PPSTN New Talkgroups and other info

[wolffe]

Well isn't that interesting! There seems to be a lot of cloak and dagger for a stiff chauffeur, don't mean to be insensitive but is there a deeper reason for their existence?

You get lots of hits on 6208 but in Saskatoon I have 1,290 hits for 6209 and 2 for 6208 since the end of November. I still see a Sheriff id 2264381 unit CS10 on 6209, I suppose there is a reason but I find it odd.

I had a list that I typed out and saved as a draft but now I can't find it. Where does the editor on here put the drafts?

 

[Mobby1-Kenobby]

Omega Transfer Service is based out of Balgonie, Sask. The owner is also the volunteer fire chief for the town of Balgonie as well.

Thank you so very much. That's where and what I saw last summer.

Well isn't that interesting! There seems to be a lot of cloak and dagger for a stiff chauffeur, don't mean to be insensitive but is there a deeper reason for their existence?

You get lots of hits on 6208 but in Saskatoon I have 1,290 hits for 6209 and 2 for 6208 since the end of November. I still see a Sheriff id 2264381 unit CS10 on 6209, I suppose there is a reason but I find it odd.

I had a list that I typed out and saved as a draft but now I can't find it. Where does the editor on here put the drafts?

Ok. That's good information. These 6208 MIB guys passed through here again and I got more pictures of the same black truck, this time with a passenger on board. Same RIDs and about the same time of day. Sheriffs, you say, ok. Thanks.

 

[Mobby1-Kenobby]

This is an updated list of Saskatchewan Environment Conservation Officer number/locations/ RIDs/LIDs and a bonus.

 

[wolffe]

That's great info, thanks.

 

[wolffe]

Mobby, what activity did you see today (02/21/23) on 6208?

6208 and 6209 were both active in Saskatoon today
On 6208 were ID's, 2264348 and 2264377. Also 2264380, 2264379, 2264375, 2264390 and 2264376 they are new to me but maybe you have them.

Several other TGs became active during this time as well, doesn't mean that they were related.
TG 46, 30, 47, 6179, 116, 48, 49.


A new TG that I started noticing in December is TG 5233, Regina Police Service (MCS Mobile Crisis Service) Mental Health Unit.
EMS ID's are 2255628. Yorkton EMS ID 2253386, 2255626, 2255628, 2255630, Macklin EMS 421 ID 2255632.

Some of the EMS units are from local regions and have been heard on EMS TGs, but when they are on the MCS TG they are always refered to as MCS instead of EMS. For example the Macklin unit is called MCS Unit 421 instead of EMS unit 421.

 

[Mobby1-Kenobby]

RCMP RIDs on TG 18, these are verified by voice, as of March 1, 2023.

You will see that there are now more Alpha cruisers and fewer Bravo cruisers than previously deployed. There is also an ever increasing number of Charlie cruisers and combined traffic service cruisers being deployed, as it was discovered that there is an unusually high rate of bad behavior in this area for some unknown reason. It’s not me.

2216189 C823 Traffic Service (TS) Mobile.
2212031 C805 Traffic Service (TS) Broadview Mobile.
2216277 FQ/TS/Portable #3 was being used by C805. Forget your portable?
2211079 C411 Traffic Services.
2211002 A592 Regina, had RID 2211016 Regina Portable #5 = RG5.
2211058 M455 RPS/CTS mobile, # 55 seen on side window of Ford Explorer SUV.
2211059 M456 RPS/CTS mobile, # 56 seen on side window of Ford Explorer SUV.
2211060 M457 RPS/CTS mobile, # 57 seen on side window of Ford Explorer SUV.
2211061 M458 RPS/CTS mobile, # 58 seen on side window of Ford Explorer SUV.
2211062 M459 RPS/CTS mobile, # 59 seen on side window of Ford Explorer SUV.
2216333 RPS/CTS portable # 1, (M459), shared.
2216334 RPS/CTS portable # 2, (M455), shared.
2216335 RPS/CTS portable # 3, (M457), shared.
2216336 RPS/CTS portable # 4, (M458), shared.
2216337 RPS/CTS portable # 5, (M456), shared
2211941 A315 Indian Head.
2211979 A260 Indian Head.
2212096 Fort Qu’Appelle (FQ) Base Station DATA
2212098 A278 Ft Qu’Appelle
2212099 A276 Ft Qu’Appelle
2212100 A277 Ft Qu’Appelle
2212101 B191 Ft Qu’Appelle
2212102 A282 Ft Qu’Appelle, additional alpha, no longer B192
2212103 A283 Ft Qu’Appelle
2212104 B190 Ft Qu’Appelle
2212105 A280 Ft Qu’Appelle
2212106 A275 Ft Qu’Appelle
2212107 C810 Traffic Services FQ
2212108 C811 Traffic Services FQ
2212109 C812 Traffic Services FQ
2212110 C813 Traffic Services FQ
2212111 A279 Ft Qu’Appelle, this new alpha unit was added.
2212114 Portable FQ 1
2212115 Portable FQ 2
2212116 Portable FQ 3
2212117 Portable FQ 4
2212118 Portable FQ 5
2212119 Portable FQ 6
2212120 Portable FQ 7
2212121 Portable FQ 8
2212122 Portable FQ 9
2212123 Portable FQ 10
2212124 Portable FQ 11
2212125 Portable FQ 12
2212126 Portable FQ 13
2212127 Portable FQ 14
2212128 Portable FQ 15
2212129 Portable FQ 16
2212130 Portable FQ 17
2212131 Portable FQ 18
2212132 Portable FQ 19
2212138 A282 this alpha unit was added a few years back.
2212555 File Hills Police (FHPD #2) seen only on site 72 DATA, no coms.
2212559 M370FHPS
2212562 M352FHPS
2216275 FQ/TS #1
2216276 FQ/TS #2
2216277 FQ/TS #3
2216278 FQ/TS #4
2216279 FQ/TS #5

RCMP/CTS/EMS/Fire/SkGov, radios are now all sending data messages. We are currently examining these new upgraded data messages, as these are different than the previous messages.

