PRO-106 Cons.

[PolarBear25]

3 things my PRO-2052 will do my PRO-106 will not

1. The PRO-106 will not tell you the other Voice Channels (VCs) that are active while the current talk group (TG) (TGRP) your on is at idle.

2. You can not go directly to a object such as a talk group (TG) (TGRP) by pushing the number keys, or manual so if the 5-way directional keys go out, you can not go to a object directly. MAN (or PROG), FUNC, the object number and then ENT is the fix to this FYI.

3. If your on manual on a idle talk group you can not activate the priority (PRI) function, And if the talk group (TG) (TGRP) is at idle, and a priority (PRI) talk group (TG) (TGRP) goes active the radio will not switch to the active talk group (TG) (TGRP) if the priority (PRI) function is active.

The pros out way the cons, On the PRO-106 but this is an FYI post for persons planning buying this radio.

 

[SCPD]

3 things my PRO-2052 will do my PRO-106 will not

1. The PRO-106 will not tell you the other Voice Channels (VCs) that are active while the current talk group (TG) (TGID) your on is at idol.

2. You can not go directly to a object such as a talk group (TG) (TGID) by pushing the number keys, or manual so if the 5-way directional keys go out, you can not go to a object directly.

3. If your on manual on a idol talk group you can not activate the priority (PRI) function, And if the talk group (TG) (TGID) is at idol, and a priority (PRI) talk group (TG) (TGID) goes active the radio will not switch to the active talk group (TG) (TGID) if the priority (PRI) function is active.

The pros out way the cons, On the PRO-106 but this is an FYI post for persons planning buying this radio.

IDOL????, I think you mean idle??

 

[MStep]

3 things my PRO-2052 will do my PRO-106 will not

1. The PRO-106 will not tell you the other Voice Channels (VCs) that are active while the current talk group (TG) (TGID) your on is at idol.

2. You can not go directly to a object such as a talk group (TG) (TGID) by pushing the number keys, or manual so if the 5-way directional keys go out, you can not go to a object directly.

3. If your on manual on a idol talk group you can not activate the priority (PRI) function, And if the talk group (TG) (TGID) is at idol, and a priority (PRI) talk group (TG) (TGID) goes active the radio will not switch to the active talk group (TG) (TGID) if the priority (PRI) function is active.

The pros out way the cons, On the PRO-106 but this is an FYI post for persons planning buying this radio.

Not sure about items 1 and 3, but for item 2, try MAN (or PROG), FUNC, the object number and then ENT. It is just like jumping to a channel. And if you layout your object numbers logically (or use software like WIN500 to arrange them), the five way key becomes even handier for stepping through objects.

In addition, it seems that there are poorly documented functions of the arrows of the five way key which can provide shortcuts to some of the operations.

 

[PolarBear25]

Not sure about items 1 and 3, but for item 2, try MAN (or PROG), FUNC, the object number and then ENT. It is just like jumping to a channel. And if you layout your object numbers logically (or use software like WIN500 to arrange them), the five way key becomes even handier for stepping through objects.

In addition, it seems that there are poorly documented functions of the arrows of the five way key which can provide shortcuts to some of the operations.

Thanks I tried that and it works, so number two is out just FYI. I wish the great manual that Radio Shack put out told you that. LOL.

 

[MStep]

Thanks I tried that and it works, so number two is out just FYI. I wish the great manual that Radio Shack put out told you that. LOL.

I recently put up a post where I had called the Radio Shack manual "woefully inadequate" (or something to that effect)---- we might have to upgrade that to "abysmal". It was obviously written for a less technical "average consumer" type, although the average scanner consumer would hardly be looking for a Pro-106 or Pro-197. You should also download the GRE manual from their site for their equivalent scanner--- it does offer a bit more in the technical department, although there are some tricks and tips that I have picked up here on the boards that are not in the manuals.

 

[MStep]

Not sure about items 1 and 3, but for item 2, try MAN (or PROG), FUNC, the object number and then ENT. It is just like jumping to a channel. And if you layout your object numbers logically (or use software like WIN500 to arrange them), the five way key becomes even handier for stepping through objects.

In addition, it seems that there are poorly documented functions of the arrows of the five way key which can provide shortcuts to some of the operations.

Update to my post above-- looks like you can leave out the FUNC key from the sequence and it appears to still work. Makes life one key-press easier

 

[PolarBear25]

Not sure about items 1 and 3, but for item 2, try MAN (or PROG), FUNC, the object number and then ENT. It is just like jumping to a channel. And if you layout your object numbers logically (or use software like WIN500 to arrange them), the five way key becomes even handier for stepping through objects.

In addition, it seems that there are poorly documented functions of the arrows of the five way key which can provide shortcuts to some of the operations.

