Possible Emergency Responders?

[Secret_Squirrel]

I must also say that credit for this goes to PBR from another location but the comedy factor is to great not to share here with you guys:

There is an uncanny resemblance to this guy:

1...1 whacker
2...I see 2 whackers
3 whackers....

 

[KG4FOY]

Also I'm gonna have to toss the Wacker flag at you.....

Thats should read:
1. scanner
2. wackers
3. amber lights......

 

[k5ehx]

That's not the point Tom. The guy is whacking out. There is no way to justify or defend that ride.

I don't care what kind of goofy title he holds, I can guarantee you that he has about as much business having a red and blue Vector on his van as you do driving around in an old surplus ambulance and picking up patients and running them into the hospitals just because you're an EMT.

So you think because he has something to do with CERT that he's allowed to have red and blue lights on his van? ROFL! Get out of town man, you're not serious are you?

I was pointing out that presuming nobody in law enforcement, emergency management or fire is familiar with his vehicle is a stretch of the imagination. He doesn't need me to defend what he's doing or why. As I hinted, you can easily ask him yourself.

Oh, and how much money is behind that guarantee, anyway?

I don't understand why it is a problem for you or anyone else here, especially to the point of such horrific personal insults. If people were insulting my wife like that, I'd be deeply hurt by it. How can anyone be that cruel? There really should be a law against it.

I've lost any respect I ever had for the radioreference.com community in this thread, it should've been moderated long ago.

Regards,

Tom White

 

[car2back]

I've lost any respect I ever had for the radioreference.com community in this thread, it should've been moderated long ago.

It's always nice to see someone judge the whole based upon the actions of the few. Kind of like if someone judged the entire amateur radio community based upon the actions of those that feel the need to put lights all over their personally owned vehicles and play emergency worker.

73's Tom, I hope to hear you on the airwaves soon once I pass my Tech.

 

[mfolta1]

Holy Smoke!

Who is the chick in the bikini? Wacker or not im wackin now,,hehe, shes hott!!! who needs dash lights and strobes with a rack like that? if shes single send her my way immediatly, Damn nice lookin!!!

 

[Secret_Squirrel]

I was pointing out that presuming nobody in law enforcement, emergency management or fire is familiar with his vehicle is a stretch of the imagination. He doesn't need me to defend what he's doing or why. As I hinted, you can easily ask him yourself.

Oh, and how much money is behind that guarantee, anyway?

I don't understand why it is a problem for you or anyone else here, especially to the point of such horrific personal insults. If people were insulting my wife like that, I'd be deeply hurt by it. How can anyone be that cruel? There really should be a law against it.

I've lost any respect I ever had for the radioreference.com community in this thread, it should've been moderated long ago.

Regards,

Tom White

I don't care who's "familiar" with Scotty's porcupine looking rolling disco show. The guy doesn't have any business having red and blue lights on his mini-van. What do you want me to do Tom, go make some phone calls to prove a point? I'm sure Scotty would appreciate that a lot.

Okla-lawman (as his name implies) is in the law business and he would be in a better position than myself to explain to you just exactly what the problem is with Scotty's vehicle. Car2back has already said what's going on is illegal. Maybe he'll chime in.

I'd gladly make a bet with you but W5EHX is going to be livid with you for losing that money on something so silly. You don't need those kind of problems man.

If anyone should have a problem here it should be you Tom for being associated with fellow ham radio people like this that are out there whacking out and breaking laws in the process.

Maybe the RR community has lost respect for the TARC and TRO community for allowing whackers of the caliber outlined in this thread in their midst!!

 

[xxxsandman]

I wondered how long before the people "most" of you guys have been bashing, insulting, and griping about showed up. They are scanner monitors, so I figured it would happen and I'm glad it did.

I don't agree or dis-agree with their so called "Whacking". Every town seems to have the "whackers". The funny thing is they seem to almost always be amateur radio operators and scanner users. They are us! But I'm not a "whacker", but they are part of the radio geek family, they just get out of the house a bit more, I suppose.

