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So now that the PRO-2055 Multi-Trunking scanner has finally been released and the PRO-96 was released in Aug. of 04, when do you think the GRE next gen digital will be out to compete with the awsome BCD396T?

I wonder if we'll still see V-scanner banks? Will GRE add LTR this time around? Will It be smaller than the PRO-97 or the same size as the PRO-99? How about upgradable firmware and full computer control? How about Signal Stalker II and scanning at the same time?
 

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The next scanner

Dave,
Having both the PRO-96 and the 97, and also having many Uniden scanners in the past, my vote would go this way:
If GRE could take the PRO-97 and add the digital capabilities to it that would be great.
It doesn't need to be any smaller, because that would effect audio.
Nothing worse then dixie cup quality audio... :)
"Signal Stalker II and scanning at the same time" - Not sure about that... It might be to much to listen to.
One concept that no scanner manufacturers have ever addressed is dual receivers/VFO's. Amateur radios do this, such as the Kenwood TH-F6A.
You can set both sides to scan at the same time.
To have that on a scanner would be cool... But again its like having 2 radios on at the same time. Maybe overkill.....
Bigger displays would be nice on ANY radio.... Thanks, Tom/G
 

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If GRE went with a virtual memory scenario, there would be no need for V-folders. As for size, I much prefer the size of the 396T, and I don't have a problem with its audio personally. Even though I have large hands and fingers, I much prefer smaller handhelds. After getting the 396T I have hardly touched my Pro-96. The 396T is just so much easier to transport and carry on your belt in my view than the likes of the 96 or 97. If GRE is gonna counter the 396T they may want to to rethink their approach a bit. Not that the 396T is perfect by any means. Uniden has some work to do also. It's an ever evolving process.
 

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With the PRO-97/2055 you can only scan or signal stalk at the same time. Uniden has overcome this with Cose Call options starting with the 246 and also search and scan at the same time on the 396.

I don't see GRE giving up the bank and channel configuration for virtual memory, except maybe some cut and paste options in addition to the virtual banks, but time will tell.

Only iCOM has done the real time VFO in the receiver market, other high end receiver manufacturers like AOR are using switchable A/B VFO. Maybe GRE could step up to the plate on this.

As for display, it looks as if GRE is stuck on one size. If you look at the PRO-92 on, including the mobile versions the display is the same size. Only recently on the PRO-97 did the amount of charactors and font size change.

Forgot something, when will GRE add I-Calls...
 
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396 vs PRO96

I have read the fantastic features on the 396 BUT, the PRO96 with its standard way of doing trunking, digital, text etc is a much better way of having a H/H-mobile while driving on vacation etc. This may be the OLD way but for us non-technical folks and i have been at this hobby for over 30 years i will be happy to keep the old style BANKS and SIZE with ease of programming, great audio, V-Folders, hey GRE/RS keep em comming!!!=Just my personal opinion.......
 

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i'm sue that they might come out with something to try and compete with the 396 .... after the 396 has lost it's coolnes. I agree with RoninJoliet follow the K.I.S.S. method and all will be good in the world
 

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The 396 will never loose it's coolness, but GRE tends to make the compitition work a little harder ;-)
 

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KT4HX said:
If GRE went with a virtual memory scenario, there would be no need for V-folders. As for size, I much prefer the size of the 396T, and I don't have a problem with its audio personally. Even though I have large hands and fingers, I much prefer smaller handhelds. After getting the 396T I have hardly touched my Pro-96. The 396T is just so much easier to transport and carry on your belt in my view than the likes of the 96 or 97. If GRE is gonna counter the 396T they may want to to rethink their approach a bit. Not that the 396T is perfect by any means. Uniden has some work to do also. It's an ever evolving process.

