTRO25 and APX and everything that runs on Windows 64 bit still runs on v17. Virtualbox is 100% NOT compatible with my new Macbook arriving in a few days.

Mike, can you get Bluetooth programming to work for APX in Parallels? A few years ago they updated and that functionality was lost to me.

Paul

 

[mikewazowski]

Sorry but I don't use Bluetooth programming.

I think the problem most likely is your usb to serial device. I had issues with a weather station that uses a converter which worked fine for years. This past weekend it refused to talk to Parallels. I verified the adaptor was working with a Windows laptop and I verified it would work on the Mac side. It just refused to work on Parallels.

Finally found an article from Parallels that shows how to add a serial device using a USB adaptor hooked up to the Mac side of the computer. My Mac sees it as /dev/cu.usbserial and I can add it as a serial device in my Windows config menu.

Here's a link to the article: Adding a Serial Port

So now my adaptor is hooked up to the Mac side and appears on the Windows side as COM1 in the Device Manager.

 

[Anderegg]

Sorry but I don't use Bluetooth programming.

I think the problem most likely is your usb to serial device. I had issues with a weather station that uses a converter which worked fine for years. This past weekend it refused to talk to Parallels. I verified the adaptor was working with a Windows laptop and I verified it would work on the Mac side. It just refused to work on Parallels.

Finally found an article from Parallels that shows how to add a serial device using a USB adaptor hooked up to the Mac side of the computer. My Mac sees it as /dev/cu.usbserial and I can add it as a serial device in my Windows config menu.

Here's a link to the article: Adding a Serial Port

So now my adaptor is hooked up to the Mac side and appears on the Windows side as COM1 in the Device Manager.

HOLY CRAP MIKE YOUR A GENIUS!!!!

I just went into hardware and did the + sing and selected serial port and just selected the currently attached Prolific dongle and WHAM, read straight off. They must have detached this functionality from being default applied in the v17 upgrade process. I love you man 🥰
Paul

 

[Anderegg]

Working with >>>64 bit<<< Windows 10 as well

 

[Anderegg]

OK, I think I may have a bigger problem. Seems like Parallels will not run Windows 7 at all on an M1 Mac, and will not run Windows 10 except the special ARM version. Windows 11 doesn't have a 32 bit version.

APX, TRBO, ASTRO25, XTS3000, Professional...will ANY of these CPS run on much less be able to read or write to a radio on ARM Windows 10 or 11? I feel so old now...like decades ago when I had to hunt down 286 CPUs and deal with runtime errors and HIMEM just to run RSS. "Back in my day we could program Phase 2 AES256 using the Bluetooth built in to our dinsaurs!"

Paul

 

[marcotor]

OK, I think I may have a bigger problem. Seems like Parallels will not run Windows 7 at all on an M1 Mac, and will not run Windows 10 except the special ARM version. Windows 11 doesn't have a 32 bit version.
Paul

It's unlikely an x86 Windows version is ever going to run on an x64 ARM processor from Apple, Microsoft, or anyone else. Maybe someone will write something one day, but as far as I know, there are no plans for an x86 emulator for x64 ARM. Even the Windows ARM implementation of x64 Windows is emulation, not virtualization. You're going to be stuck with whatever x64 emulation Microsoft stuffs into Windows for ARM (if they even release that for sale after the Beta completes - I will say it's come a long long way from the first builds), and that's it.

x86 is is on life support now, and will soon be dead. Might want to invest in a i5 laptop or something for legacy. Or wait for Mother M to release their ARM software for APX, so you can pay $499 for 3 years to be a beta tester.

 

[Anderegg]

Just as I figure out how to run all my old 32 bit CPS on a single Windows 11 64 bit VM the new M1 Apple SOC kills my joy...

 

[wa8pyr]

OK, I think I may have a bigger problem. Seems like Parallels will not run Windows 7 at all on an M1 Mac, and will not run Windows 10 except the special ARM version. Windows 11 doesn't have a 32 bit version.

Yep, learned that one the hard way myself. Can't run anything but ARM on the Mac M1 processor without an emulator. I'm using UTM with the Windoze ARM version of Win10, seems to work OK with one flaw: I can't seem to get the video to cooperate so I can get full-screen display. The VM seems to think it's running on a 640x480 display or something along those lines, and I have been unable to figure out how to update the video driver to fix it.

On the plus side, the whole thing was free, didn't have to pay gobs of money for Parallels. Just need to take some more time to figure out the video issue. I have a Toughbook I can use for radio programming so it hasn't been a critical issue so far.

 

[Anderegg]

Anyone aware of any changes to the ARM Windows for Parallels for Motorola compatibility? My i9 16" "space-heater with fan booster" is wearing on my nerves.

Paul

 

[wa8pyr]

Anyone aware of any changes to the ARM Windows for Parallels for Motorola compatibility? My i9 16" "space-heater with fan booster" is wearing on my nerves.

Nope. I tried getting it to work (both Windows 10 and Windows 11 for ARM), and no joy. USB wouldn't cooperate, so I finally gave up. Still using my 2018 Mini with VMWare Fusion and Windows 7 on the other desk, works just fine.

Besides the ugly UI on Windows 11, the IT guys at work told me that Micro$oft didn't exactly bust their humps ensuring that many USB devices and drivers will still work (never mind that USB is supposed to be a standard), so even they don't recommend using it, and they're usually the first ones to demand switching to a new Windoze OS in the name of security.

Looks to me like Micro$oft is continuing their proud tradition of following up a decently functional OS with a dud:

Windows XP - Decent
Windows Vista - Dud
Windows 7 - Excellent
Windows 8 - Dud
Windows 10 - Decent
Windows 11 - Dud (so far)

I rate Windows 10 as decent despite it constantly phoning home to the mothership to let them know every move you make, and the mandatory forced updates which often replace perfectly good drivers with "better" Micro$oft drivers (that one caught my programming laptop twice, forcing me to return to the shop and reinstall CPS and it's drivers).

I sure do wish Moneyrola, Harris et al would make Mac and/or Linux versions of their programming software....