I'm all for helping someone out and I've even stopped at the scene of a wreck to assist before law enforement showed up. I don't have anything more then my emergency flashers and I wasn't looking for a wreck, but I did end up lending a helping hand until the authorities showed up. If you think about it, the public IS the 1st responders at most scenes, not law enforecement or medics. I bet whoever is hurt or in need of assistance would be very greatful for ANYONES help at that point in time. So please if I'm in a wreck or broke down, stop, I will appreciate the help, whacker or not!

The radio reference and some of it's users has proven to not be above or any better then your average trash talking forum. It's your typical cowards posting crap, talking smack, that they could'nt back up if their life depended on it. So I say ignore them and talk with the sensible people on here "there are a few".

 

[okla-lawman]

Who is the chick in the bikini? Wacker or not im wackin now,,hehe, shes hott!!! who needs dash lights and strobes with a rack like that? if shes single send her my way immediatly, Damn nice lookin!!!

Down boy down....read the whole thread....She is married and probably pregnant. Look at th web photo. You be the judge.

 

[tiawah466]

That hoopty would belong to Scotty Mayes with a callsign of KE5DTZ. Are those RED and BLUE lights I see on that Vector? Can TPD not see this vehicle driving around town? Sheesh.

That van can be seen for your viewing pleasure at the QT at 11th and Utica most nights around midnight.

 

[PolarBear25]

I guess I'll get my 2 cents IBTL...


I've stopped many times in a civilian capacity to assist people with flat tires, engine trouble, remove debris from the roadway; and some how I've managed to do it without flashly lights, traffic vests, and an online "spotter log". No one's saying you shouldn't help people; It's just when you start trying to portray yourself as some sort of para-police autority figure that patrols the streets, you become a problem. You said you don't want to become a cop, but respect those that make the decision to follow that career path; awesome, there's no harm in that! Harry Truman once said, "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen"- Let trained professional emergency responders do their job, that's what they're paid for!


What happens when someone rounds a corner and smashes into your pretty "weather spotting" mobile? I know my attorney would have a hay-day in civil court while you try to explain what it is you're doing. I guess I missed that section of NIMS that talks about the role vigilante weather-spotter/ham radio operators play on an emergency scene.

What you're doing is ILLEGAL in the state of Oklahoma, and sooner or later it's going to catch up to you. I'd venture to guess sooner than later b/c you've recently attracted alot of attention withinthe NE-OK police community.


And just for grins, here's another local amatuer radio operator whacking out yesterday about 1100 S Peoria: http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q34/evaunit511/2007_07310246.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q34/evaunit511/2007_07310248.jpg

I Agree 125% Car2Back ROTFLMAO..

And the other thing god help us all now there are two..

Welcome to radioreference. There is nothing wrong with helping people, it is just the way you are doing it. When you pull up behind a car and hit your amber lights (that why they call you the amber whacker on other sites) do you know who you are pulling up behind?? Is it a bank robber or a little old lady?? My police car has many more lights than yours does but with all the strobes/led so forth I nearly get hit by some motorist. I you get hit how will you get to work?? Most insurance companies will not pay off so you are going to leave your family without transportation. When you pull up behind that car they don't know who you are. You are a very big guy. I am surprised that some one has not shot, pepper sprayed or done something to you. Much less you have Linsey in the car.
You post pictures and info about yourselves on the net. Yes it only took me five minutes to find out your names, where you live, your families addresses. Your lucky I am a good guy, But many out there are not. There are many lurkers out there , as I suspected you had been here. I work rape and stalking cases all the time off the net and these telephone chat lines. Many had no idea what could happen. It would of been easy to blur your license plate, After all you have have like what 5 computers?? That would of made it a lot harder to find out who you were. A web cam in your living room. What were you thinking?? Everything has been going out on the web. You all eating, playing video games, sleeping on the couch, you amusing yourself to linsey getting ready to get into the bathtub. All of it.
I mean it amazes me. They made you take the web cam down from watching the pool ( which the pool in your apt. complex I remember right is located next to the office...duh)
so you put it up invading your own wife's privacy. I believe you think mostly of your self. Living some sort of walter Mitty life. Thats fine if it were only you but it is not.

