Philly H-A-S-T-E ctcss tones?

[fourthhorseman]

so whats the deal,im listining philly fd,so when medic switches to send out the HASTE alert i hear the tones,
they end,and around the last 8-10 seconds of the TX i regularly will see 2 ct tones come up,,

im using a 106,it dose not do fire tone outs,,

heres what ive seen thus far,,
on 47.54FM

and CT's of,
218.1
192.8
118.8
74.4
159.8

 

[n3obl]

I suspect it is different PL's to raise the different hospitals. Out on the western part of the state.. we use 155.400 with a whole slew of PL's

Frank

 

[jcardani]

These are not CTCSS tones, they 2-tone paging (Uniden Fire Tone Outs).

 

[fourthhorseman]

OK,
ill buy that,no arguement,
BTW im hearing this on PhillyFD
SYS-B

but im very curious,
in the guide the tones are
listed like .0567

and on the 106 they are
coming up as CT:123.1
after a short while in SQ.
SEARCH mode..

so im not doubting that they are
the tones for the HASTE system
but im not getting the conversion..

 

[jcardani]

The haste system is carrier squelch voice, there is no PL tone. Only the paging tones before the announcement are the 2-tone FTOs that I list in the guide. The radio must be trying to guess at a CTCSS tone dring the FTO tones abd that is what you are seeing.

 

[saber2k5]

It has been my experience that scanners that can detect PL tones will typically display a range of "false" PL tone frequencies when the channel is purely carrier squelch. The HASTE system is definitely CS only.

 

[fourthhorseman]

Ahh,,
this is what i was thinking it was,..sounds exactly like whats happening..
radio recieves and after a few seconds starts displaying varying tones..

aw-shuxx..looks like ive been logging those tones for nada..

 

[Starion1]

Joe's response is correct. Although (in my opinion) the system is antiquated, it does serve as a citywide hospital notification announcement of incoming trauma cases to various EDs (Emergency Departments) that participate in the HASTE system. One-way broadcast over the air and can be monitored via carrier-squelch (no tone) over conventional scanners.

I must say that over the past 20 years or so the popularity of the the system has been on and off by PFD dispatchers as well as medical personnel in the various EDs. Most EDs throughout the city place their HASTE units in a mode that bypasses the tone-out tones altogether so that they can monitor activity en-route to other EDs throughout the city. Kinda like snooping in to the EMS activity in the city.

It's takes time out of a dispatcher's duties to make the announcement. Probably better off having the paramedic place a EMS-to-Hospital call direct via radio (Wasn't that the reason $50+ million was spent on a new state-of-the-art radio comm system) similar to what is currently being done in the suburban comm centers.

As far as Philadelphia FD goes, the HASTE serves as a quick notification to those departments that have a need to know but most of the vital information is now done via cellphones now.

 

[jaymatt1978]

oops posted inwrong thread sorry:lol:

 

[NUGEN]

Any idea whether these have changed or not since the inception of the P25 system?

 

[CommJunkie]

No, the HASTE system remains unchanged.

 

[fourthhorseman]

Still up and going..,,was at H-U-P a few nights back..heard the tone outs in the ER...seemingly its a lo maintenance set up..and im imagining FM47.54 is well TX'd & RX'd citywide...going p25 has little
upside,in my opinion...other than for MOTO to sell more hardware to outfit the cities ER's.

 

[chankel]

From what I've heard, and correct me if I'm wrong, Philly still doesn't use EMD protocols...

With their new Phase II system I can't figure why they would take the time to deal with cell phones or HASTE when they could have strapped encrypted talkgroups for medical consultation. Why encrypted? So you can pass patient name and identifying information without violating HIPPA. That was something myself and everyone else had to be careful of way back when I used EMRC's UHF system (in Maryland, which dates me...) as it was and still is in the clear AFAIK.

Now, even so, I would *not* do away with HASTE but keep it as a backup to the TRS and for MCI alerting.
It takes longer to dial a phone number than it does to change the channel on your radio to the medical control frequency or talkgroup, and on an expanded capacity system each hospital could have its own talkgroup, as well as an all call. Granted there are a lot more hospitals in Philly than in, say, Allentown or Bethlehem. Allentown does have dedicated EDACS TG's for medical consultation though...

But I'm digressing. I still hear HASTE every time I am in or around Philly and have the scanner on, usually with the trauma notifications.

 

[W7FDX]

The problem with giving patient name and identity even over an encrypted TG is that if there is a person in earshot of the radio that is not directly involved in that patient's care a HIPAA violation has occurred.

 

[mlmummert]

Why would you give a patient's name and identity over the radio? If you're taking me to the hospital, can you let them know what's wrong with me rather then my name, social security number, bank card PIN, etc?

 

[W7FDX]

Why would you give a patient's name and identity over the radio? If you're taking me to the hospital, can you let them know what's wrong with me rather then my name, social security number, bank card PIN, etc?

That was the point of my previous post. I have been in EMS for 6 years and when you give a report via radio all you are supposed to say is the patients age, gender, chief complaint, vitals and treatments given.

 

[mlmummert]

That was the point of my previous post. I have been in EMS for 6 years and when you give a report via radio all you are supposed to say is the patients age, gender, chief complaint, vitals and treatments given.

Agreed.

 

[W7FDX]

And at least in my area we are moving away from the med radio and primarily use cell phones except where there is no cell service.