2263207 Unknown FD on TG Echo 1 is always on site 72. FNR FD?
226 1880 DS0197 is P. Dojack YO transport unit, Regina to Yorkton and return.

Office of the Fire Commissioner (OFC) Radio Tech RIDs on TG 4041 = OPS # 7.
2261366 OFC, not used by SE, was on site 71, added data capability to all EMS / Fire radios.
2262039 Guy was at Sucker Lake radio site. Location?
2262166 Jay was at Lake Rapids radio site. Location?
2265235 P.A. Base Operations for Communications.
2265252 P.A. Base Operations for Communications.

When the EMS radios were being upgraded, all of their available talkgroups were seen. All EMS radios have 1 main dispatch TG and 4 tactical TGs, that are all in sequence. EMS radios also have the special events TGs. Many of the special events (se) TGs showed up including these 2 TGs (6126 = se #17) and (6127 = se #18). Looks like the RR data base has these 2 TGs incorrectly listed, as I now have doubts about the Saskatoon courthouse utilizing TG 6127. The user was probably unfamiliar with the radio and was on the wrong TG? Of course a confirmation on this is required from a Saskatoon RR member.

Yes, there has been a protracted drought in Saskatchewan, so for those RR members that have “thirsty ears”, I have included a small BONUS file, that is devoid of any so called “sensitive information”, the “alphabet agency” doesn’t want shared with John Q Public. We will at all times, refrain from sharing “too much” information, here or anywhere else.

Cheers

 

[wolffe]

I have never logged 6126 and only logged 6127 once on Feb 1/23. 6127 appeared without any ID's, logons or data.


As far a data changes I have been following an ID 2265073 for over a month now. it was previously logged as Prisoner transport lid 5073, unit 801573 out of Saskatoon. It now has a pattern of data calls for about 1.5 minutes, and does this every 30 mins 24/7. No more voice calls only data.

 

[Mobby1-Kenobby]

On Monday March 6, 2023, one year to the day since my first encounter with PPSTN talkgroup 6208, at 8:03 am the RID 2264375 logged in on site 71 and then at 8:10 am the RID 2264377 logged in, with both on site until 8:20 am. They logged in on site 72 at 8:21 am. Data grants began to appear at 8:26 am from the RID 2264375, continuing until 8:31 am. A total of 28 minutes had passed. Shortly after lunch, I prepared for their return trip.

Exactly 5.5 hours later, at 2:01 pm the RID 2264377 logged in on site 72 closely followed by the RID 2264375 at 2:03 pm, with data grants to 2:10 pm. At this point I had already relocated to intercept them. Then at 2:13 pm the RID 2264377 logged in on site 71 closely followed by the RID 2264375 at 2:17 pm. There were no data grants seen. Utilizing binoculars, I looked for the suspect’s vehicle approaching from the east. These two RIDs were not the same as those from my previous encounters, and so this time I was expecting to see a different type/color of vehicle. I really wanted it to be a marked unit, but as they came into view, I could plainly see this unit was not marked. I was so disappointed.

At 2:21 pm the camera on my SUV captured several images of a white Chevy Silverado with a topper-cap, as it passed my location I could see the driver, a woman dressed in a dark brown uniform with the Saskatchewan Provincial Police Insignia on her left shoulder. Her uniform appeared to be the same as that of a conservation officer or a Saskatchewan highway patrol officer. The truck had slowed and we had a very good look at each other. Wow, she was a looker! And yes, I was no longer disappointed about the unmarked unit.
I am now convinced of their true identity, as RR member Wolffe from Saskatoon had previously identified the users of talkgroups 6208 and 6209 as the Provincial Sheriffs.

My data base will now show:
Talkgroup 6208 as Sheriff’s Office Regina.
The following RID#s are based in Regina.
RID# 2264375 is Deputy Sheriff #75 and RID# 2264377 is Deputy Sheriff #77, White Chevy Truck.
RID# 2264376 is Deputy Sheriff #76 and RID# 2264380 is Deputy Sheriff #80, Black Chevy Truck.
RID# 2264377 is Deputy Sheriff #78 and RID# 2264379 is Deputy Sheriff #79, Unknown Unit.

Talkgroup 6209 as Sheriff’s Office Saskatoon.
The RID# 2264381 to RID# 2264385 appear to be based out of Saskatoon. The RID# 2264390 has been seen and could possibly be a dispatcher’s base station?

TG 6084 Saskatchewan corrections prisoner transportation=(meat-wagons)
2261849 is DS0155 Saskatoon
2262364 is DS0149 / DS0149 Pine Grove to Saskatoon to P.A. (In Unit #801048)
2265055 is DS0129 / DS0135 N.B. to Saskatoon.
2265056 is DS0068 / DS0139 Saskatoon.
2265061 is DS0076 / DS0061 Saskatoon.
2265063 is DS0142 Montreal Lk.
2265065 is DS0207 / DS0164 Carrot River.
2265067 is DS0182 unknown location.
2265072 is DS0058 --?-Point.
2265079 is DS0194 Assiniboia.
2265080 is DS#### unknown.
2265083 is DS0192 Punnichy.
2265086 is DS0197 DATA Regina to Yorkton
226#### is DS0185 Unknown.

