PSERN Digital P25P2 System

jondeaux

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Greetings Y'all,

I started reporting updates to the admins as I find them, I have my SDS100 monitoring the new PSERN system and wanted to ask for some advise from those more knowledgeable when working with a new system coming online.

Currently I have my scanner setup for ID searching and NAC searching. I have Sys ID, RFSS ID, WACN, UID, frequency, Site ID, LCN displayed on the lower portions of my SDS100 scanner. Are there any more pertinent information/details that are really needed when "discovering" a new system that's coming online.

At this moment, the only system I am monitoring full time is the new PSERN network. Also, does anyone have any advise for detecting new towers that we haven't discovered yet.

Thanks
-Jon
 

nessnet

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The best way I've found to work a new system is using 2X RTL-SDR and DSD+ / Fastlane. This will give you a TON of info.

33.2 854.28750 King, County of 3203 SOUTH 360TH STREET/FEDERAL WAY/KING 20K0F3E
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33.2 854.28750 FLETCHER, HEALD & HILDRETH, P.L 3203 SOUTH 360TH STREET/FEDERAL WAY/KING 20K0F3E
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33.0 854.28750 ADCOMM ENGINEERING COMPANY 16550 487TH AVE SE/NORTH BEND/KING 8K10F1E 9K80D7W
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27.7 854.28750 King, County of Rattlesnake, 3.2 kilometers south of/North Bend 20K0F3E
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27.7 854.28750 FLETCHER, HEALD & HILDETH, P.L. RATTLESNAKE, 3.2 KM SOUTH OF/NORTH BEND/KING 20K0F3E
27.7 854.28750 Valley Communications Center Rattlesnake, 3.2 KM south of/North Bend/KING 20K0F3E
27.7 854.28750 KING, COUNTY OF RATTLESNAKE 2 MI S/NORTH BEND/KING 20K0F3E
27.7 854.28750 KING, COUNTY OF 14600 RATTLESNAKE RD. SE (/SEATTLE/KING 20K0F3E
27.7 854.28750 ADCOMM ENGINEERING COMPANY 14600 Rattlesnake Rd. SE (/Seattle/KING 8K70D1W 9K80D7W
27.7 854.28750 ADCOMM Engineering Company 14600 RATTLESNAKE RD. SE/SEATTLE/KING 20K0F3E
27.7 854.28750 VALLEY COMMUNICATIONS CENTER 14600 RATTLESNAKE RD. SE/SEATTLE/KING 20K0F3E
27.7 854.28750 VALLEY COMMUNICATIONS CENTER 14600 RATTLESNAKE RD. SE (/SEATTLE/KING 20K0F3E
27.3 854.28750 KING, COUNTY OF 26512 MILITARY RD/KENT/KING 20K0F3E
27.3 854.28750 VALLEY COMMUNICATIONS CENTER 26512 MILITARY ROAD/KENT/KING 20K0F3E
27.3 854.28750 KING, COUNTY OF 26512 MILITARY ROAD/KENT/KING 20K0F3E
27.3 854.28750 VALLEY COMMUNICATIONS CENTER 26512 MILITARY RD/KENT/KING 20K0F3E
27.3 854.28750 FLETCHER, HEALD & HILDRETH, P.L 26512 MILITARY ROAD/KENT/KING 20K0F3E
23.6 854.28750 VALLEY COMMUNICATIONS CENTER 8971 SE VIEWPARK RD/PORT ORCHARD/KITSAP 20K0F3E
23.6 854.28750 KING, COUNTY OF 8971 SE VIEWPARK RD/PORT ORCHARD/KITSAP 20K0F3E
23.6 854.28750 KING, COUNTY OF 8971 SE VIEW PARK/PORT ORCHARD/KITSAP 20K0F3E
