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POLL: Should Military/Federal Trunked Radio Data be posted?
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jbsarandolphmonitor
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I say keep posting the information. If they didn't want us to listen to them they should have gone ddigital or to a band where scanners and radios can't hear them.
Donald Harkins
Donald Harkins
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I look at it like this: If the radio waves are going through my body, and they're in analog mode, it's fair game for monitoring. Even in digital mode (With the new Uniden models coming soon), they're still fair game. If you don't want people to monitor your system(s), wither use the Encryption that is generally part of most Military radio systems or go to NexTel.
If Military radio administrators have time to whine about public information on here, they have time to train their personnel on proper use of the radio systems. That means, if you have sensitive or classified information to convey to another person(s), use encryption. Plain and simple.
For any/all Military/Federal radio system admins reading this, learn how to use the options available in your system and let the people that pay your paycheck continue to pay it and listen to what their tax dollars are being used for.
If Military radio administrators have time to whine about public information on here, they have time to train their personnel on proper use of the radio systems. That means, if you have sensitive or classified information to convey to another person(s), use encryption. Plain and simple.
For any/all Military/Federal radio system admins reading this, learn how to use the options available in your system and let the people that pay your paycheck continue to pay it and listen to what their tax dollars are being used for.
kf4lhp
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Posting Mil/Fed System Info
I, for one (and being in the majority) feel that the information should be posted - and here's why.
If it's this easy for us to get it, it's also that easy for the bad guys to get it and misuse it. If the administrators of these systems think that asking people not to post details (i.e. frequencies, talkgroups and such) will keep their system secure, they need to dig their heads out of the sand and pay attention. Security by obscurity doesn't work - ask any computer network or server administrator. It is NOT hard to find military or federal trunking systems - we know the spectrum in which they are located, the data channels are easy to find, and once you find it you can sit on it with programs like Trunker and it becomes almost effortless to find new talkgroups as they come into use.
The options to secure wireless communications are out there - spread spectrum, encryption on analog transmissions, encryption on digital transmissions, and so forth. The police department here in Chattanooga, TN has analog SECURENET encryption on their handhelds, and they use it from time to time. So why don't the federal and military agencies who are concerned about people hearing their radio traffic use similar technologies?
So, I say post it. Maybe it will help make these administrators realize the insecurity of their communications networks and take steps to help prevent the wrong people from learning critical information.
I, for one (and being in the majority) feel that the information should be posted - and here's why.
If it's this easy for us to get it, it's also that easy for the bad guys to get it and misuse it. If the administrators of these systems think that asking people not to post details (i.e. frequencies, talkgroups and such) will keep their system secure, they need to dig their heads out of the sand and pay attention. Security by obscurity doesn't work - ask any computer network or server administrator. It is NOT hard to find military or federal trunking systems - we know the spectrum in which they are located, the data channels are easy to find, and once you find it you can sit on it with programs like Trunker and it becomes almost effortless to find new talkgroups as they come into use.
The options to secure wireless communications are out there - spread spectrum, encryption on analog transmissions, encryption on digital transmissions, and so forth. The police department here in Chattanooga, TN has analog SECURENET encryption on their handhelds, and they use it from time to time. So why don't the federal and military agencies who are concerned about people hearing their radio traffic use similar technologies?
So, I say post it. Maybe it will help make these administrators realize the insecurity of their communications networks and take steps to help prevent the wrong people from learning critical information.
Julian1
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Fed Military Freq & Talkgroups
I think we all respect the need when it arises for secure communications by our men and women who risk their lives for our freedom and safety....be they military or law enforcement.
But.....there is nothing wrong with listening to them. If they felt the need for absolutely secure communications, they'd encrypt like I believe FBI, DEA, Sec Serv, ATF, CIA and heavens knows what other agencies do when the situation calls for it.
If I'm not mistaken, there has been technology that actually takes a conversation and while the transmission is in progress, actually switches freq's several times a second.....making scanning a nightmare. That's even assuming such a system would use freq's that scanners can reach.
Thank for all the good info from so many folks....it's a big help.
And God Bless the USA!
Best Regards,
Julian Davis
Lagrange, GA
I think we all respect the need when it arises for secure communications by our men and women who risk their lives for our freedom and safety....be they military or law enforcement.