Like the RCMP Provo gents say, “lets make a meet at the halfway point and do a prisoner swap”. So E390 meets E272 and they swap the swinging meat around. “Yes, put them back in the cooler, boys”. We hope they enjoy the nice, air-conditioned ride to the really big cooler.

And some other RID info, plus a bonus that I left out last time

 

[Mobby1-Kenobby]

Hi to all.

We have noticed an ever-increasing number of data messages being sent on the PPSTN and so we decided to conduct a thorough investigation to establish the identity of these messages. We had no idea that the province had recently purchased and deployed all new Motorola radios as replacements for the existing Motorola radios, that had become, obsolete. At this time, we know very little about the capabilities of these new radios, as user requirements tend to dictate their specifications. It’s all about the software loaded into those radios.

After making contact with users of these new Motorola radios, we found that they were completely unaware that their new radios were sending data messages. Their portable radios do not have the GPS microphones. Their mobile radios do not have GPS capability. Their (MDS) mobile data service is provided by SaskTel and not the PPSTN.

We had thoroughly studied the ISP data messages being sent by the new radios and thought that this information could be shared with the users of these radios. We did so, and now we will share a little of our findings with you. Now comes the bomb shell.

We found the (FNE) fixed network equipment address field to be blank. Yes, the octets in the first packet of this multi-packet message that must contain the FNE address are in fact all zeros followed by the sender’s RID#. Comparing vast numbers of all of the ISP data messages showed there to be very little difference in the message content sent by many different Motorola RIDs other than the occasional error.
No FNE address was present in any of the packets that we studied. The Saskatchewan government’s old obsolete encrypted Motorola radios sent data messages to the FNE address 16777213. The new encrypted Motorola radios utilized by Saskatchewan Environment and those used by the SHP are no longer sending data messages to the FNE address 16777213, as their address fields are now blank. The old EMS and FD radios never sent any data messages.

It appears to us that the PPSTN is wasting channel capacity by loading the network with data messages that do not have an FNE destination address. This new Motorola gear appears to have been supplied with capabilities that are not presently being utilized and should be disabled. We were also informed that there are no plans for any kind of data service to be added to the EMS and FD radios as SaskTel has been building out a very high capacity 700 MHz data network, to be shared by both the public and emergency services.

Now a bonus for those RR members with thirsty ears, enjoy this refreshing high speed auto/audio action that was captured on Wednesday March 15, 2023, between 1:25 pm and 1:37 pm, and yes, this 12 minute of joy has been edited for the sake of brevity. Crank up that volume control so your neighbors can here this.

It begins with the Saskatchewan Highway Patrol officer HU3370, traveling south of Melville on highway #10 making first contact with Saskatchewan Environment conservation officer CO-0420, having just turned off the #35 highway and now east bound and down, the #56 highway. Then HU3342 joins the conversation, assisting with driving directions and such, as he is the senior officer in charge.
There maybe those that require a quick explanation of the nomenclature used.
DOC = Division Operations Command, is RCMP F-Division control in Regina.
MDS = Mobile Data service.

At 1:32 pm, CO-0420, now in the village of Lebret, sees the Chevrolet Camaro entering the curve where the CNR tracks cross the #56 highway on the eastern edge of the village. The speed limit at the location is 30 Kph for a very good reason. Obey the signage or fail.
Traveling at least 3 times the posted speed limit the Camaro exits the traveled portion of the highway passing through the ditch and crashing into the CNR rail-bed. The 2 occupants of the now disabled Camaro, bailout and run south toward Mission Lake.

The 2 suspects are quick to surrender after realizing that the snow cover is deep and there is no way to escape capture.
Of course, the both of them being so physically unfit that they could not outrun a toddler in a snow drift.
Cuff-m-up Kole is also known to us as, catch-n-release Kole. A fisher of men.
Arrest release repeat, arrest release repeat, arrest release repeat, etc.
Cheers!

 

[ryan433pk]

When the EMS radios were being upgraded, all of their available talkgroups were seen. All EMS radios have 1 main dispatch TG and 4 tactical TGs, that are all in sequence. EMS radios also have the special events TGs. Many of the special events (se) TGs showed up including these 2 TGs (6126 = se #17) and (6127 = se #18). Looks like the RR data base has these 2 TGs incorrectly listed, as I now have doubts about the Saskatoon courthouse utilizing TG 6127. The user was probably unfamiliar with the radio and was on the wrong TG? Of course a confirmation on this is required from a Saskatoon RR member.

The major areas have multipe channels for EMS however most rural locations only had 2 channels (I have pictures of the EMS console confirming this)

When the Event groups were relatively new the courthouse sheriffs in Saskatoon were using 6127 but they have now moved to another system and this was not updated.

 

[Mobby1-Kenobby]

Thank you, Ryan. You are correct. I did asked the EMS and was told that they and most others only have the 2 talkgroups. What I was seeing was all of the EMS TGs in alphabetical order. Assiniboia followed by Balcarres and then the hospital at Balcarres and so on. That was how the techs loaded them into the radios so that any TG could be easily located by the users.

A follow-up to the previous post obtained from the RCMP report:

RPS contacted the RCMP about a stolen vehicle traveling east of Regina. Police did not engage in a pursuit of the vehicle, but many units were engaged in an attempt to locate the vehicle. The stolen vehicle left the roadway near Lebret. A 30 year-old male and a 22 year-old male wear taken into custody. A search warrant was obtained and several items were seized from the vehicle that may lead to additional charges.