23.6 854.28750 VALLEY COMMUNICATIONS CENTER 8971 SE VIEW PARK/PORT ORCHARD/KITSAP 20K0F3E
23.6 854.28750 FLETCHER, HEALD & HILDRETH, P.L 8971 SE VIEW PARK/PORT ORCHARD/KITSAP 20K0F3E
22.9 854.28750 ADCOMM ENGINEERING COMPANY 29200 SE 128th Street/Issaquah/KING 8K10F1D 9K80D7W
21.3 854.28750 ADCOMM ENGINEERING COMPANY 10812 279TH AVE SE/Issaquah/KING 8K10F1D 9K80D7W
19.5 854.28750 VALLEY COMMUNICATIONS CENTER SQUAK MOUNTAIN 1 MI S/ISSAQUAH/KING 20K0F3E
19.5 854.28750 VALLEY COMMUNICATIONS CENTER SQUAK MOUNTAIN, 2 KILOMETERS SOUTH OF/ISSAQUAH/ 20K0F3E
19.5 854.28750 King, County of Squak Mountain, 2 kilometers south of/Issaquah/ 20K0F3E
19.5 854.28750 FLETCHER, HEALD & HILDRETH, P.L SQUAK MOUNTAIN, 2 KM SOUTH OF/ISSAQUAH/KING 20K0F3E
19.5 854.28750 FLETCHER, HEALD & HILDRETH, P.L SQUAK MOUNTAIN, 2 KM SOUTH/ISSAQUAH/KING 20K0F3E
19.5 854.28750 Fletcher, Heald & Hildreth, P.L Squak Mountain, 2 Kilometers south of/Issaquah/ 20K0F3E
19.5 854.28750 KING, COUNTY OF SQUAK MOUNTAIN 1 MI S/ISSAQUAH/KING 20K0F3E
19.5 854.28750 ADCOMM ENGINEERING COMPANY SQUAK MT, 10900 SQUAK MT RD/ISSAQUAH/KING 8K10F1D 9K80D7W
18.5 854.28750 KING, COUNTY OF SKYWAY 68TH AVE S & S 124TH ST/SEATTLE/KING 20K0F3E
18.5 854.28750 VALLEY COMMUNICATIONS CENTER 69TH AVE. S AND S 124TH AVE./SEATTLE/KING 20K0F3E
18.5 854.28750 KING, COUNTY OF 69TH AVE. S AND S 124TH AVE./SEATTLE/KING 20K0F3E
18.5 854.28750 VALLEY COMMUNICATIONS CENTER SKYWAY 68TH AVE S & S 124TH ST/SEATTLE/KING 20K0F3E
18.5 854.28750 FLETCHER, HEALD & HILDETH, P.L. 69TH AVE. S AND S 124TH AVE./SEATTLE/KING 20K0F3E
16.3 854.28750 KING, COUNTY OF Cougar Mtn - 3 Miles West of/Issaquah/KING 8K10F1D 9K80D7W
15.1 854.28750 KING, COUNTY OF 12412 Newcastle Way/Bellevue/KING 8K70D1W 9K80D7W
9.35 854.28750 VALLEY COMMUNICATIONS CENTER RING HILL 228TH AVE NE & NE 175TH ST/DUVALL/KIN 20K0F3E
9.35 854.28750 KING, COUNTY OF RING HILL 228TH AVE NE & NE 175TH ST/DUVALL/KIN 20K0F3E
9.27 854.28750 King, County of 228TH AVENUE NE & NE 175TH STREET/DUVALL/KING 20K0F3E
9.27 854.28750 KING, COUNTY OF 228TH AVENUE NE & NE 175TH STREET/DUVALL/KING 8K70D1W 9K80D7W
9.27 854.28750 Fletcher, Heald & Hildreth, P.L 228TH AVENUE NE & NE 175TH STREET/DUVALL/KING 20K0F3E
9.27 854.28750 VALLEY COMMUNICATIONS CENTER 228TH AVENUE NE & NE 175TH STREET/DUVALL/KING 20K0F3E
7.27 854.28750 KING, COUNTY OF 10365 172nd Ave NE/Redmond/KING 8K10F1E 9K80D7W
5.56 854.28750 KING, COUNTY OF 19303 FREMONT AVE N/SEATTLE/KING 20K0F3E
5.56 854.28750 VALLEY COMMUNICATIONS CENTER 19303 FREMONT AVE N/SEATTLE/KING 20K0F3E
5.55 854.28750 FLETCHER, HEALD & HILDRETH, P.L 19303 FREMONT AVE N/SEATTLE/KING 20K0F3E
5.55 854.28750 King, County of 19303 FREMONT AVE N/SEATTLE/KING 20K0F3E
5.55 854.28750 VALLEY COMMUNICATIONS CENTER 19303 FREMONT AVE N/SEATTLE/KING 20K0F3E
1.69 854.28750 KING, COUNTY OF 16302 104th Ave NE (SE02007A)/Bothell/KING 8K10F1D 9K80D7W