I think you are wrong about not needing the V-Scanner / V-Folders with so-called `virtual memory'. In fact it appears that the `virtual memory's' main `achille's heel' is that it makes it very tempting to stuff the scanner with a lot more `info' than the majority of users out there have the ability to `cope with' at one time. (The main `great?' thing about `virtual memory' is that one isn't limited to one set size banks. Ending up with banks that take more than just simple single button press to enable isn't all that great of an idea.) Having V-Scanner / V-Folders w/ `virtual memory' would allow one to be able to have several different `setups' whereby one could have systems that take 150 `channels' and systems that only take 20 `channels' grouped together according to `area' and then have an entirely different setup with entirely different bank sizes for another area and except for the loading of the new V-Scanner / V-Folder all one would have to deal with would be the `normal' 0 - 9 bank `numbering' as needed for moving around in whatever `area' one was in at the time. 'Course with the `advance?' towards `control channel' trunking VS the older `sub-audible data' and `LCN' type trunking having tens of thousands of `channels' along with `virtual memory' may turn out to be `overkill'. Especially if the scanner also has V-Scanner / V-Folders functionality. [Even with various assorted non-trunked stuff that some of listen to that might `need?' 100+ `channel' banks. (A good example would the the Railroad's 95 or so AAR `channels'.)])

As for the `size'... The PRO-97's size is probably pretty close to being perfect. While some of you younger people might claim to like a smaller size I put forth the debacle known as the cellphone. With the cellphones getting as small as they have it is becoming harder and harder for those of us who are older to easily use them. The buttons are harder than heck to both see and use and even though they have made some advances with the displays all the extra so-called `information' they are trying to cram onto them is becoming increasingly harder to see and use, too. (Before anyone squawks about scanners not getting more and more info on their displays take a look at some of the threads where there have been discussions about adding `features' like signal strength meters and other stuff to the displays and then take a look at some of the scanners out there that have things like that already.) I'm not all that old, 57, but already I am up to `tri-focals' and even they sometimes don't help and I really don't relish having to upgrade to something, like the new batch of cellphones for example, and `quad-focals' just to see what is on a display. Then add in those scannists who don't have quite the same `full use?' of their hands and fingers like youngsters do. Every time the buttons `shrink' the harder it becomes to use them. There are plenty other reason out there that make something around the size of the PRO-97, or maybe PRO-99, pretty close to optimum size, too.

Where scanner makers should start concentrating their efforts are things like improving their reception abilities (Being able to receive stuff other than just Moto and GE/Ma-com systems, adding LTR comes to mind, making their `decoding', both with the P25 spec modulation along with any newer modulation schemes and `Talk Groups'.), improving the power useage, and improving the ability to deal with adjacent channels and over powered and over modulated pager transmissions. (Yeah, I do know that `wideband' radios usually are a compromise when it comes to the latter. But... The `state of the art' being what it is I expect that they will soon be able to take care of it without too much problem or cost.)
 

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Well, you do have a few years on me, I'm a youngster of 51! I guess we can agree to disagree, and thats just fine. I do agree with you that manufacturers need to address a lot of technical issues. None of the current scanners are the solution to all of our needs by any stretch. There are a lot of issues involved in design and licensing, and I know at times that hinders development. However, I also believe that more can be done.

As for the physical size, I still prefer the smaller sized radios. I wear glasses as well, but I am quite comfortable with the display of the 396. And as for the key presses needed to access different systems on the unit, I have no issues with that either. I have a vast amount of systems at my disposal. I travel a great deal and I can have systems for all the areas I go to, large and small, already in my 396 and call them up rapidly as I change jurisdictions. For me this works. For some it doesn't. At least we have various sizes available to address personal issues.

I am not dissing GRE by any means. I have a Pro-96 at home and a Pro-2096 in my truck, as well as the 396. But I am constantly evaluating what works for me, and then updating my equipment compliment to fit my needs better. That is the neat thing about this hobby - we have a lot of varying likes, dislikes, needs and wants. And generally speaking, we have the equipment available to address those for most of us.
 

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The next generation....

Uniden did a good thing by having the dynamic bank allocation.
Like it or not, there are more and more trunked radio systems showing up every day.
Here in CT, only the bigger cities had trunking back 2/3 years ago.
Now many of the smaller towns are moving to trunking also.
When you have 10 banks and more then 10 trunking systems..... ?

As far as size goes, I am not a big proponent of smaller...
The size of the radio and Audio go hand in hand.......

Yaesu did a smart thing with their highly successfull VX-150.
The radio worked great and had excellent audio.
Now Yaesu comes out with the replacement for it, the VX-170 and its a bigger radio and has even better audio. (700mw actually)

I like to take a radio outside, put it on the belt clip, and play ball with the kids, and if I can't hear it clearly, I don't like it.
The PRO-96 and 97 are awesome when I do this.
My BC-250 was not that hot...
Most of my HAM gear is now commercial GE/Ericsson or Motorola and with those handhelds you can run them in you car with the windows down at highway speeds and still hear everything perfectly.
 

