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Just wanted to pass on what I am finding with the Pro-106 and the Texas DPS.

When I first got the Pro-106, I created a scan list with the new P-25 conventional frequency setup with the appropriate NAC information for each channel. Initially, I was extremely impressed because the motor-boating from the adjacent channel interference was completely gone (per 396T). However, I noticed that even thought I was not hearing any trash, I was missing a big part of transmissions. When one of the 159.210 MHz or 159.2175 repeaters transmitted, the Pro-106 slowed down and looked at each of the several similar channels (same frequency but different NAC) for up to a second, even though the proper NAC was not being broadcast. I traveled north-south across Texas, over the weekend, and had both the Pro-106 and the 396T scanning the Texas DPS P-25 channels. Though the 396T locked onto adjacent channels during transmissions, more often than not, the Pro-106 was missing some transmissions completely because of the above mentioned issue.

When I got home Sunday, I created a scan list with just the listed frequencies, no duplicates; from the P-25 channel plan. I put each different frequency in as a conventional object in P-25 search mode (no NAC specified). So in this scan list there is only one instance of 159.210, 159.2175 and so on.

Then, I had to make a run east on I30 Sunday. From what I could tell, I heard all traffic without any misses, no motor-boating, or miss channel lockups that I used to get with the 396T. I heard DPS Garland, DPS Tyler, DPS Texarkana, and DPS Sulphur Springs clearly with no co-channel interference. I never had to switch to a local scan list; I was able to monitor all the local DPS traffic without issue (just like in the old analog days). When I am hooked up to the big antenna at home, I get no issues and a lot more intelligible traffic. I was never able to do this with the 396T.

Just my two cents.
 

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How do you Create "new" scan Lists?

I just got my 106 yesterday. I am in SW Fannin Co. and have listened to DPS Sherman, Sulfur Springs, Denton, Greenville & Dallas. I have had Incredibly good reception out of DPS. Locally, Greenville PD I've noticed has serious Choppy issues, Surprisingly because I am closer to Greenville PD's tower than I am DPS or Grayson SO.

I have yet to learn how to program a Trunked system in this scanner. I find the Instruction book complicated. Would the PSR500 manual be easier? I still don't understand the V-Folder deal either. Object Scanners are a Whole new concept for me.
 

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Your best bet is to use software. You can create a new conventional channel by:
1./ hit PGM then hit F1 (new) then F2 (conv) then while on SCAN LIST - hit the right arrow until you see the scan list you wish to assign this channel to then hit SEL to set the new entry into this scan list. Next you down arrow to freq - hit SEL, enter the desired frequency then hit DONE. Next you can assign an alias to the frequency. Squelch mode is next, right arrow through the choices to select the mode. Below the squelch mode it allows you to enter a PL, DPL, NAC code. Down arrow and select the remaining options as desired. Select DONE when finished.

Trunked systems are a bit more challenging. The good news with P25 exclusive trunked sysyems is you can set the tyoe to auto and it will set the band plan for you. (pulls it in from the control channel).

To program a new trunked system:

Hit program, then NEW then TGRP then select the scan list then hit SEL to make it active.
Left arrow to NEW then hit SEL, arrow throught he choices to set the type of system. Down arrow then creat a system alpha tag then arrow down to frequencies then hit sel and enter the freqs. (in LCN order for EDACS and LTR) You can use control channel only on motorola and P25 systems. Select SAVE when done entering the freqs It will ask to save when done. You will then have to program TGRP's into the system you created.

(Now do you see why I said use software?)

I have a PSR500 and have been enjoying it!

Ed
 
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How do you Create "new" scan Lists?

I just got my 106 yesterday. I am in SW Fannin Co. and have listened to DPS Sherman, Sulfur Springs, Denton, Greenville & Dallas. I have had Incredibly good reception out of DPS. Locally, Greenville PD I've noticed has serious Choppy issues, Surprisingly because I am closer to Greenville PD's tower than I am DPS or Grayson SO.

I have yet to learn how to program a Trunked system in this scanner. I find the Instruction book complicated. Would the PSR500 manual be easier? I still don't understand the V-Folder deal either. Object Scanners are a Whole new concept for me.

It's actually pretty easy to program the trunked systems when you get into it. You just have to keep in mind the concept of entering the system in one place and programming the TGRPS in another. I like being able to mix conventional & trunked in the same bank. I do prefer the quick key memory allocation on the UNIDEN's better than the V folder however. The GRE (or 106) ends up having more total memory capacity however it takes longer to access it if you have to change folders.

