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Tophtoh

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I have a question about PL and DPL. How do they decide what to use, PL or DPL? I've noticed most police departments use PL, ex: ours is 173.8. So my next question is, is how do they decide what PL to use? Do PD's have a certain range of PL's they can use?
 
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nmfire10

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If there are others on the frequency within any reasonable distance (0-100 Miles maybe), then some homework should be done to make sure you have DIFFERENT PL tones. You might not hear them on the ground but 300' up on a tower, it might come in weak but enough to break squelch. You don't want to randomly pick the same PL as the other users.

Other than that, you can pick whatever PL or DPL you want. I'm a fan of DPL due of the turn-off code being universal. PL has a different reverse-burst for different manufactueres.
 
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nmfire10 said:
If there are others on the frequency within any reasonable distance (0-100 Miles maybe), then some homework should be done to make sure you have DIFFERENT PL tones. You might not hear them on the ground but 300' up on a tower, it might come in weak but enough to break squelch. You don't want to randomly pick the same PL as the other users.

Other than that, you can pick whatever PL or DPL you want. I'm a fan of DPL due of the turn-off code being universal. PL has a different reverse-burst for different manufactueres.

CTCSS has a stadardized "reverse burst", some manufactures just implement it poorly.
 

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N_Jay said:
nmfire10 said:
If there are others on the frequency within any reasonable distance (0-100 Miles maybe), then some homework should be done to make sure you have DIFFERENT PL tones. You might not hear them on the ground but 300' up on a tower, it might come in weak but enough to break squelch. You don't want to randomly pick the same PL as the other users.

Other than that, you can pick whatever PL or DPL you want. I'm a fan of DPL due of the turn-off code being universal. PL has a different reverse-burst for different manufactueres.

CTCSS has a stadardized "reverse burst", some manufactures just implement it poorly.

No, there ARE different specs for the RB. Some use 180 degrees phase shift - others use 120 degrees. The duration is different, too.

Joe M.
 
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Voyager said:
N_Jay said:
nmfire10 said:
If there are others on the frequency within any reasonable distance (0-100 Miles maybe), then some homework should be done to make sure you have DIFFERENT PL tones. You might not hear them on the ground but 300' up on a tower, it might come in weak but enough to break squelch. You don't want to randomly pick the same PL as the other users.

Other than that, you can pick whatever PL or DPL you want. I'm a fan of DPL due of the turn-off code being universal. PL has a different reverse-burst for different manufactueres.

CTCSS has a stadardized "reverse burst", some manufactures just implement it poorly.

No, there ARE different specs for the RB. Some use 180 degrees phase shift - others use 120 degrees. The duration is different, too.

Joe M.

I would have to do some digging, but I thought the EIA/TIA standardized it.
 

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N_Jay said:
Voyager said:
N_Jay said:
nmfire10 said:
If there are others on the frequency within any reasonable distance (0-100 Miles maybe), then some homework should be done to make sure you have DIFFERENT PL tones. You might not hear them on the ground but 300' up on a tower, it might come in weak but enough to break squelch. You don't want to randomly pick the same PL as the other users.

Other than that, you can pick whatever PL or DPL you want. I'm a fan of DPL due of the turn-off code being universal. PL has a different reverse-burst for different manufactueres.

CTCSS has a stadardized "reverse burst", some manufactures just implement it poorly.

No, there ARE different specs for the RB. Some use 180 degrees phase shift - others use 120 degrees. The duration is different, too.

Joe M.

I would have to do some digging, but I thought the EIA/TIA standardized it.

I would be interested if you can find it. If you do, let me know if it's Motorola or Kenwood's format that is 'correct'.

Joe M.
 
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N_Jay

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1. EIA-220-A
Minimum Standard for Land Mobile Communications Continuous Tone-Controlled Squelch Systems (CTCSS) (superceded by EIA-220-B) Mar. 1979

2. EIA-220-B
Minimum Standard for Land Mobile Communications Continuous Tone-Controlled Squelch Systems (CTCSS) (withdrawn May, 1994)
 

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N_Jay said:
1. EIA-220-A
Minimum Standard for Land Mobile Communications Continuous Tone-Controlled Squelch Systems (CTCSS) (superceded by EIA-220-B) Mar. 1979

2. EIA-220-B
Minimum Standard for Land Mobile Communications Continuous Tone-Controlled Squelch Systems (CTCSS) (withdrawn May, 1994)

OK, so there was a standard for a time, but no longer?

I only found a few links to that doc. One (TIA) wants me to BUY the doc. Another is for an encoder/decoder that says it meets EIA-220-B, but doesn't say it has reverse burst at all. I wonder if the 220 doc only specifies tone frequencies, tolerances, and means of rejecting voice frequencies, but is silent on the issue of Reverse Burst.

Joe M.
 
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Voyager said:
N_Jay said:
1. EIA-220-A
Minimum Standard for Land Mobile Communications Continuous Tone-Controlled Squelch Systems (CTCSS) (superceded by EIA-220-B) Mar. 1979

2. EIA-220-B
Minimum Standard for Land Mobile Communications Continuous Tone-Controlled Squelch Systems (CTCSS) (withdrawn May, 1994)

OK, so there was a standard for a time, but no longer?

Joe M.

Wow, did not even notice the "Withdrawn"

I don't think this has been repealed.
 
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nmfire10

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I can assure there is a reverse burst difference among various manufacturers. DPL turn-off code however is the same. Plus, the turn-off code does have a little thump kind of noise that just sounds neat. I like it a lot more than inconsistant reverse burst.
 
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