New, unknown talkgroup.

RCMP radio tech RID# 2212233 appeared at 11:20 am on March 21, 2023 on TG Regina HQ.
At 11:25 am radio tech RID# 2212232 logged in on the never seen before Talkgroup # 6225. At 11:47 am this RID# came up on TG Regina HQ and then came up, “Emergency”, sending that to FNE # 16777212, until that was canceled shortly after by control. A few calls and data grants were seen from only this RID#.

At 11:49 am the lunch bell rang so nothing until 1:07 pm.
At 1:47 pm radio tech RID# 2212247 came up on Regina HQ.
Little action was seen and all of these RIDs were gone before 3 pm.

The Talkgroup # 6225 only showed up once without coms. Please reply to this post if you see this TG at some point and take note or the RIDs. Thanks.

 

[Mobby1-Kenobby]

Hi, to all those RR members following this thread.

On the morning of April 26, 2023 RCMP radio tech Echo 300 showed up and later that morning new RCMP talk groups began to appeared on PPSTN site number 72. This site is used mostly by the File Hills Municipal Police Service, located on FNR #082, north east of this radio site.

11:20 am RID 2212551 M370 logs in on talk group ID 6228 ENC. Testing.

12:56 pm RID 2212558 M353 logs in on talk group ID 6225 ENC. (was seen before this).

1:23 pm RID 2212575 Portable FH 11 is the Chief’s on talk group ID 6230 ENC. Testing.

1:29 pm RID 2212881 and 2213756 are seen communicating on talk group ID 6230 ENC.

These talk groups were not seen on site #71 on April 26, 2023.

Are these new municipal policing talk groups? Are the following 2 RIDs utilized for municipal policing?

The RID 2212881 has previously been seen on the talk groups 52 and 54 and may be a mobile.
The RID 2213756 has previously been seen on the talk group 62 and may be a portable.

Did the Saskatoon RR members seen any action on TG 6230?
I’ll keep watching the FHPS member RIDs on site 72.

Cheers.

 

[Mobby1-Kenobby]

Hi, to all.
On April 27 the local RCMP radios were being reprogrammed to include the 3 new unknown talk groups that I have been seeing recently.
At 10:11 am portable FQ 12 logged in and joined TG ID# 6228 and then at 12:18 pm A280 logged in and joined TG ID# 6225 on site #71.
On April 28 at 1:05 pm portable FQ 16 logged in on TG ID# 6230 and then at 2:35 pm FQ 16 logged in on TG ID# 6228 on sit #71.

I really want to know who is utilizing these talk groups and so I decided to look at RR Saskatoon member Ryan’s Unitrunker-1 data to see what I could come up with and this is what I found. I thank you Ryan for providing me with this most helpful information.

The radio IDs 2264550 to 2264750 = a total of 200 are seen on the following talk groups:
6133 / 6134 / 6136 / 6137 / 6142 = a total of 6

Now for a closer look at Ryan’s Unitrunker-1 RIDs:

<User id="2264553" label="SERCO" color="00FF00" lockout="0" hide="0" rank="99" group="6133" first="20180926001622" last="20181107225631" hits="3" voice="5" mask="16" logon="2" /> (This is the entry that got my full and undivided attention)

<User id="2264555" color="00FF00" lockout="0" hide="0" rank="99" group="6142" first="20200917220313" last="20200918203415" hits="4" voice="5" mask="16" logon="2" />

<User id="2264559" color="00FF00" lockout="0" hide="0" rank="99" group="6133" first="20181107152055" last="20181107155222" hits="5" voice="5" mask="16" logon="2" />

<User id="2264562" color="00FF00" lockout="0" hide="0" rank="99" group="6134" first="20211018215339" last="20211020195638" hits="74" voice="5" mask="48" logon="2" />
It appears that SERCO in Saskatoon utilizes the talk groups 6133 / 6134 and 6142.

Now we will look at SERCO’s talk groups and 13 RIDs as listed in the RR Wiki/DB.
Talk group ID# 6106 SERCO Military Police #1 at 15 Wing Moose Jaw
Talk group ID# 6107 SERCO Military Police #2 at 15 Wing Moose Jaw.
2264550 SERCO Charlie Unit
2264551 SERCO Charlie Unit
2264552 SERCO Delta Unit
2264553 SERCO Charlie Unit is seen on talk group ID# 6133 in Ryan’s data.
2264554 SERCO Charlie Unit
2264555 SERCO Portable 1 is seen on talk group ID# 6142 in Ryan’s data.
2264556 SERCO Base Dispatch
2264557 SERCO Portable 2
2264558 SERCO Portable 3
2264559 SERCO Portable 4 is seen on talk group ID# 6133 in Ryan’s data.
2264560 SERCO Portable 5
2264561 SERCO Portable 6
2264562 SERCO Portable 7 is seen on talk group ID# 6134 in Ryan’s data.
2264563 SERCO Portable 8
2264564 SERCO Emergency Panic Button

I have both OSP and ISP message data on only 6 RIDs within this group of 200 RIDs.
RID# 2264707 on Group ID# 6136 was also seen on Group ID# 6134, OSP message.
04/07/2022 at 09:29:33 am RID# 2264754 login on Group ID# 6133, on site 53, ISP message.
04/07/2022 at 11:38:52 am RID# 2264781 login on Group ID# 6130, on site 05, ISP message.

