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I am using Pro96Com with a Pro-106, the "Packet Dump" is choppy (stops and restarts) and the “System Activity” will stop in mid transmission the restart. I have no idea what is going on.
When I use my other PRO-106 (broken volume control switch) all runs soothe.
Anyone have any pertinent idea how to fix this. I t must be in settings, but I have no Idea where to look.


Thanks to all
Alex
 

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Most likely scenario, it's probably antenna movement, foliage, etc. I get it all the time here. Nothing to worry about, except to get your antenna higher, or aim a beam where you want it.
 

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HI.

Well that is not the problem. The two radios sit side by side, one is choppy the other is smooth. It must be some setting, or radio has a problem. I checked settings, I saw nothing different that means nothing. Still looking for help.

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Alex
 

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Can you import the settings from the good scanner and then upload them to the bad scanner? I know in win500 you can but know nothing of pro96com. That way you know the settings are exactly the same and you wouldnt have to look for anything. There is a (dump trunking data to PC/IF) and a (Echo DSP comms to PC/IF) setting in win500. Press pgrm then func-F3. It is called CCdump and DSPdump. What exactly are you calling a "packet dump"?
 

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Hi all

I did a full reset of the scanner and that worked. I reloaded my data and now all is well. Some where along the line some setting must have been changed by accident.

By the way anyone have a on/off, volume and squelch switch? Mine has broken I have limited volume control. I need the whole stack.

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Also, The Pro-106 has a cloning feature where you could clone the working 106 to the other.
 

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When I use my other PRO-106 (broken volume control switch) all runs soothe.

Thanks to all
Alex
I'm wondering if the volume control got wore out from having to turn the radio off/on when disconnecting from the charger?
 

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I'm wondering if the volume control got wore out from having to turn the radio off/on when disconnecting from the charger?

Just curious but why do you need to turn the radio off/on when disconnecting from the charger?
I rarely turn mine off when connecting or disconnecting the charger.
I have seen one radio that displayed an "illegal voltage" message before but I think that may have been a Uniden. Whatever make it was, it was rare that that message was displayed.

The 106/197 radios do use a horrible taper for the volume pots. Way too much gain in the low end which makes them hard to find a low volume setting like may be needed when you don't want to disturb others.
I've also seen the two models appear to have "dirty" controls where you can sometimes hear scratchy sounding audio as you rotate the control.
This is usually fixed by a squirt of tuner or control cleaner in most radios pots but the pots are pretty well sealed in the 106/197 and GRE models so it's hard to get cleaner in them.
I once had my PSR600 get the dirty pot problem scratchy sound. I could not get rid of it by cleaning so for some reason, I wired in a brand new temporary pot and was surprised to still hear the scratchy sounding audio. It turned out to be poor filtering around the audio circuit and seemed to be amplified from the non audio taper pot used. I forget exactly what I did but I fixed it by adding a resistor or cap across something in the audio stage going by the schematic Radio Shack sells for the 106 and 197 models. I was also able to add a fixed level output that would feed a tape or line input on an external recorder.

I'd still like to find a new pot that fits both mechanically and physically but has a correct audio taper instead of a linear taper like GRE used.

And to the OP, the broken control should not have any affect on Pro96com operation as the point that audio is taken is well before the volume control pot. It is actually not even audio for Pro96com, it taps the data slicers output in those models. It's already a digital signal at that point when the radios are in C-CH output mode.

I do wish the author of Pro96com would add in an input selection for pure discriminator audio though so the program could be run independent of radio type for decoding. Kind of like how Unitrunker can run. Unitrunker can run from true discriminator audio but Pro96com has a much cleaner GUI that I find easier to understand.
Of course Unitrunker can work for several different types of trunked systems and not just P25 systems so it wins hands down for that.
Pro96com would still be nice if it accepted discriminator audio for an input though. I'd love to be able to use my Icom R9000 and R7000 with Pro96com. Those receivers hear P25 signals that none of the digital scanners will even hear due to overload or other cruddy signals that are found in large metro areas.
 

