Possible Emergency Responders?

[Secret_Squirrel]

I've read most of the opinions of whackers and the way I see it there is 2 problems with the so called whackers.

1. As OK Lawman points out, INSURANCE! If you are in a situation where you need all those flashing lights, reflective tape, etc, etc, then apparently YOU have put yourself and car in a bad situation where it could be hit by traffic. IF your vehicle ends up getting hit, the insurance company may have issue with coverage, especially when the insurance adjuster see's all those "emergency" lights on your car. Seems to me having emergency lights on your vehicle would give the Insurance companies an easy out and possibly even sue you for damages to the other vehicle. People are sue happy now days. Is it worth chancing?

2. The other problem is if these "whackers" think they should RESPOND to wrecks and other emergencies to "assist". If you carry a scanner and you go out of your way to assist, you are responding to a call. This is no different then the professionals (law, emergency responders) are doing. What makes you think you are helping at that point? Are you going to get their faster? Is your Amber flashing lights going to be better then their red and blue ones? Are you more qualified? Do they just simply need YOUR help? I believe the answer is NO to all of those questions. If you stumble across a wreck or someone in need of help, by all means stop and help them! But don't go looking for trouble, you might find more then you want!

That's my 2 cents worth.

Point number 2 as outlined above is a CRIME in Oklahoma and most other states. A person could get to know okla-lawman or some other folks on this board very well by pulling some stunts like that.

 

[iamhere300]

I don't have a desire to be a full LEO, as there is way too much ?

I will agree, the wife bashing is too much, but on the other hand - you put her
pictures out there on the web - expect comments.

The real issue I have is the above line.

You are not a full LEO, you are not a "part" LEO, you are not a "Smidgen" of a LEO,
you are not a LEO in any capacity, form, portion, iota, etc.

Your comment above shows that you percieve yourself as something to do with the LEO community, and you are NOT anything to do with that community, or EMS/FIRE.

I can also tell you - you are not fooling the officers that end up at your little
scenes. Once they will thank you - the second time they will wonder, and the
third time the same officer finds you at one of HIS scenes, there will be a discussion.

My suggestion, and it is worth only what you are paying for it - GROW UP. Find a gig in a volunteer agency, and PLAY BY THE RULES they have. Don't get into the grey area, just play by the rules. Pursue it as a vocation if you want, but PLAY BY THE RULES.

And the biggest one - you are not a cop in any way, shape, form or manner. Do yourself
a favor and quit trying to insinuate that you are.

 

[iamhere300]

Just wanted to point out, my post in no way insinuated anything about ARES, RACES, etc, and I don't believe anyone elses did either.

Seems some are taking this thread as an affront to HAM radio, and I know on my part it is in no way intended to be.

 

[car2back]

I also have nothing against amateur radio, and hopefully plan on being involved in it someday. My beef is with people that think that being a ham gives them some sort of authority/right/responsibility to run around with lights on their personally own vehicles and respond to emergency calls for service.

 

[car2back]

That hoopty would belong to Scotty Mayes with a callsign of KE5DTZ. Are those RED and BLUE lights I see on that Vector? Can TPD not see this vehicle driving around town? Sheesh.

I hate to bring this back up, but I was researching state traffic law today and wanted to point out that Scotty's Astrovan is in violation of Title 21 O.S. 227(B). regardless of what Mr. Mayes does for the community, this is a blatant disregard for Oklahoma state law! I encourage any peace officer that sees this vehicle being operated on a public roadway to stop and cite the driver.

 

[okla-lawman]

I hate to bring this back up, but I was researching state traffic law today and wanted to point out that Scotty's Astrovan is in violation of Title 21 O.S. 227(B). regardless of what Mr. Mayes does for the community, this is a blatant disregard for Oklahoma state law! I encourage any peace officer that sees this vehicle being operated on a public roadway to stop and cite the driver.

aaaaahhh grasshopper you need to know your DA. What does the word display mean??? Harris says the lights must be illuminated in order for them to be displayed............I fought that battle already

 

[car2back]

Well, you can still cite him and seize the lights as evidence! :lol: Maybe after having you continually install their illegal warning equipment over and over again they'll eventually stop. Tim needs to read the wording again then: "capable of displaying a red or blue light"

 

[dstew67]

Then again, we could always look at where we focus our finite efforts. How much effort should be spent enforcing this particular law, and at what expense of other laws, and under what circumstances should this law be enforced?