Now we will take a closer look at just 3 lines of “ISP” data that I collected in Regina.
"04/07 09:29:33","Affiliate",”group ID 6133”, “RID, 2264754,", ISP message.
"04/07 09:29:56","Affiliate",”group ID 6208”, “RID, 2264377,", ISP message.
"04/07 09:30:11","Affiliate",”group ID 12”,"RCMP HQ",”RID, 2214970,”, ISP message.

You will notice that all 3 of these RIDs affiliated in just 0.38 seconds as if these 3 RIDs are together at the same location. They may not be, but if a SERCO member, a Deputy Sheriff and an RCMP member are all at a location in downtown Regina where might that be? These are all ISP messages that I captured in the center of the “Queen’s City” and one must be very near to these RIDs to get those ISP messages.
Closer to home, we see the following.

At 9:12 am on April 28 the RID# 2264738 logged in and joined TG ID# 6130 on site #72.
At 3:57 pm on April 28 communications on talk group 6130 are seen between the RIDs 2264645 and 2264659 on site 72.

These RIDs and their associated talk groups appear to be most active in Regina with almost nothing seen in rural areas until recently.
It appears that both Motorola and Harris radios have been reprogrammed with these new talk groups and both brands must be sharing the same encryption keys and their associated IDs.

RR Saskatoon member Wolffe has reported seeing what appeared to be Harris and Motorola RIDS communicating on common talk groups utilizing encryption.

The province has recently purchased new Motorola radios, with their full capabilities being unknown at this point, but it appears that key sharing may have been the reason behind this purchase. It appears that the RCMP, provincial / municipal police and SERCO are now able to use the same encrypted talk groups for private communications on the PPSTN.
It appears that SERCO has been expanding it’s operations to encompass the entire province.

At this point it appears to me, that all these talk groups are utilized by SERCO and so my data base will show the following.
TG ID# 6130 SERCO Regina OPS #1 Encrypted.
TG ID# 6133 SERCO Regina OPS #2 Encrypted.
TG ID# 6134 SERCO Saskatoon OPS #1 Encrypted.
TG ID# 6136 SERCO Saskatoon OPS #2 Encrypted.
TG ID# 6137 SERCO OPS #3 Encrypted.
TG ID# 6142 SERCO OPS #4 Encrypted.
TG ID# 6225 SERCO Regina INOP #1 Encrypted.
TG ID# 6228 SERCO Regina INOP #2 Encrypted.
TG ID# 6230 SERCO Saskatoon INOP #3 Encrypted.

If I am not mistaken, I do believe the RR DB is pay-per-view now. I do not remember seeing any of these talk groups listed in the RR DB, but my memory is very weak.

I will of course be conducting an operation to capture an image of one of their vehicles as it passes through my area of operations. This will be the confirmation of identity that I require.

Cheers.

 

[mciupa]

The database is always free. What requires a Premium subscription is if you want to see input frequency listings for conventional entries. This was the trade off for eliminating intrusive advertisements on the forums page.

If confirmed talkgroups are ready for the database, someone could create a submission and I will gladly add them.

 

[wolffe]

Morning group, sorry for the slow response. Summer is here and my time on the radios are limited but I keep them running.

I have 1 hit on 6228, no id to go with it
On 6225 I have 24 hits with associated ids previously seen on RCMP Tac 4


I have nothing on RID 2212881
On RID 2213756 216 hits on TG 60

On TG 6230 18 hits with RIDs previously seen on tg 42 Tac 7

2264550 SERCO Charlie Unit Not seen by me
2264551 SERCO Charlie Unit Not seen by me
2264552 SERCO Delta Unit Not seen by me
2264553 SERCO Charlie Unit is seen on talk group ID# 6133 in Ryan’s data. Seen on TG 6133 and 6134 I have as Air Force wing 15 MP
2264554 SERCO Charlie Unit Not seen by me
2264555 SERCO Portable 1 is seen on talk group ID# 6142 in Ryan’s data. Not seen by me
2264556 SERCO Base Dispatch Not seen by me
2264557 SERCO Portable 2 Not seen by me
2264558 SERCO Portable 3 Not seen by me
2264559 SERCO Portable 4 is seen on talk group ID# 6133 in Ryan’s data. 34 hits on 6133
2264560 SERCO Portable 5 Not seen by me
2264561 SERCO Portable 6 Not seen by me
2264562 SERCO Portable 7 is seen on talk group ID# 6134 in Ryan’s data. Not seen by me
2264563 SERCO Portable 8 Not seen by me
2264564 SERCO Emergency Panic Button Not seen by me

Here my list on these TGs

2264603 11 hits on 6133
2264671 13 hits on 6131 and 6136
2264672 23 hits on 6136
2264673 56 hits on 6136
2264675 27 hits on 6136
2264676 60 hits on 6136 and Global Events 4
2264678 60 hits on 6136
2264679 41 hits on 6136
2264682 11 hits on 6136
2264684 31 hits on 6136
2264685 48 hits on 6136
2264686 42 hits on 6136, 6137, 6176
2264689 17 hits on 6136 and Global events tg (I failed to list tg)
2264694 1 hit on 6136
2264706 2 hits on 6133 and 6209
2264707 4 hits on 6134 and 74
2264739 1 hit on 6137
2264775 11 hits on 6136
2264776 41 hits on 6136
2264777 14 hits on 6133
2264778 3 hits on 6134
2264779 1 hit unknown tg