You drive 2 miles to work?? You cant still be a long haul driver...you never get of the couch long enough.

So true..

That hoopty would belong to Scotty Mayes with a callsign of KE5DTZ. Are those RED and BLUE lights I see on that Vector? Can TPD not see this vehicle driving around town? Sheesh.

There are red and blues SS..

That's not the point Tom. The guy is whacking out. There is no way to justify or defend that ride.

I don't care what kind of goofy title he holds, I can guarantee you that he has about as much business having a red and blue Vector on his van as you do driving around in an old surplus ambulance and picking up patients and running them into the hospitals just because you're an EMT.

So you think because he has something to do with CERT that he's allowed to have red and blue lights on his van? ROFL! Get out of town man, you're not serious are you?

Now that's funny..

First, I don't have that problem I have AAA and a county radio!!!
Second, if you stop to help me at night and don't have the proper red/blue lights and vehicle markings and identification you just might get yourself shot.


Ummm, leave it to the professionals, Fire/EMS/Police/Highway Response or even AAA. Come back when you've had some training...Or you'll be starting a new non-glamors, low paying career as a hood ornament...

Oh that's good..

I must also say that credit for this goes to PBR from another location but the comedy factor is to great not to share here with you guys:

There is an uncanny resemblance to this guy:

1...1 whacker
2...I see 2 whackers
3 whackers....

HaHAHAHAHA!!!!! LOL..

Also I'm gonna have to toss the Wacker flag at you.....

Thats should read:
1. scanner
2. wackers
3. amber lights......

That's Great.. LOL..

Who is the chick in the bikini? Wacker or not im wackin now,,hehe, shes hott!!! who needs dash lights and strobes with a rack like that? if shes single send her my way immediatly, Damn nice lookin!!!

That is Wackeret Linsay..

I don't care who's "familiar" with Scotty's porcupine looking rolling disco show. The guy doesn't have any business having red and blue lights on his mini-van. What do you want me to do Tom, go make some phone calls to prove a point? I'm sure Scotty would appreciate that a lot.

Okla-lawman (as his name implies) is in the law business and he would be in a better position than myself to explain to you just exactly what the problem is with Scotty's vehicle. Car2back has already said what's going on is illegal. Maybe he'll chime in.

I'd gladly make a bet with you but W5EHX is going to be livid with you for losing that money on something so silly. You don't need those kind of problems man.

If anyone should have a problem here it should be you Tom for being associated with fellow ham radio people like this that are out there whacking out and breaking laws in the process.

Maybe the RR community has lost respect for the TARC and TRO community for allowing whackers of the caliber outlined in this thread in their midst!!

Here Here..

 

[okla-lawman]

I was pointing out that presuming nobody in law enforcement, emergency management or fire is familiar with his vehicle is a stretch of the imagination. He doesn't need me to defend what he's doing or why. As I hinted, you can easily ask him yourself.

Oh, and how much money is behind that guarantee, anyway?

I don't understand why it is a problem for you or anyone else here, especially to the point of such horrific personal insults. If people were insulting my wife like that, I'd be deeply hurt by it. How can anyone be that cruel? There really should be a law against it.

I've lost any respect I ever had for the radioreference.com community in this thread, it should've been moderated long ago.

Regards,

Tom White

I agree the wife bashing is uncalled for. Though anyone who puts themselves in public view like that should expect no less. I find it amazing this is your second post yet you say you have lost all respect...... I find it more interesting you have only had 2 posts and both of them in this thread. I may be an old jaded cop but that sounds real suspicions to me. I dont know but it sounds like someone called for a backer or the wackers are uniting..........



I dont like wackers. I dont work traffic but the rare time I stop cars it is for blue lights. State law and city ordinances forbid displaying blue lights. That is the rub. The da's can not agree what display is. Some say merely having the lights on the car others say that they must be illuminated. Under state law displaying blue lights carries up to $2000 ine AND 6 months in jail...per bulb. I have little tolerance or people who are too lazy to get a title 47 and look up what is forbidden. I was passed by a storm chaser last year. He had clear corner strobes and back up light strobes. I was going to back another officer or he would of got two tickets. One or forward flashing white lights and displaying white lights to rear of vehicle. I get reports all the time about people impersonating officers by have lights on their car. The most extreme case I have heard or lately is the case out o Dallas that was on the news. One of them was a convicted sex offender. If you have ever dealt with a rape victim who thought her assailant was a cop. If you ever saw the fear. You would not even ask why..... I work in a world most of you only have nightmares about...