 

[car2back]

All state laws should be enforced all the time d_stew. How often do you see an officer on a traffic stop? that's all the resources it would take to nip this crap in the bud.

 

[okccsi]

aaaaahhh grasshopper you need to know your DA. What does the word display mean??? Harris says the lights must be illuminated in order for them to be displayed............I fought that battle already

I agree with you on this. My FIL ran an install business for several years before selling out. His Ford Ranger was fitted with a red/blue light bar on top, and he didn't always drive with the company signs on. He was pulled over only one time, and when he explained that the he owned and operated a business that sold that type of equipment, the police officer was very nice.

In addition to that, the equipment was setup to not operate unless he was parked and using it for display purposes. The leo mentioned that as well.

However, as with any law, it seems to be open to the interpretation (?) of the officer currently dealing with it. So two different police officers might read something a completely different way.

I watched a Oklahoma County Deputy cut out 6 inches of wire on someone's vehicle because they were running strobes in a parking lot. He gave the guy an option to have his car towed or disable the lights on the spot. The driver wanted to argue, but the strobes were blue.

Anywho...

Don Manning

 

[mfolta1]

That maroon van

that guy has an issue, he thinks he is either a cop or a fireman, i went on several calls where he was on scene lights and all. and check this out, i went to a call of a car fire and i was just a mile away when the call went out and when i got there tulsa fire was puting out the fire however this maroon van was parked about 5 feet in front of the burning car and he had all his lights on,not to mention he was parked in the middle of the street. its like he was driving around, spotted smoke, responded and arrived on scene pulled up and became a fireman. he should have called 911 and parked behind the car on fire by at least 100 feet to allow for fire to access the car and put out the fire. i was suspicious of this van because i had seen it at and near and leaving fire calls so when i was at tfd headquarters(they got all my videos for training etc) i mentioned this van and how it was always at these suspicious fires late at night.

 

[car2back]

...In addition to that, the equipment was setup to not operate unless he was parked and using it for display purposes. The leo mentioned that as well...

the law must be construed very strictly, as it was intended with nothing inferred on part of the reader. It sounds as if in your scenario the subject's lights were not "capable of displaying a red or blue light" while on the road.

 

[okccsi]

the law must be construed very strictly, as it was intended with nothing inferred on part of the reader. It sounds as if in your scenario the subject's lights were not "capable of displaying a red or blue light" while on the road.

They could have easily been capable of displaying red and blue while on the road. My whole point was agreeing with someone else though. That and how LEO's will read a law differently.

Don Manning

 

[pills]

On a dark night he could easily pull someone over. As far as precious resources go here is an idea, quit pulling people over for seatbelts and grab this turkey!!

 

[peterjmag]

This individual is hands down a wacker that has almost "gone all the way" LOL. You know what I love about these individuals is if you question them about their "wackings" they will argue with you and give you reasons why they need and should have red and blue lights etc. "Scotty" has no more right to have lights like that on his vehicle than I or any other citizen does. Plain and simple. Now, if law enforcement wants to enforce the law or not is up to whoever he may come in contact with. All we can do is hope "Scotty" or any other wacker doesn't cross the line and become malcious as has happened often across the country.

P.J.

 

[okla-lawman]

You know I passed this guy tonight. At the same place in the photo. I would of lit him up to check him out but I had a prisoner..... I just wanted to ask him WHY???

 

[peterjmag]

You know I passed this guy tonight. At the same place in the photo. I would of lit him up to check him out but I had a prisoner..... I just wanted to ask him WHY???

Well maybye the next time you see him and you are 10-8 then you might pull him over and have a nice little visit with him.

P.J.

 

[Secret_Squirrel]

I'm offering a $25 Outback Steakhouse gift card to any copper who can hang some paper on this guy. It's not a bribe..it's a "thank you" from the Non-Whacking Citizens of the Tulsa Metro Association.

No joke.

 

[car2back]

lmao!!! :lol: :lol:

 

[peterjmag]

I'm offering a $25 Outback Steakhouse gift card to any copper who can hang some paper on this guy. It's not a bribe..it's a "thank you" from the Non-Whacking Citizens of the Tulsa Metro Association.

No joke.