With your SDS100:
I would suggest using ProScan to log any activity.
 

devicelab

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The TGIDs won't start coming in until the system is about to go live. I think it's still 6 months to a year away so you have time. It's a waiting game. Encryption will make it more difficult to know what TGIDs are what anyway. We can possibly infer some channels based upon RIDs used but we'll have to see.
 

jondeaux

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i was able to figure out which one is the strongest signal (west king county) I'm at 100% signal with RSSI between -40 ~ -57. I did some poking around and created 2 fav lists on the scanner 1 that is from the normal RR database as we update it .. and the second fav list I plugged in the towers listed on the (RR call sign searching) and all the frequencies listed per tower location. The system I'm monitoring is assigned to call sign WRAT815. As usual today the voice testing was done by radio techs. No new TGID's were picked up. I have 1 new TGID submitted to DB admins for review from the other day. I was able to verify that my secondary fav list did work, and is receiving signals. So now we just wait for things to pop up and I'll get them over to the DB admins for review.

Jon
WRNW896 (GMRS)
 
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devicelab

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Jon, don't bother submitting voice channels for this system -- there's no point. Scanners don't need them -- just the control channels, primary and alternate.
 

nessnet

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Issue 41
October 7, 2021




Project Announcements
  • Radio Deployment Scheduling Discussions Underway: During the next two months, the PSERN Project will be contacting agencies to discuss and finalize the Radio Deployment Schedule. It is important that Project Contacts review the Scheduling FAQ with their staff and prepare to discuss scheduling.
  • PSERN Operator Hiring: The PSERN Operator is hiring an Administrator III to support the operational needs of the new PSERN System.
  • Hiring for DAS Transition: The Project is still recruiting for two more Electronic Communications Specialists to perform DAS (Distributed Antenna System) quality assurance work.
  • DAS Property Reminder: Properties with Distributed Antenna Systems (DAS) need to hire a DAS Vendor to be ready for the transition next year. There are over 650 DAS in King County, so the DAS Vendor community will be very busy reconfiguring and validating DAS. Contracting paperwork is often time-consuming, so secure a DAS Vendor soon!
  • Fire Marshal & DAS Vendor Forum: The PSERN Project will be hosting a webinar on November 2nd from 10am – 12pm for Fire Marshals to review their approach to DAS code compliance in transitioning to the new PSERN System and to answer questions. DAS Vendors who are interested in attending, please email DAS-PSERN@kingcounty.gov.
Coverage Testing Status
The PSERN Project has completed the first phase of the BER (Bit Error Rate) signal quality and the DAQ (Delivered Audio Quality) or “Can you hear me now?” testing in the metropolitan area. During that process, there were a number of tiles (.2-mile testing squares) that were identified as inaccessible, but after conducting further research, we are pleased to announce that approximately 2000 tiles that were previously designated as inaccessible will be able to be tested. We expect testing of those tiles to be complete this month. Results will be shared when all testing is completed.
Radio Deployment Scheduling Process
There are many elements that must be integrated in the Radio Deployment Schedule to meet time and resource constraints, so the Project will be following these steps to collaboratively determine exact scheduling details with agencies:
  • Collect vehicle information from agencies with mobile radios.
  • Draft the Radio Deployment Schedule dates/times/locations based on the deployment waves, vehicle information, contract requirements to install 35 mobile radios a day, and providing multiple mobile installation depots, as well as multiple portable distribution locations for minimizing agency travel time.
  • Review the draft schedule with each agency to answer questions and integrate any needed adjustments.
  • Obtain agency commitment to fulfill the schedule.
Once all agencies commit to the Radio Deployment Schedule, the Project will begin a reminder schedule of reconfirming the deployment details 1 month prior, 1 week prior, and 1 day prior. Agencies will be responsible for notifying the Project as soon as possible if they need to reschedule.


PSERN Project Schedule
Dates are accurate as of 9/23/21:
  • Site Construction: April 2016 - November 2021* (building radio towers and infrastructure)
  • Programming Templates: October 2019 - November 2021 (developing/programming per radio)
  • Radio Frequency Coverage Testing: March 2021 - October 2021* (testing end-user signal quality)
  • Operational and Functional Testing: November 2021 - December 2021 (testing system and end-user radio functions and features)*
  • Radio End-User Pilot Testing: December 2021 - January 2022 (proof of concept end-user testing)
  • Radio Deployment & Transition: January 2022 - October 2022 (distribution of agency radios)
  • Full System Acceptance: March 2023 (transition operations to PSERN Operator)
*Update since last month​


Vehicle Information Collection
There are two reasons that the Project needs to collect specific vehicle information from agencies to create the Radio Deployment Schedule. The first reason is that the duration of a mobile radio installation varies based on the type of vehicle and therefore that information is needed to determine adequate appointment duration. The second reason is that the current radio ID’s will be used by the new PSERN radios and so the exchange of old and new radios must be exact. Current radio ID’s are being reused because the PSERN radios will need to maintain interoperability with neighboring analog radio systems, like Snohomish County, Pierce County, Port of Seattle, Port of Tacoma, and City of Tacoma. All analog ID numbers in the region are already in use, so careful management is key to maintaining interoperability.
Radio Deployment & Transition to PSERN
Next year agencies will be receiving their new PSERN radios during the Radio Deployment and then transitioning to the new PSERN System. It is helpful to recognize that although both events will be following wave groupings, they are distinct events that can be decoupled if necessary because they depend on separate milestones. The Radio Deployment will begin when the radios for a wave have been received, the programming of those radio templates are complete (including both analog and digital channels), and the deployment schedule is set. Agencies can transition to the PSERN System when the Pilot Test, Operational/Functional Test, and Coverage Test are all successful and they have received their new PSERN radios.
If, for example, the testing is not complete prior to the start date of Wave 1 Radio Deployment, but the radios have been received, programmed, and deployment scheduled, the deployment can move forward. The agencies however would not transition to the new PSERN System until the testing is successful. They would simply continue to use the current analog KCERCS System on their new PSERN radios. Additionally, if testing is not complete after all of Wave 1 agencies have received radios, buildings with Distributed Antenna Systems (DAS) may delay turning off their DAS until there is a set date for transition. This parallel approach will allow the Project to ensure that radios are deployed efficiently, DAS downtime is minimized, and that the new PSERN System meets all requirements before transition.
 

freqseeker

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I would hope primary dispatch talkgroups would be in the clear like surrounding systems. At least one Valley PD commander said everything PD will be encrypted. That's just a rumor at this point.
 
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