This is assuming that you are using software to do the programming. Doing it by hand would be very time consuming.

If the 106 comes pre-loaded like the 500 you can also go into those programs and see how the trunked stuff is entered and use it as a template.
 
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Hey Max,
I have created quite a few scan lists and V-Folders. Got all the trunked stuff in eastern DFW, Hunt, Collin, and Dallas Counties. I can send you my file in Win 500 if you would like (seems like we are kinda in the same geographical area)? Let me know, right now I am listening to Texas DPS and some Mil Air refuling, this thing is hot on the UHF air band.
 

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Hey Max,
I have created quite a few scan lists and V-Folders. Got all the trunked stuff in eastern DFW, Hunt, Collin, and Dallas Counties. I can send you my file in Win 500 if you would like (seems like we are kinda in the same geographical area)? Let me know, right now I am listening to Texas DPS and some Mil Air refuling, this thing is hot on the UHF air band.
Max,
Looks like Rob has your immediate area covered. I've got Win500 or PSREdit-500 files for the DFW area as well- Dallas, Tarrant, Collin, Denton, Parker, Ellis, etc, in one file, along with the statewide DPS plan & the regional medevacs, plus a few feds. Other files with some other combos, and one I use when I run out to Stephens County, about every month or so.
 

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Texas DPS and Greenville PD

Most of the time, the copy is 100 percent solid from DPS on all their freqs (at least with the PRo-106). I can get DPS Dallas, Sherman, Sulphur Springs (all of them), and Tyler (155.460 and 159.210) from the house (read ouside big antenna).

GPD has an encryption feater that they can switch on and off on their handhelds and mobiles (one guy leaves his on encryption all the time). All the GPD users can decode the encryption, even if they are not in the same TX mode. So, when GPD sounds all garbled, even though you know they shouldn't sound that way, you can bet they have switched to their encrypted mode.

Otherwise, at 35 miles from Greenville, I can get 100 percent copy P-25 with the ducky antenna of GPD.
 

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Gentlemen, Thanks for the replies I did Finally get this beast to work! My Gosh its a beast! I really LOVE how I can set up a list of JUST the Dispatch's I want to hear from various Trunked systems and not have to hear the whole TRS. So Far I have all the Trunked systems in Dallas and Collin Co. entered. I am working on Tarrant and East Texas Medical Center today. I did download the Win500 program which turned on light bulbs in my head and got me to understand this radio and Object oriented Scanning. The V-Scanner folder is what I'll tackle next after the TRS's are programed. I also see that where an object is programed makes no difference as once its programed I can pull it to a list. Very Cool! I got so mad at the user manual I almost took it back for a pro-96. I'm glad I didn't!

I would be interested in a Mil-Air file, PM me for E-mail info. I'll also happily share my files in return, However mine are barely written LOL!
 

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Pro 106 need help DPS P25 programming?

Hey Max,
I have created quite a few scan lists and V-Folders. Got all the trunked stuff in eastern DFW, Hunt, Collin, and Dallas Counties. I can send you my file in Win 500 if you would like (seems like we are kinda in the same geographical area)? Let me know, right now I am listening to Texas DPS and some Mil Air refuling, this thing is hot on the UHF air band.

I just bought the Pro106 Friday and I'm using the WIN500 software. I have not been able to figure out how to program DPS Waco Region 6 P25 frequencies. I'm in Fairfield TX and DPS is out of Waco. Could you send me a copy of your Winn500 file to help me. Thanks.
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Pro 106 Scanner WIN500 software

I bought the Pro 106 on Friday and I cannot figure out how to program the P25 DPS freguencies into the WINN500 software. Can anyone send me a copy of your WIN500 file to help me. I'm in Fairfield TX and DPS is Region 6 out of Waco. Although I would like the entire state of Texas since I travel.
I've only had a conventional scanner up until now so I'm new and lost.
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I bought the Pro 106 on Friday and I cannot figure out how to program the P25 DPS freguencies into the WINN500 software. Can anyone send me a copy of your WIN500 file to help me. I'm in Fairfield TX and DPS is Region 6 out of Waco. Although I would like the entire state of Texas since I travel.
I've only had a conventional scanner up until now so I'm new and lost.
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Paul
Paul,
Here's a DFW Metro WIN500 file, zipped. I have the statewide DPS P25 plan in there, besides a few repeaters or bases specific to areas I'm in quite a bit.