Ref wackerboy that this thread is about. Except for possibly obstruction or interfering I can not see a crime that he has committed. But the officer at the scene would have to make that call. It is not illegal to have amber lights. If we could charge him with bad judgment, he would get a life sentence. More people would be in jail than out if that was the case.


I am also a amateur radio operator. I would say over 99% of the ones I have met are strait up, normal people. 1% are wackers and wierdos. Dont judge all by that 1%. In fact I am installing one in my police car. I know that some officers in the Tulsa are TPD, TCSO, and Ohp, have put amateur radios in their cars. Instead of amber lights call a cop on the cell phone or your radio .

 

[car2back]

Excellent post OL.

...Except for possibly obstruction or interfering I can not see a crime that he has committed...

I know it's really in the gray, but I was thinking 21 O.S. 1533 (A) and (F) :wink:

 

[grack]

I was passed by a storm chaser last year. He had clear corner strobes and back up light strobes. I was going to back another officer or he would of got two tickets. One or forward flashing white lights and displaying white lights to rear of vehicle.

I'm curious about this. Are white strobes restricted to law enforcement only? Are public works and anyone else that needs to be in the road just simply restricted to amber?

 

[KG4FOY]

I dont like wackers.

I hate 'em too.....

Try being a paramedic with several local FIRE/EMS wackers around who are untrained and try to help,(well they think that 1st aid and CPR makes 'em a EMT) now you have someone who is a detrament to you're patient, someone whos getting in you're way and someone else you have to worry about getting hit by passing traffic. Yea I have a red strobe on my POV but its with my chief's direct WRITTEN permission only to be run while responding to a technical rescue or the like....The difference here is that I'M TRAINED, CERTIFIED and LICENSED and EMPLOYED in the field.......


WACKING.......JUST SAY NO!!!!

 

[PolarBear25]

I agree the wife bashing is uncalled for. Though anyone who puts themselves in public view like that should expect no less. I find it amazing this is your second post yet you say you have lost all respect...... I find it more interesting you have only had 2 posts and both of them in this thread. I may be an old jaded cop but that sounds real suspicions to me. I dont know but it sounds like someone called for a backer or the wackers are uniting..........



I dont like wackers. I dont work traffic but the rare time I stop cars it is for blue lights. State law and city ordinances forbid displaying blue lights. That is the rub. The da's can not agree what display is. Some say merely having the lights on the car others say that they must be illuminated. Under state law displaying blue lights carries up to $2000 ine AND 6 months in jail...per bulb. I have little tolerance or people who are too lazy to get a title 47 and look up what is forbidden. I was passed by a storm chaser last year. He had clear corner strobes and back up light strobes. I was going to back another officer or he would of got two tickets. One or forward flashing white lights and displaying white lights to rear of vehicle. I get reports all the time about people impersonating officers by have lights on their car. The most extreme case I have heard or lately is the case out o Dallas that was on the news. One of them was a convicted sex offender. If you have ever dealt with a rape victim who thought her assailant was a cop. If you ever saw the fear. You would not even ask why..... I work in a world most of you only have nightmares about...


Ref wackerboy that this thread is about. Except for possibly obstruction or interfering I can not see a crime that he has committed. But the officer at the scene would have to make that call. It is not illegal to have amber lights. If we could charge him with bad judgment, he would get a life sentence. More people would be in jail than out if that was the case.


I am also a amateur radio operator. I would say over 99% of the ones I have met are strait up, normal people. 1% are wackers and wierdos. Dont judge all by that 1%. In fact I am installing one in my police car. I know that some officers in the Tulsa are TPD, TCSO, and Ohp, have put amateur radios in their cars. Instead of amber lights call a cop on the cell phone or your radio .