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Just curious but why do you need to turn the radio off/on when disconnecting from the charger?
I rarely turn mine off when connecting or disconnecting the charger.
I have seen one radio that displayed an "illegal voltage" message before but I think that may have been a Uniden. Whatever make it was, it was rare that that message was displayed.
We are talking about the Pro-106, right? I've had two that displayed the message listed below.
Well, that problem seems to be resolved. My thanks to the store manager who initially didn't understand my problem but worked for a solution all the same.

Now I have to ask another question that maybe isn't related - maybe it is the design of the 106.

On both units when plugging or unplugging the power source the scanner often displays -
**Low Voltage**
Replace or
Recharge the
Batteries


But then there are times when the scanner does continue scanning - which I think is the desired option.

No scanning takes place and No keys are active while this message is displayed. The only way I've been able to continue is to momentarily turn the On/Off switch Off then back ON. More of a nuisance or annoyance than anything.

But if you are chasing a call and grab the scanner, unplug it while running out the door you are extremely likely to miss the next transmission(s), even IF you do remember to cycle the power.

I don't remember my lowly Pro-135 behaving this way. I should also point out this message occurs even with fully charged batteries.

Now I am wondering if others get this message also?

Maybe this is worthy of separate thread listing the "Annoyances of the Pro 106". Not that it's not a good scanner - I do like it. It just seems to have some design quirks.

Anyone else get this message on their Pro-106?

Thanks for all input.

What I have learned to do is to use the plug from the AC adapter to recycle the power. When pushing the plug back in doesn't do it I leave the adapter plugged into the radio but remove it from the AC power - THAT always recycles the power.

I do wish it did NOT behave that way.
 

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We are talking about the Pro-106, right? I've had two that displayed the message listed below.


What I have learned to do is to use the plug from the AC adapter to recycle the power. When pushing the plug back in doesn't do it I leave the adapter plugged into the radio but remove it from the AC power - THAT always recycles the power.

I do wish it did NOT behave that way.

Now that you mention all that, you are correct as I've seen the same.
And yes, pulling the power source at the AC end does stop the message but does still power cycle the radio. One model will display the illegal voltage on occasion but I'm thinking that may be the HP1 that does that the more I think about it.
I guess the switch in the power jack in the 106 or PSR500 does not stay open long enough for something to fully reset and that is what causes the message or lockups. You would think you could put a diode across that switch so the batteries still supplied power even when connecting or disconnecting the power plug providing they had sufficient charge. I could see other strange behavior though if the batteries are near dead and you had a bypass diode in place when you pulled the plug from the radios jack. That may cause more lockups but would probably work ok as long as the batteries are charged enough to run the radio alone. Those models have the non charging black case so the addition of a bypass diode across the power jacks switch would not alter that feature and cause batteries in the black case to charge. It may very well keep the radio from locking up though if plugged in and you need to unplug it and run without power cycling the thing. You would just need a diode large enough to handle the current flowing across it when the switch is opened.

The old Pro-43 had two power jacks. One was for charging only and the other jack also charged plus ran the radio from an external supply at the same time. If you unplugged the DC plug from one of the jacks, the radio would lock up sometimes. If you used the other jack, the radio never locked up! I forget now which jack interrupted the radio and caused lockups occasionally but it did happen. I never did understand why they had two power jacks on that model as both supplied charging current to the batteries. My guess is that one jack was current limited even though you could still run the radio from the charge only jack. Perhaps the charge only jack could only pass so much current and you would eventually run the batteries dead if using the radio at higher volume levels while using the charge only jack. The radio and batteries drew more current than the current limiting resistor could pass.
I don't think they even had NiMH batteries back in the Pro43 days.
I had an old Regency portable that also had two power jacks. Both charged the batteries though but you could see that only one jack supplied enough current to run the radio and charge the batteries at the same time. If plugged into the charge only jack, the radio took a minute or two before the batteries charged enough for the radio to turn on. You could see it by eye if you turned the backlight switch on before plugging into the charge only jack. The backlight would start out nice and dim and as it grew brighter, all of a sudden the radio would power up. If you tried to turn the volume up too high, the radio would shut back down due to the limited current.
That one never locked up though. I guess that was the best technology they had to try and prevent overcharging back in the day.
 
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