You don't need to hit the FUNC key just type in the Object number and hit the ENT, or SEL key.

 

[PolarBear25]

Update to my post above-- looks like you can leave out the FUNC key from the sequence and it appears to still work. Makes life one key-press easier

Right I found that out.

LOL. About the manual part.

 

[MStep]

3 things my PRO-2052 will do my PRO-106 will not

1. The PRO-106 will not tell you the other Voice Channels (VCs) that are active while the current talk group (TG) (TGRP) your on is at idle.

2. You can not go directly to a object such as a talk group (TG) (TGRP) by pushing the number keys, or manual so if the 5-way directional keys go out, you can not go to a object directly. MAN (or PROG), FUNC, the object number and then ENT is the fix to this FYI.

3. If your on manual on a idle talk group you can not activate the priority (PRI) function, And if the talk group (TG) (TGRP) is at idle, and a priority (PRI) talk group (TG) (TGRP) goes active the radio will not switch to the active talk group (TG) (TGRP) if the priority (PRI) function is active.

The pros out way the cons, On the PRO-106 but this is an FYI post for persons planning buying this radio.

On your item #3-- you might want to try this -not- from MAN mode, but from PAUSE mode. Also make sure that the priority channel you want to monitor gets the "P" function set before you start the process and that it is not locked out.

If that works for you, this might also mitigate the condition in your item #1, since you can now scan the rest of the talk groups while having a talkgroup or several talkgroups prioritized.

 

[PolarBear25]

On your item #3-- you might want to try this -not- from MAN mode, but from PAUSE mode. Also make sure that the priority channel you want to monitor gets the "P" function set before you start the process and that it is not locked out.

If that works for you, this might also mitigate the condition in your item #1, since you can now scan the rest of the talk groups while having a talkgroup or several talkgroups prioritized.

Ok thank you.

 

[LarrySC]

I'm programming my 106 with software and just about finished. Started with clone from my 96. I have not opened the 106 manual and dont expect to do so. It is my thought that the manual is not needed with WIN500. Good Luck to all.

 

[PolarBear25]

On your item #3-- you might want to try this -not- from MAN mode, but from PAUSE mode. Also make sure that the priority channel you want to monitor gets the "P" function set before you start the process and that it is not locked out.

If that works for you, this might also mitigate the condition in your item #1, since you can now scan the rest of the talk groups while having a talkgroup or several talkgroups prioritized.

It did not work.

 

[MStep]

It seems to be working over here--- there might be one or two more settings that have to be made-- when I get back to the radio later today I will check it out again and get back to you.

 

[PolarBear25]

It seems to be working over here--- there might be one or two more settings that have to be made-- when I get back to the radio later today I will check it out again and get back to you.

Thank you sir.

 

[MStep]

OK Polar Bear-- I think the first thing to try is to see if you can put one trunk system with its associated talk groups into one scan list. Make sure before you start the procedure that scanner priority is turned off (while scanning it reads "pri" and not "PRI". Next thing is to go to some of your talkgroup objects and individually prioritize them. Then hit SCAN, followed by FUNC and PRI, with just this one scan list active. This should then turn the priority on within the radio for those talkgroups that you have prioritized in this system. (System will now show PRI and not pri.)

A couple of things to keep in mind-- you can turn the radio priority on and off only when a)the radio is in scan mode or b)when you are PAUSED (and not manual) on a talkgroup. In either situation, this is done by hitting the FUNC key followed by the PRI key.

What I have outlined affects priority within the trunked system. There is also a setting within the GLOB settings which allows you to toggle a function which permits CONV channels to override non-prioritized talkgroups.

If all this sounds very confusing, IT IS Don't forget, I am also very much a newbie with the operation of the Pro-106 and Pro-197 radios and I am doing the best I can to explain what I understand to be correct. In addition, the documentation which accompanies the Radio Shack units is very poor in explaining the many nuances of programming and operating the unit.

I can tell you that I have gotten the radio to operate with certain talkgroups being prioritized within a trunked system, and it seems to work ok for me. You might also want to search the GRE board for more information, since the GRE radios are essentially the same units.

Best advice I can give is keep experimenting and don't get frustrated. Maybe someone viewing this thread can offer alternate ideas on how to get this up and running on your radio.

 

[PolarBear25]

OK Polar Bear-- I think the first thing to try is to see if you can put one trunk system with its associated talk groups into one scan list. Make sure before you start the procedure that scanner priority is turned off (while scanning it reads "pri" and not "PRI". Next thing is to go to some of your talkgroup objects and individually prioritize them. Then hit SCAN, followed by FUNC and PRI, with just this one scan list active. This should then turn the priority on within the radio for those talkgroups that you have prioritized in this system. (System will now show PRI and not pri.)

