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SKEYGEN

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richardc63 said:
I'm sorry Skeygen but anyone who would butcher a perfectly good transceiver to use it as a scanner has seriously too much money to burn...

It hasn't been good since I had it - I got it for $100 + postage because the RF board is dead. I intend to keep it as a spare parts unit, because the vocoder, LCD, controller etc are all still good. For the cost of those parts, it's a steal anyway. In the meantime, it's a scanner.

richardc63 said:
For a start if the radio doesn't affiliate then chances are that you may be missing interesting traffic that is not affiliated to the site you are listening too.

Same as any scanner.

If you're affiliated to a Canberra GRN site, you likely won't hear much from Sydney Water, for example.

richardc63 said:
The first advantage of a real trunk scanner- being able to monitor multiple sites & decode talkgroup ids so that conversations can be far more effectively followed than on an unaffiliated handheld radio.

Doesn't matter in my case - I can only receive one GRN site from my place, and the bastard body corporate says no antennas. I hope to move out of there soon though.

richardc63 said:
And I am curious about what specs a hndheld beats a quality scanner in that cannot be overcome by using a decent external antenna system.

Resistance to IMD, and a lower sensitivity to desense thanks to better (or even existent) front end filtering.

richardc63 said:
Ummm.... connecting handhelds to external antennas.... you might get a rude shock about its REAL performance.

But to each his own- I really don't care all that much so long as the radio does not (EVER) affiliate to the network. The problem is that many people don't realise their radios DO (certainly yours doesn't).

Exactly. Unfortunately, few people know enough about Motorola equipment to prevent their radios from doing so while keeping them functional.

I purchased an MTS 2000 from a guy in western Sydney on eBay in 2005 (initials NB for those who know who I'm talking about.) The radio arrived with both transmit and receive control channel frequencies programmed in, set up for auto affiliation and Omnilink with RID 700001.

The seller was adamant that because the RID was set to 700001, it would not affiliate. This, of course was not the case, and he continued to sell similar radios to unknowing others as "GRN receive only", that is, until he got booted off for ripping a bloke off for a very substantial amount of money.

He appears to have continued pulling the same 700001 stunt until very recently, when his XTS 5000 got inhibited, because the GRN staff finally fired up Zone Manager and added it to the inhibit-on-sight list. Amusingly for me, and unfortunately for him, you can't revive a 5k nearly as easy as older radios.
 

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"You can't revive an XTS5000 easily"

Which is why I would not bother trying to get a Motorola radio onto the MMR! (P25 trunked network here in Melbourne)

OK- I can get an XTS radio from Ebay- they are easy enough to procure- and suppose I even can get the necessary CPS to program said radio. I wonder what the life expectancy would be when I turned it on and let it loose on the network. Of course I would have the necessary NAC and talkgroup ID's- and SYS key! (Yah right!)

Even given a radio with no PA, loaded TX VCO- as pointed out, un-affilated with the network- I won't here squat on my chosen talkgroup unless a legit unit is affiliated with the site I am currently hearing. Someone please correct me here- unless a trunked P25 radio is affiliated- no traffic will be heard???

There is no doubt that a properly aligned and tuned trunked radio will out perform a scanner- but on a pure P25 trunked system, no other method other than a scanner is better for multi site and multi talkgroup listening. There is no possibilty of being inhibited or causing rogue ISW traffic.

I would like nothing more than an XTS5000, XTL5000 or ASIII with fire talkgroups programmed- but I don't have $2500 to spend on one radio that can scan 10 or so talkgroups at most.

The same money (less actually) has got me a PRO96, UBCD396T and a UBC996T that will do as many TG ID's as necessary, and some filtering (notch and bandpass) with a correct banded antenna- excellent results are possible.

Police are encrypted on the network fulltime- so forget listening- XTS or not.

I am simply not prepared to risk the consequences of owning/programming such a radio.


As far as Tetra goes- when Smartnet type II analogue bites the dust- my employer will be upgrading to such a system, when I do not know.
Here in Melbourne- there is some use of Ericsson Provoice- maybe a competing system?
As to the users of Tetra (read Zeon @ 800Mhz)- I have no idea who could be trialling it.
The slow demise of analogue will surely show who has gone digital in the near future.

Stupid thing is- I still cannot bare to let go of my UBC9000XLT and UBC780XLT (X2)!!!

Commscanaus!
 

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commscanaus said:
Hi Richard,


Anyway- given the loss of the emergency services- I listen to Marine, Airband, HF, and plenty of amateur radio- but the hams can be mind numbing to listen to sometimes.