A great deal of unknown TGs have come up in the last 2 months

6157
6159
6176
6177
6179 1200 hits of Canadian Pacific Rail Police RIDs?, but on now they are encrypted? Am I wrong on who this is?
2261956
2261957
2261971
2261973
2261980
2261984
2261989
2263654
6180
6181
6183 ID seen on tg 2261221 ,2261225
6191
6210
6214
6217 RIDs: 2262421 Made rounds to hospitals and RCMP while giving signal reports to Dispatch
6225 with RIDs seen on RCMP Tac 4
6226
6227 Encrypted RIDs: 2211712 Swift Current unit also on Tac 3 for PM visit
6228
6229 Encrypted RIDs: 2213955
6230 Encrypted RIDs seen on Tac 7 TG 42 2214153

Others

5098 EMS
5137 EMS
5144 EMS
5145 EMS
5168 EMS
5171 EMS
5174 EMS
5189 EMS
5171 EMS
5174 EMS
5189 EMS
5190 EMS
5231 EMS
5233 is Regina Police Services Mobile Crisis Service MCS
5234 EMS
5241 EMS
5261 EMS
5299 EMS
5303 EMS
5304 EMS
5342 EMS
5385 EMS


6020
6021
6040
6049
6131
6157
6159
6176
6177
6180
6181
6183 RID seen on Tac 4
6191
6210
6214
6225 RID seen on Tac 4
6226
6227 Encrypted
6228
6229 Encrypted
6230 RID seen on Tac 4

 

[Mobby1-Kenobby]

@wolffe, that's a bunch of great information. The CPR Police RID's all start with 223 and not 226 as those posted above, so they are not the CPR Police. I have never seen those before. Maybe you have found the new Marshals service? Keep it coming!

 

[wolffe]

Mon 29/05/23 Starting at 1:00PM, all logged in on tac 2, tac 5, tac 6 active throughout the operation. Other TG's were just short messages. I only saw them on tower 19 Saskatoon other towers were quiet


2215521 TG (Drug Unit main ops 178)(Drug Unit - Tac 1 179)(RCMP Tac 176)(Tac 2 45)(Tac 6 49) Active on all groups but primarily Tac 2 and Tac 6
2215532 TG (49 Tac 6)
2215533 TG (RCMP Tac 176)(48 Tac 5)
2215534 TG (42 Tac 7)
2215536 TG (48 Tac 5)
2215545 TG (178 Drug Unit)
2215563 TG (Drug Unit - TAC 1 179)(Drug Unit - main ops 178)(Drug Unit - 3 108) Active on all groups
2212307 TG (45 Tac 2)
2212309 TG (45 Tac 2)
2212315 TG (48 Tac 5) Previously PM Detail
2212318 TG (44 Tac 1)(45 Tac 2) - Previously PM Detail
2212320 TG (45 Tac 2)
2212321 TG (45 Tac 5)(217 Warrant Suppression) - Previously PM Detail
2212324 TG (49 Tac 6) Previously PM Detail
2212326 TG (49 Tac 6) Previously PM Detail

Anyone get any activity on the RCMP tac tgs or drug unit tgs on Monday 29/05/23 Starting at 1:00pm on?

 

[Mobby1-Kenobby]

Hi, to all those following this thread.

I have been just so busy with work these days that I decided to setup a single PC running Unitrunker 1, on my local site and saving the log files so that I may view them at some point when I get a little free time to do so. I tried running Unitrunker 2 earlier this year, but then gave up on it. No comment. In addition to that I also gave Universal Radio Hacker (URH), a try but the program is without a squelch setting for my SDR and so all I got was junk ISP data, so I gave up on that. Time to move on.

On June 6, 2023 I took a quick look at Unitrunker 1 and saw that the deputy sheriffs #75 and #76 were around at 8:15 am and then again at 1:32 pm but I forgot to save that log file. I shall not make that mistake again.

On June 9, after passing a newly erected sign at the junction of the #10 and #22 highways indicating an upcoming auction sale. I had a hunch that this “complete dispersal”, farm auction may have been the reason why the sheriffs were around.

I had seen the sheriffs on site 72 earlier this year and that site’s coverage area includes the auction site. The auctioneer’s sign included the farmer’s name and location, but I will not share that here. This infamous auctioneer is frequently utilized by the provincial government to dispose of it’s unwanted assets.

I knew nothing about the “auctioneering business”, until I was told this by an insider. “when you make a bid, you are bidding against the auctioneer”. OK.

You can see from the U-1 logs that the sheriffs were around all week.

Log file originally created as C:\Users\User\Desktop\S00000001\Site A-20230608.LOG
Version: Unitrunker 1.0.32.7

To get the correct date and time for Saskatchewan from Unitrunker 1 log files,
we must subtract 6 hours from the log time as it is UTM.
Example:
2023=Year, 06=June, 17:15:34=UTM=10:15:34am=Saskatchewan-time 18247,Login,I,2264376,I,2264376=DS/RID76