Unzip the file, pull it up in WIN500. You can pull up your own file, side by side with it, then copy/paste between the two if you like.
 
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hiegtx,
Thank you! I unziped your WIN500 file and loaded the entire file into my Pro 106. I am on my way to work so didn't have time to review or figure out how to build Waco Region 6 WIN500 and my area P25 file, Fairfield TX Freestone County.
I will exam it tonight when I get off work, maybe I can figure it out. I'm new to everything, but conventional just learning. Thanks again.
Paul
 

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New PRo 106 bought last Friday and I'm not picking up DPS FREESTONE COUNTY TX. DPS has a local office in Fairfield 75840 and operates from region 6 Waco TX. Anyone have any ideas for me. I programmed The Waco Region 6 frequencies nothing. I need help don't understand? Thanks for anyone's help.
 

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According to the DB there is a repeater located in Fairfield which you should be able to receive on 159.21750 with a NAC of 123. Without a base antenna you most likely won't be receiving Waco direct on 155.445. (Make sure you programmed using P25 (digital) mode)

Don't expect to hear anything from the office in Fairfield, they don't have a dispatcher, everything will come out of Waco. Some field offices do have limited transmit capability, usually utilizing a mobile antenna stuck up somewhere, but this is more of an exception than a rule.

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I listened to repeater 10 B today although it's silent most of the time and your correct I'm not recieving 155.445 at all. What would you recommend for a base antenna and a separate mobile antenna?
Thanks for your help.
 

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Since I reside in a very rural area, I have a 75 foot tripod television antenna UHF/VHF connected with shielded aluminum coaxial cable run throughout my home with boosters. Can I plug my Pro 106 scanner into the TV antenna using an adapter coaxial to BNC without damaging my scanner? If yes, maybe I will be able to pickup waco DPS dispatch.
I can pickup Waco, Tyler, Dallas and some other area TV stations.
 

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Since I reside in a very rural area, I have a 75 foot tripod television antenna UHF/VHF connected with shielded aluminum coaxial cable run throughout my home with boosters. Can I plug my Pro 106 scanner into the TV antenna using an adapter coaxial to BNC without damaging my scanner? If yes, maybe I will be able to pickup waco DPS dispatch.
I can pickup Waco, Tyler, Dallas and some other area TV stations.
Paul,

I would not recommend trying to connect the scanner to the existing tv antenna, while still using it for tv. I suspect you'd get interference, from your tv's, passed back down the coax, into the scanner.

To use a tv antenna to best advantage, as a beam antenna for scanner reception, you'd need to take it off the mast & rotate it 90 degrees on it's axis. Used for television, the various rods, antenna elements, whatever you prefer to call them, in effect 'lay flat', they are parallel to the ground, because that's the polarization of tv signals, horizontal. For scanner use, those elements need to be vertical, straight up & down, for best results. You might get some signal as is, but for pulling weak signals, it needs to be with the elements vertical. Look at this picture of a commercially available scanner beam antenna for a better idea of what I'm talking about. You can take the existing u-bolt that mounts the antenna to the mast, and drill new holes in the long center beam of the antenna to change the mounting position to vertical. Find an antenna that somebody is no longer using, maybe because they went to satellite or cable, & modify it for scanner use.

For a good omni-directional antenna, the ScanTenna is a good one. Works better on Vhf, Uhf, & aircraft, than 800mhz. Look through the antenna forum for other suggestions. I've also seen some links to build your own antennas. I'm using this cheapo magnetic antenna on my truck when I get out of the city. There are better ones available, but this does what I need for now.

One thing that will affect the reception on your Pro-106, is if you are near other transmitting towers, especially broadcast band (FM or tv). These can overload the scanner, and make it less sensitive.
 

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Thanks . Can I mount the scan antenna on the same 75 foot tripod pole as my TV antenna and mount it at say 50 feet or so. Would the TV antenna interfer?
 

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I'm not close to any towers, Freestone County rural. Cell phone tower about 1.25 miles is the only tower of any kind near me.
 

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Thanks . Can I mount the scan antenna on the same 75 foot tripod pole as my TV antenna and mount it at say 50 feet or so. Would the TV antenna interfer?
I doubt if it would. I just would not connect the tv's & scanner (even indirectly, through a splitter) to the same antenna. Proof of that, sort of, is that if I place one of my scanners too close to the pc monitor, or tv, I get interference on some channels using one of the rubber duck antennas, or a with with some gain. Move it a few feet away, and that generally goes away (same with my photo printer, "talking" to a scanner placed near it).
 
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