Regards, Commscanaus.



I listen to the country cops on the 163-165 MHZ range and Ambos. It helps with my withdrawal from listening to Metro Police somwewhat. I havent been able to find the Firies though. I also listen to the airband, some sort of radio telephones at approx 166-167MHZ and cordless phones at approx 30-31MHZ (Although 99.9% of the time they are a cure for insomnia). I agree with you about the Hams but sometimes I find them mildly interesting when im working on something and I just leave them on in the background.

I havent been able to find marine transmissions either, but im looking.
 

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OZ_Redneck said:
I havent been able to find marine transmissions either, but im looking.

Marine is roughly between 155Mhz and 160Mhz. But if you are not near the coast you won't get them to well. ARemember this is marine, and boats are on the water, which is sea level, which unless your in a submarine is as low as you can go just about to transmit a radio transmission. So you either need to be up very high, or fairly close to hear them.
Any hills, cities, owns or trees between you and the water and they are gone.
 

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OZ_Redneck said:
G'Day everyone.

What's the deal with the Police going to digital? Has this happened in every state yet and what frequencies do they operate on?

Does anyone know of a "bargain" digital scanner? All the ones i've seen are at least $800.


Thanks


It's ready to go, all the NSW frequencies you could want, you'll hear the police not cellular phones, it's interesting listening...

I've put it on EBAY
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI...837&rd=1&rd=1 In perfect condition.. Cheers
 
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setting up vhf trunking

scannsw said:
Marine is roughly between 155Mhz and 160Mhz. But if you are not near the coast you won't get them to well. ARemember this is marine, and boats are on the water, which is sea level, which unless your in a submarine is as low as you can go just about to transmit a radio transmission. So you either need to be up very high, or fairly close to hear them.
Any hills, cities, owns or trees between you and the water and they are gone.
hi there scan nsw ,good afternoon to you i have a pro94 95 2067 and a 996t uniden. i was wondering if the 94 or 95 can be set up for vhf hi trunking. i was told with the 2067 you cant , the 94 or 95 you may how to if so do you know the freq and the offsets etc .thanks in advance dave nsw
 

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do you think rural vic will go digital encrypted aswell even through they have to cover such a large area ect. vkc wan to wallan. there analouge radio barley work so how the hell will digital worl. also i think a lot more of the public should stand up to this. its basically allowing police corruption and part of he new world order go unseen under the radar. so its ok for the police to monitor us and we cant monitor them seems a bit sus dont you think. as soon as the whole of austrlaia has gone fully encryted i can guarantee you this will be a police country and all freedom will be lost. other country's are also using digital encrypted systems. so therefore this will be a start or a part of the new world order. people need to stand up for there rights and there should be a law suit opened. encrypting police radio is just making them look more suspicous. and now they can get away with bashing and killing civilans. some might call me an idiot for even sayin such things but trust me its happening. if they had nothing to hide then why would they care about he punlic listening. its got nothing to do with crims listening to scanners cause 98% of scanner users are hobbyists and Hams most crims dont have the first clue how to use a scanner
 

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do you think rural vic will go digital encrypted aswell even through they have to cover such a large area ect. vkc wan to wallan. there analouge radio barley work so how the hell will digital worl. also i think a lot more of the public should stand up to this. its basically allowing police corruption and part of he new world order go unseen under the radar. so its ok for the police to monitor us and we cant monitor them seems a bit sus dont you think. as soon as the whole of austrlaia has gone fully encryted i can guarantee you this will be a police country and all freedom will be lost. other country's are also using digital encrypted systems. so therefore this will be a start or a part of the new world order. people need to stand up for there rights and there should be a law suit opened. encrypting police radio is just making them look more suspicous. and now they can get away with bashing and killing civilans. some might call me an idiot for even sayin such things but trust me its happening. if they had nothing to hide then why would they care about he punlic listening. its got nothing to do with crims listening to scanners cause 98% of scanner users are hobbyists and Hams most crims dont have the first clue how to use a scanner

I agree with most of what you said so I'll just say the following:

1. Many criminals and related organizations are not as dumb as you think and are very well informed about radio technology, amongst other things, so programming a scanner is not a problem for them

2. There is no need for the Police services to use full time encryption on their general duties comms. It's blatant overkill and destroys any sense of accountability and transparency

3. Australia is *already* a Police state! It's getting worse now re: data retention laws - total crock and illegal eavesdropping but oh we must stop those box-cutters er ..terrorists !
 
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