20230607171534,18247,Joins,I,2264376,G,6208=TG=Sheriff office Regina
20230607171535,18247,Logout,I,2264376, ,0,0,
20230607171625,18247,Login,I,2264376,I,2264376,0,
20230607171625,18247,Joins,I,2264376,G,6208,0,
20230607171640,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264376,93,Dat
20230607171645,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264376,48,Dat
20230607171647,18247,Login,I,2264377,I,2264377,0,
20230607171647,18247,Joins,I,2264377,G,6208,0,
20230607171700,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264376,219,Dat
20230607171715,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264376,93,Dat
20230607171730,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264376,48,Dat
20230607171745,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264376,219,Dat
20230607201352,18247,Login,I,2264376,I,2264376,0,
20230607201352,18247,Joins,I,2264376,G,6208,0,
20230607201355,18247,Joins,I,2264377,G,6208,0,
20230607201407,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264376,219,Dat
20230607201500,18247,Joins,I,2264377,G,6208,0,
20230608161109,18247,Login,I,2264377,I,2264377,0,
20230608161109,18247,Joins,I,2264377,G,6208,0,
20230608161110,18247,Logout,I,2264377, ,0,0,
20230608161207,18247,Login,I,2264377,I,2264377,0,
20230608161207,18247,Joins,I,2264377,G,6208,0,
20230608161220,18247,Login,I,2264376,I,2264376,0,
20230608161220,18247,Joins,I,2264376,G,6208,0,
20230608161221,18247,Logout,I,2264376, ,0,0,
20230608161240,18247,Login,I,2264377,I,2264377,0,
20230608161240,18247,Joins,I,2264377,G,6208,0,
20230608161257,18247,Login,I,2264377,I,2264377,0,
20230608161257,18247,Joins,I,2264377,G,6208,0,
20230608161359,18247,Login,I,2264376,I,2264376,0,
20230608161359,18247,Joins,I,2264376,G,6208,0,
20230608161413,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264376,219,Dat
20230608161418,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264376,93,Dat
20230608161434,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264376,48,Dat
20230608161448,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264376,219,Dat
20230608161503,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264376,48,Dat
20230608161518,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264376,219,Dat
20230608161634,18247,Call,I,2264377,G,6208,48,P 4=Group-call-TG-6208-P4=Encrypted
20230608161642,18247,Call,I,2264390,G,6208,219,P 4
20230608161908,18247,Call,I,2264377,G,6208,93,P 4
20230608161910,18247,Call,I,2264376,G,6208,48,P 4
20230608162319,18247,Call,I,2264376,G,6208,219,P 4
20230608162327,18247,Call,I,2264390,G,6208,93,P 4
20230609145337,18247,Login,I,2264376,I,2264376,0,
20230609145337,18247,Joins,I,2264376,G,6208,0,
20230609145338,18247,Logout,I,2264376, ,0,0,
20230609145340,18247,Login,I,2264375,I,2264375,0,
20230609145341,18247,Joins,I,2264375,G,6208,0,
20230609145350,18247,Login,I,2264379,I,2264379,0,
20230609145351,18247,Joins,I,2264379,G,6208,0,
20230609145410,18247,Login,I,2264379,I,2264379,0,
20230609145410,18247,Joins,I,2264379,G,6208,0,
20230609145411,18247,Logout,I,2264379, ,0,0,
20230609145442,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264379,219,Dat
20230609145448,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264379,93,Dat
20230609145451,18247,Login,I,2264377,I,2264377,0,
20230609145451,18247,Joins,I,2264377,G,6208,0,
20230609145453,18247,Joins,I,2264375,G,6208,0,
20230609145457,18247,Login,I,2264376,I,2264376,0,
20230609145457,18247,Joins,I,2264376,G,6208,0,
20230609145503,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264379,48,Dat
20230609145510,18247,Joins,I,2264375,G,6208,0,
20230609145512,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264376,219,Dat
20230609145517,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264376,93,Dat
20230609145518,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264379,48,Dat
20230609145532,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264376,219,Dat
20230609145533,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264379,93,Dat
20230609145547,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264376,93,Dat
20230609145548,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264379,48,Dat
20230609145602,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264376,219,Dat
20230609145617,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264376,93,Dat
20230609145914,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264375,48,Dat
20230609145919,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264375,93,Dat
20230609145934,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264375,48,Dat
20230609145949,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264375,93,Dat
20230609150004,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264375,219,Dat
20230609150019,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264375,48,Dat
20230609210008,18247,Joins,I,2264379,G,6208,0,
20230609210023,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264379,48,Dat
20230609210029,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264379,93,Dat
20230609210044,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264379,48,Dat
20230609210059,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264379,219,Dat
20230609210114,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264379,93,Dat
20230609210129,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264379,48,Dat
20230609210155,18247,Login,I,2264376,I,2264376,0,
20230609210155,18247,Joins,I,2264376,G,6208,0,
20230609210210,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264376,219,Dat
20230609210339,18247,Login,I,2264376,I,2264376,0,
20230609210339,18247,Joins,I,2264376,G,6208,0,
20230609210354,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264376,48,Dat
20230609210511,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264376,93,Dat
20230609210516,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264376,48,Dat
20230609210531,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264376,48,Dat
20230609210546,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264376,48,Dat
20230609210601,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264376,219,Dat
20230609210616,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264376,93,Dat
20230609211540,18247,Login,I,2264377,I,2264377,0,
20230609211541,18247,Joins,I,2264377,G,6208,0,
20230609211734,18247,Login,I,2264375,I,2264375,0,
20230609211734,18247,Joins,I,2264375,G,6208,0,
20230609211749,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264375,219,Dat
20230609211754,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264375,93,Dat
20230609211809,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264375,48,Dat
20230609211824,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264375,219,Dat
20230609211839,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264375,93,Dat
20230609211854,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264375,48,Dat
20230609212424,18247,Login,I,2264375,I,2264375,0,
20230609212426,18247,Joins,I,2264375,G,6208,0,
20230609212433,18247,Call, ,0,I,2264375,93,Dat
20230609212501,18247,Login,I,2264377,I,2264377,0,
20230609212502,18247,Joins,I,2264377,G,6208,0,

Other than this I have nothing new to report.

Cheers!

 

[Mobby1-Kenobby]

On Wednesday June 14, 2023 there were six SERCO RIDs on PPSTN site 71 for 1 hour and 38 minutes.
The encrypted talk group in use was 6134.
There was no provincial court at this location on this day.