Amen brother testify..

 

[KD5WLX]

white strobes

I'm curious about this. Are white strobes restricted to law enforcement only? Are public works and anyone else that needs to be in the road just simply restricted to amber?

If you read the preceding section(s) with all the definitions, government vehicles fit in to several broad categories, and each allows different light combos. Things like city/county/state public works "road repair" trucks can have white strobes on the headlights, and strobe tail lights - but whackers can't put same on their POV.

 

[okla-lawman]

Excellent post OL.



I know it's really in the gray, but I was thinking 21 O.S. 1533 (A) and (F) :wink:

Since he has only amber lights I do not think this would apply. They would probably b classified as auxiliary turn signals or fog lights. I dont see any police type markings and his actions do not come under impersonating a police officer by actions.

KG4foy I am all for emts. firefighters and so forth having emergency equipment on their pov's if their dept will authorize it. I know counties that let their reserve deputies do it. It is not legal. Years ago there was a da's opinion that confirmed the law states that the vehicles must b owned by the gov't agency. I have lived other places and have seen this work. I am all for it. This is another area where one yahoo could ruin it or them all. I think Virgina has a great law. The cars have to be inspected by the state and must have a firefighter or emt license plate. Craig Strurgis here in Tulsa had been fighting for years to et this changed. I am also an emt-i and have been through the paramedic training. I got transfered at my dwpt and could not finish all of my clinicals. So I feel your pain. The big problem i you crash running code in your pov your insurance will NOT cover you. Craig put me onto State Farm a few years ago. They will cover you using your pov for work.

Grack i you look a we years back to be an authorized emergency vehicle all you had to have was lashing headlights and a audible alert (bell or whistle). I beleive that is where the restriction started. BUT you mentioned construction zone. That is not an open roadway and such and would have no prohibitions as such.

Remember people may get by with using things that are illegal till something happens.
I was a QT one night. his maroon taurus comes blaring around the corner with red and blue lights and a siren. I reconized the company. The next day I called CLEET, Cleet investigated and found that half o their cars had red/blues and sirens. One of their officers was a reserve for a small town. after cleet explained it to him and find him and the company a stiff fine he got the picture. But they had been doing it for months.
Th City of Tulsa security had red and ambr light bars on them for a long time. One ever
said anything untill Tulsa police did a sting on a police impersonator on Port road. There had been several complaints about a cop impersonator. TPd goes up there in an unmarked and get stopped. It is one of the security guards in a City security car. He went to jail, The cith lost the red lights.

 

[Secret_Squirrel]

<snip>... I know counties that let their reserve deputies do it. It is not legal. <snip>...

It will be in November. See number 4 on this link:

http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=81888

 

[xxxsandman]

I've read most of the opinions of whackers and the way I see it there is 2 problems with the so called whackers.

1. As OK Lawman points out, INSURANCE! If you are in a situation where you need all those flashing lights, reflective tape, etc, etc, then apparently YOU have put yourself and car in a bad situation where it could be hit by traffic. IF your vehicle ends up getting hit, the insurance company may have issue with coverage, especially when the insurance adjuster see's all those "emergency" lights on your car. Seems to me having emergency lights on your vehicle would give the Insurance companies an easy out and possibly even sue you for damages to the other vehicle. People are sue happy now days. Is it worth chancing?

2. The other problem is if these "whackers" think they should RESPOND to wrecks and other emergencies to "assist". If you carry a scanner and you go out of your way to assist, you are responding to a call. This is no different then the professionals (law, emergency responders) are doing. What makes you think you are helping at that point? Are you going to get their faster? Is your Amber flashing lights going to be better then their red and blue ones? Are you more qualified? Do they just simply need YOUR help? I believe the answer is NO to all of those questions. If you stumble across a wreck or someone in need of help, by all means stop and help them! But don't go looking for trouble, you might find more then you want!

That's my 2 cents worth.

 

[Medic32]

If you stumble across a wreck or someone in need of help, by all means stop and help them! But don't go looking for trouble, you might find more then you want!

very well said