But.....there is nothing wrong with listening to them. If they felt the need for absolutely secure communications, they'd encrypt like I believe FBI, DEA, Sec Serv, ATF, CIA and heavens knows what other agencies do when the situation calls for it.
If I'm not mistaken, there has been technology that actually takes a conversation and while the transmission is in progress, actually switches freq's several times a second.....making scanning a nightmare. That's even assuming such a system would use freq's that scanners can reach.
Thank for all the good info from so many folks....it's a big help.
And God Bless the USA!
Best Regards,
Julian Davis
Lagrange, GA
Stephen Mc Clure
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Personally, and Only Personally. There is a right and Wrong way to Do anything. I believe the Info concerning Government Communications Posted here is The proper way of doing it if it's to be done. Our Moderators Keep up with the Board and it's Users Very well and seem to be on top of most all business. as not entirly the Case other places.
Where should somone draw the Line on Freedom of Information I can't answer. Some info should be censored, specificly Microwave communications, and Highly classified stuff one would only find By Illegally Breaking into a Government Computer. But for Trunking and the UHF/VHF PL toned stuff. why even Bother to Hide it.
Is there too Much Info Passed throughout our country to Other's, Maybe. Do we as Americans Share too Much without thinking of the Consequences? Maybe. But we DO Have that Right. though we may not if thing's continue as they are. The Key question in my mind is what will we consider to keep these right's? Maybe Having restricted access to Verified Users of Top Grade stuff? Idunno. what ever the Case I would strongly Think about what Info is being passed to Who Today, as opposed to 3 years ago. If you look at it from this angle. The United Stated Security Was Breached and We Never saw it comming. But who's to Blame? If some Commie didn't get his Info here, he did get it from somwhere else. Tough Question.
Personally, and Only Personally. There is a right and Wrong way to Do anything. I believe the Info concerning Government Communications Posted here is The proper way of doing it if it's to be done. Our Moderators Keep up with the Board and it's Users Very well and seem to be on top of most all business. as not entirly the Case other places.
Where should somone draw the Line on Freedom of Information I can't answer. Some info should be censored, specificly Microwave communications, and Highly classified stuff one would only find By Illegally Breaking into a Government Computer. But for Trunking and the UHF/VHF PL toned stuff. why even Bother to Hide it.
Is there too Much Info Passed throughout our country to Other's, Maybe. Do we as Americans Share too Much without thinking of the Consequences? Maybe. But we DO Have that Right. though we may not if thing's continue as they are. The Key question in my mind is what will we consider to keep these right's? Maybe Having restricted access to Verified Users of Top Grade stuff? Idunno. what ever the Case I would strongly Think about what Info is being passed to Who Today, as opposed to 3 years ago. If you look at it from this angle. The United Stated Security Was Breached and We Never saw it comming. But who's to Blame? If some Commie didn't get his Info here, he did get it from somwhere else. Tough Question.
quicksilver
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I am with the majority, if they don't want you to hear then they should encrypt it.
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Milnet/Fednet
It doesn't matter if the info is posted as its public info mostly. And as to the security of the systems.. well they have brilliant programs and programmers who can set ops comms that you and i will never be able to listen to.. and DES is no longer the standard since it proved breakable by genius hackers. The new stuff is soo insanely untouchable that even the trained US Army and CIA Cryptologists/Hackers/Communications "specialists" are having trouble breaking thier own system. That makes it safe in my mind.
Love the site btw.. used to check it long ago and its gotten better and better!
It doesn't matter if the info is posted as its public info mostly. And as to the security of the systems.. well they have brilliant programs and programmers who can set ops comms that you and i will never be able to listen to.. and DES is no longer the standard since it proved breakable by genius hackers. The new stuff is soo insanely untouchable that even the trained US Army and CIA Cryptologists/Hackers/Communications "specialists" are having trouble breaking thier own system. That makes it safe in my mind.
Love the site btw.. used to check it long ago and its gotten better and better!
RADIOGUY2002
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MILITARY STUFF
Encrypt It, thats the best soultion. If it was meant to be secured or unrestricated info the goverment would band the fcc sites. Think about that one. Is the goverment playing its own self? Got to love the roles of other agencies involving each other.
Thats my two cents
Encrypt It, thats the best soultion. If it was meant to be secured or unrestricated info the goverment would band the fcc sites. Think about that one. Is the goverment playing its own self? Got to love the roles of other agencies involving each other.
Thats my two cents
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