See the Zip file for the data as this info was too large for a single post here.

There is no dispatch/control RID seen.
The RID 2264562 appears to be in the leadership position.
Their communications are very frequent.

At some point I will get images of their vehicles so we know what to be on the lookout for. SERCO utilizes white cargo vans for prisoner transport in London UK.
I see nothing is ever reported by our media, about SERCO expanding it's operations in this country. Do any of you know what activities SERCO is involved in?

Why are they around my location? What are they up to?

I must investigate.


I have nothing more to report at this time.

Cheers.

 

[Mobby1-Kenobby]

Yet another RCMP/SERCO INOP TG shows up in a U1 Log.
On Friday June 30 at 10:25:31 RCMP Portable FQ16 Login/Joins Talk Group 6227.
Log file originally created as C:\Users\User\Desktop\S00000001\SiteA-20230630.
LOG Version: Unitrunker 1.0.32.7
20230630162531,18247,Login, I,2212129,I,2212129,0,
20230630162531,18247,Joins, I,2212129,G,6227,0,
20230630162533,18247,Logout, I,2212129,0,0,

RID also seen in the same U1 log.

The first RID 2243553 had been on site 71 for some time, but no channel grants were ever seen. This RID has not been seen in any recent logs but this next one has.

This second RID 2243554 was a new one being tested on the system, as seen in the U1 log.

After encountering the first RID, I was curious as to the identity of the user, so I asked a reliable source and was quite surprised when I was told that the RID is utilized by Water Rescue. I believe that this second RID is also utilized by Water Rescue.

2243553 Water Rescue 1.
2243554 Water Rescue 2.
20230630154044,18247,Login, I,2243554,I,2243554,0,
20230630154044,18247,Joins, I,2243554,G,4020,0,
20230630154059,18247,Call, 0,I,2243554,219,Dat
20230630154151,18247,Logout, I,2243554, 0,0,
20230630154159,18247,Login, I,2243554,I,2243554,0,
20230630154200,18247,Joins, I,2243554,G,4020,0,
20230630165631,18247,Login, I,2243554,I,2243554,0,
20230630165631,18247,Joins, I,2243554,G,4020,0,
20230630170031,18247,Call, 0,I,2243554,93,Dat
20230630200025,18247,Logout, I,2243554, 0,0,
20230630200100,18247,Login, I,2243554,I,2243554,0,
20230630200100,18247,Joins, I,2243554,G,4020,0,
20230630200114,18247,Call, 0,I,2243554,48,Dat
20230630222113,18247,Call, I,2243554,G,4020,93, 4
20230630223351,18247,Call, I,2243554,G,4020,48, 4
20230630224645,18247,Call, I,2243554,G,4020,93, 4
Log file originally created as C:\Users\User\Desktop\S00000001\SiteA-20230701.LOG Version: Unitrunker 1.0.32.7
20230701212612,18247,Deny, I,2243554,G,4020,0,
20230701212612,18247,Login, I,2243554,I,2243554,0,
20230701212612,18247,Joins, I,2243554,G,4020,0,
20230701212627,18247,Call, 0,I,2243554,93,Dat
20230701212634,18247,Logout, I,2243554, 0,0,

I had seen a yellow Jeep and a yellow ambulance, both with Water Rescue signage on them travelling around the lakes for about a year, but had know idea that this organization was on the PPSTN. I was told that Water Rescue works in conjunction with the local fire department, utilizing the ECHO talk groups. Water Rescue does not appear to have a watercraft of any type?

The local fire department has the most well equipped and best trained, marine rescue team in south east Saskatchewan. They utilize a watercraft that was designed and built for their marine operations. The local RCMP and Saskatchewan Environment officers also have watercraft. The RCMP watercraft RID appears to be 2212097.


Some other Fire Dept RIDs seen in U1 logs, but not found in the RR radio ID Wiki.
The identity of the Fire Department RIDs was confirmed by audio files from the talk group, ECHO 1.
The PA Dispatcher stating the "Mark Time" is of great help to me finding the correct RID in the U1 log file.

RID 2264121 is used by the Silton Fire Department. Yes it is a 226 RID.
RID 2243481 Emerald Park FD Command
RID 2243663 Balgonie FD6
RID 2243664 Balgonie FD7 Pumper 17
RID 2244661 Unknown FD seen in a U1 log, site 71.
RID 2244964 Lemberg FD

RID 2211504 RMCU use Login/logout/LI/LO/LI/LO site 71 on TG 46 is TAC 3, no coms.


Recently, I was asked by a well informed source if I had seen any new EMS talk groups on the system and I said yes. I saw the RID 2252635 Valley Ambulance 13 unit 1912 had logged in on the talk group 5501.

Log file originally created as C:\Users\User\Desktop\S00000001\SiteA-20230622.LOG Version: Unitrunker 1.0.32.7
20230622213056,18247,Joins, I,2252635,G,5501,0,
20230622213057,18247,Call, I,2252635,G,5501,93, 4
20230622213104,18247,Joins, I,2252635,G,5116,0,
20230622213217,18247,Call, I,2252635,G,5116,219, 4

As can be seen in this U1 log, the call on TG 5501 went unanswered and then this RID returned to it’s home group. No EMS talk groups above 5500 had been seen on the system prior to June 22, 2023. I was informed that another ramp/zone and talk groups was recently added to the EMS radios. I have no information on this, but will investigate. Are any of you seeing/hearing EMS utilizing TGs 5500 and above? None are in the RR data base.