Pro 164 trunking issue with pictures

[jugdish17]

Hello,
I have a pro-164, ARC300 software with programmed banks for talkgroups I want to follow. Screen shots of a specific bank that have worked like a charm are attached.
The other day, I accidentally hit the WPX button and I pressed a few buttons to get back to monitoring my banks and everything went haywire.
I plugged in the scanner to upload the prior programming thinking I'd be back to normal, but I can't.
I've poured over the manual and am stuck. I can't get trunking mode to work and scan the existing banks. The bold T, or trunking, won't work or turn on.
All banks as set to Motorola, have frequencies and talkgroups assigned, banks are open.
The scanner won't scan, squelch is turned up.
The programming cable appears to work because I've made one change in the programming, uploaded and downloaded and the change was still intact.
The only thing that is different is that I had to get a new cable since I can't find my original from radioshack, with the larger inline chip with the lights. I have a Whistler 06A22 cable which listed as compatible with pro-164.
A picture of the scanner and set up for one of the banks is attached. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

 

[tvengr]

I am going to hazard a guess. With that scanner, I believe you need to set the band plan to Custom for a VHF or UHF Motorola system or a rebanded 800 MHz Motorola system. You also need the appropriate tables.. I believe that the Normal band plan will work only for unrebanded 800 MHz frequencies. What system are you trying to monitor?

 

[jugdish17]

Hello,
I will try that setting and see if that does it.
I am trying to monitor the Motorola system for the king county public safety system, specifically for city of burien.

I am going to hazard a guess. With that scanner, I believe you need to set the band plan to custom for a VHF or UHF Motorola system. I believe that the Normal band plan will work only for unrebanded 800 MHz frequencies. What system are you trying to monitor

 

[wtp]

as it is hard to see the pictures (my eyes anyway) did you put in every frequency for the entire page ?

 

[StoliRaz]

I had a 164 many years ago that stopped trunking. I couldn't figure it out, so I dumped it for a PSR-300. Still own it and works fine to this day.

 

[wtp]

i will buy the 164,

 

[jugdish17]

as it is hard to see the pictures (my eyes anyway) did you put in every frequency for the entire page ?

Yes, every frequency from that page is in and was a download from RR. Only things I can think of is the cable won’t program trunking or trunking broke. I’m going to look at a psr300. Just need something similar to the 164

 

[ka3jjz]

A few things here;

• The only Burien that I could find in the database is in King county Washington state, found here Seattle-King County Public Safety (KCERS) Trunking System, Seattle, Washington
• The database mentions that this system is being migrated to a P25 Phase 2 system, so your 164 is going to run into issues when it does migrate, as it can't handle this kind of system
• It looks like you have every frequency for every site listed. (This is an 800Mhz system). You can't expect it to work like this, as it can't handle roaming from site to site (I don't think). You need to figure out which site is closest to you and use that one. Program other sites in other banks.
• It looks like the KCSO is all analog so you should be in the clear on that. However that system is shown to be a 'mixed mode' system in the database with some digital on it
• The PSR300 is functionally the same as the 164; I wouldn't expect it to work differently

A couple of questions in the Washington state forum is in order here, I think

Mike

 

[wtp]

851.1375	851.4375c	851.4625	851.8875	852.8125	852.8875c
853.525	853.825	854.2375c	856.0875	856.6125	856.7875c
857.0625	857.5375

how about you just put these in as conventional and see if you can hear them.
you will only see frequencies and can not 'trunk' them as in follow a conversation or talkgroup.
you do not want the entire page just one tower site.
and like the other guy just said they are going to P-25 phase 2 and the 164 can't do that.

 

[tvengr]

I am trying to monitor the Motorola system for the king county public safety system, specifically for city of burien.

King County has moved to a new P25 Phase 2 system: Puget Sound Emergency Radio Network (PSERN) Trunking System, Seattle, Washington The PRO-164 is analog only and cannot receive that system. According to other members in King County, the only scanners which will work reliably are the Uniden SDS100 handheld and SDS200 Base/Mobile. They are the only scanners specifically designed to receive simulcast sites.

My BCD325P2 struggles missing 50% of the time when mobile or stationary, BCD436HP does a little better.
The SDS 100 and 2 SDS 200's one on external antenna and one on inside antenna work very good.

 

[ka3jjz]

It would seem that King County Sheriff has moved here, and yes, the 164 won't handle it...

Puget Sound Emergency Radio Network (PSERN) Trunking System, Seattle, Washington

Puget Sound Emergency Radio Network (PSERN) Trunking System Profile

www.radioreference.com

Mike

 

[StoliRaz]

• The PSR300 is functionally the same as the 164; I wouldn't expect it to work differently

It is, but not my experience at all. My 164 lasted 2 years before it had issues. My heavily used PSR-300 is still motoring along fine. It could be that the RS models had issues that the GRE ones didn't. Or we both just got lemons

 

[wtp]

and my used one has been fine for years.

 

[jaspence]

The RS and GRE often have the same basic components in radios from GRE, with the GRE having more features activated than the RS. I have the last series from GRE in both RS and GRE versions. The factory upgrades give them equal performance features, but but only the GRE has the multi-color diode in the original versions.

 

[jugdish17]

A few things here;

• The only Burien that I could find in the database is in King county Washington state, found here Seattle-King County Public Safety (KCERS) Trunking System, Seattle, Washington
• The database mentions that this system is being migrated to a P25 Phase 2 system, so your 164 is going to run into issues when it does migrate, as it can't handle this kind of system
• It looks like you have every frequency for every site listed. (This is an 800Mhz system). You can't expect it to work like this, as it can't handle roaming from site to site (I don't think). You need to figure out which site is closest to you and use that one. Program other sites in other banks.
• It looks like the KCSO is all analog so you should be in the clear on that. However that system is shown to be a 'mixed mode' system in the database with some digital on it
• The PSR300 is functionally the same as the 164; I wouldn't expect it to work differently

A couple of questions in the Washington state forum is in order here, I think

Mike

Mike,
A. Correct on Burien location, it’s in Washington state 20 mins south of Seattle
B. I am reading the forum about P25 and how/what I need to do to continue scanning
C. Frequencies, all of them. When originally setting up my scanner, and not knowing/understanding exactly how to set it up, I downloaded the frequency list in hopes of capturing a specific precinct in Burien. It worked for a very long time until a couple days ago actually and couldn’t say why
D. I too believe they are still analog and further confuses me why trunking or scanning doesn’t work after re-uploading the data from pc.The last time I plugged the scanner in to the computer was about 8 years ago.

PSR 300 - would you consider that scanner to have some longevity with changes/upgrades cities are doing?

Thank you
Sean

 

[wtp]

the data on this site is created and kept up to date by regular folks, so it is usually behind the times.
so it could be that the entire system has moved onto the new P-25 sites.

 

[gmclam]

PSR 300 - would you consider that scanner to have some longevity with changes/upgrades cities are doing?

A month ago (and beyond) the PSR-300 worked fine in King County. As of this week, they switched systems and it cannot pick up the new P25 simulcast trunked system. The only hand-held scanner that can properly pick up the new King County system is the SDS-100. While we're able to monitor today, that could change too. The PSR-300 is still good for other things, but there are few trunked systems, especially in the Pacific Northwest, that it can receive.