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Can't disagree with you regarding the difference in audio levels between the Pro-96 and 396. However, in the applications I use my 396 in, the audio is not a problem for me. I much prefer to use amplified external speakers (Motorola usually) for the most part while mobile. Again comes down to what works for each individual. I can deal with a little less audio for the flexibility I get from the 396. But then that is just me.
 

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Yup, It is a personel thing.....
I have not heard (or seen) a 396 yet, but I have heard a 246 and it seemed pretty loud.
 

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DaveIN said:
I don't see GRE giving up the bank and channel configuration for virtual memory


I sure hope not, I like having the choice of both :) Nothing beats the old fashion way!
 

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BaLa said:
Isn't the 396T roughly the same size as the Pro83?

Yep. It's a little taller, but about the same depth and the width is about the same as the 'skinny' part of the PRO-83.

Joe M.
 

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Ok, If GRE keeps the Bank/Channel setup and V-Scanner, then they at least need to increase the number of talkgroups per bank. Many users listen to more than 150 talkgroups per bank. If you need to import a state system into memory then you need something more "realistic" like 500, so you can alpha tag them using Don Starr's WinXX progams, right?
 

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DaveIN said:
If you need to import a state system into memory then you need something more "realistic" like 500, so you can alpha tag them using Don Starr's WinXX progams, right?

If that happens you are going to be paying BIG BUCKS for the scanner, as the 200 TG limit Uniden has is due to processing power limitations. There are only so many TGs you can look up before the next one comes down the line on the control channel. IOW, you would need one 150% faster (250% of the speed)than the one in the BCD396T to be able to handle 500 TGs. That's quote a leap considering the timeframe available for processor evolution (only a few months). But, if they keep the 'brick' size they seem to like, maybe they will be able to do that since they won't need the latest micro-size macro-power processor. Remember - technology costs and small size costs. Don't count on getting both in one unit for the same price.

I think they may increase it to 200 or maybe 250, but there isn't THAT much of a market for 500 TGs when you can divide them between two banks. "Realistic-ly", how many people are going to need 500 TGs? You are already quickly approaching the point of no return with 200 TGs to monitor. How long before 'scanning' no longer applies, as you are missing most of the conversations you supposedly want to hear?

It's the same with conventional channels. There is a point of no return. When a typical conversation may last 10 seconds and you are scanning the channel once every 60 seconds, you really aren't going to hear much on it, and that's not counting stopping on other channels.

Joe M.
 

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Tom_G said:
One concept that no scanner manufacturers have ever addressed is dual receivers/VFO's. Amateur radios do this, such as the Kenwood TH-F6A.
You can set both sides to scan at the same time.
To have that on a scanner would be cool... But again its like having 2 radios on at the same time. Maybe overkill....
Then again, you could priority scan a trunked system that way.
 

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DaveIN said:
Ok, If GRE keeps the Bank/Channel setup and V-Scanner, then they at least need to increase the number of talkgroups per bank. Many users listen to more than 150 talkgroups per bank. If you need to import a state system into memory then you need something more "realistic" like 500, so you can alpha tag them using Don Starr's WinXX progams, right?

Why would you ever need to program that many talk groups? Just because a system has a lot of talk groups, doesn't mean you would ever want to monitor them all. Some can be quite boring.

For MPSCS in Michigan, I program an handful of talk groups I want to hear. Then I scan just those. If I want to hear eveything on the entire system, then I scan in search I.D. mode, or open mode, depending on the scanner.
 

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MacombMonitor said:
Why would you ever need to program that many talk groups? Just because a system has a lot of talk groups, doesn't mean you would ever want to monitor them all. Some can be quite boring.

For MPSCS in Michigan, I program an handful of talk groups I want to hear. Then I scan just those. If I want to hear eveything on the entire system, then I scan in search I.D. mode, or open mode, depending on the scanner.

Agree with that. I suppose some might want to monitor all talkgroups, but I never have plugged in all of them. That would put me to sleep! Ive got enough to listen to with the groups I want to hear! Thats the good point of ID Search. lol
 
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