A couple of things to keep in mind-- you can turn the radio priority on and off only when a)the radio is in scan mode or b)when you are PAUSED (and not manual) on a talkgroup. In either situation, this is done by hitting the FUNC key followed by the PRI key.

What I have outlined affects priority within the trunked system. There is also a setting within the GLOB settings which allows you to toggle a function which permits CONV channels to override non-prioritized talkgroups.

If all this sounds very confusing, IT IS Don't forget, I am also very much a newbie with the operation of the Pro-106 and Pro-197 radios and I am doing the best I can to explain what I understand to be correct. In addition, the documentation which accompanies the Radio Shack units is very poor in explaining the many nuances of programming and operating the unit.

I can tell you that I have gotten the radio to operate with certain talkgroups being prioritized within a trunked system, and it seems to work ok for me. You might also want to search the GRE board for more information, since the GRE radios are essentially the same units.

Best advice I can give is keep experimenting and don't get frustrated. Maybe someone viewing this thread can offer alternate ideas on how to get this up and running on your radio.

Ok thanks, but I am running 10 scan list on one TSYS (OKWIN)

Thanks for the help.

 

[MStep]

Ok thanks, but I am running 10 scan list on one TSYS (OKWIN)

Thanks for the help.

Aaaah Polar Bear-- now we come to the "crux" of the matter-- the horns of a dilemma, so to speak. As you might have surmised, I have only employed the priority function with TGRP objects assigned to the same scanlist. My understanding is that the radio listens to the control signal looking for your priority TGRP objects--- but what happens if you have 10 scan lists with various TGRP objects in each, but all attached to one TSYS, as you have outlined. Wow, my head is starting to spin--- sounds like we are heading in the direction of E=mc2. I don't know if priority will "transcend" the scan lists in that case. This has been a fun thread no doubt, but I think people with bigger guns than mine are going to have to chime in here. GRE has created a whole new universe (for better or worse) with object-oriented scanning and we are all explorers in this new world.

 

[PolarBear25]

Aaaah Polar Bear-- now we come to the "crux" of the matter-- the horns of a dilemma, so to speak. As you might have surmised, I have only employed the priority function with TGRP objects assigned to the same scanlist. My understanding is that the radio listens to the control signal looking for your priority TGRP objects--- but what happens if you have 10 scan lists with various TGRP objects in each, but all attached to one TSYS, as you have outlined. Wow, my head is starting to spin--- sounds like we are heading in the direction of E=mc2. I don't know if priority will "transcend" the scan lists in that case. This has been a fun thread no doubt, but I think people with bigger guns than mine are going to have to chime in here. GRE has created a whole new universe (for better or worse) with object-oriented scanning and we are all explorers in this new world.

Yep I agree.

 

[DonS]

Aaaah Polar Bear-- now we come to the "crux" of the matter-- the horns of a dilemma, so to speak. As you might have surmised, I have only employed the priority function with TGRP objects assigned to the same scanlist. My understanding is that the radio listens to the control signal looking for your priority TGRP objects--- but what happens if you have 10 scan lists with various TGRP objects in each, but all attached to one TSYS, as you have outlined. Wow, my head is starting to spin--- sounds like we are heading in the direction of E=mc2. I don't know if priority will "transcend" the scan lists in that case. This has been a fun thread no doubt, but I think people with bigger guns than mine are going to have to chime in here. GRE has created a whole new universe (for better or worse) with object-oriented scanning and we are all explorers in this new world.

Once the radio starts scanning, scan list membership is irrelevant for TGRPs. The scanner builds a list of "things to scan" based on enabled scan lists and each object's scan list membership.

Priority does "transcend scan lists", as long as the objects flagged as "priority" belonged to at least one enabled scan list when you hit the SCAN key (or as long as you subsequently enable the objects' scan list(s) while scanning).

In SCAN mode (unless you're PAUSEd on an object), any priority-flagged object in any enabled scan list can "override" the current object, as long as the current object itself is not flagged as priority.

 

[PolarBear25]

Once the radio starts scanning, scan list membership is irrelevant for TGRPs. The scanner builds a list of "things to scan" based on enabled scan lists and each object's scan list membership.

Priority does "transcend scan lists", as long as the objects flagged as "priority" belonged to at least one enabled scan list when you hit the SCAN key (or as long as you subsequently enable the objects' scan list(s) while scanning).

In SCAN mode (unless you're PAUSEd on an object), any priority-flagged object in any enabled scan list can "override" the current object, as long as the current object itself is not flagged as priority.

I am on man object 1 of list 7, with PRI on and it will not come up on object 1 of scanlist 1 or 6 witch are PRI
TGRPs.