I have been seeing a bunch of affiliations requests for the past 2 hours on the Hamilton tower.. TG's 24127, 24125, 24121, 24114, 24129, 24124, 24117 with the RID's in the 7538xx and 7539xx range.
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Around 9:02 this morning the new system went down old system jumped data channels wonder if the switch is coming. Oxford Tower
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Just came up wow the amount of radios doing the "Group Affiliation " after it came back up was cool to watch
Are the 700 MHz repeaters on the ambulances being used anywhere? No traffic on them here in Ottawa.
Yep, they've been logged plenty across southwestern Ontario. Is there any indication new hardware has been installed in Ottawa region ambulances? If not, unlikely to be active.
I have heard radio tech's testing the on the FleetNet talkgroups asking for radio tests, however Ottawa still uses the MCS 2000's and the Tait Orca's.
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Peterborough is the farthest east that have the LMRN radios installed. For the 700 MHz repeaters, OPP and MOH. I checked the next detachment to the east which is Center Hastings (Madoc) . They are still using the old 400 MHz and also every detachment up Hwy 7 to Ottawa. Sharbot Lake, Perth, Carelton Place. This is as of this past week.
No new control channels yet that I have logged in the area but it will happen. Lots to do implementing this system. Take it while you got it.
FleetNet Zone 1 is being transitioned first, then once its all converted work will start on the next zone. I expect those will transition a lot faster because all the testing will have been done on zone 1.
I was in Hamilton yesterday. I checked the PSRN neighbor site listing for the Hamilton site.(7). It is just showing site 40 (Toronto). I did not see any activity on it for the short time I was able to monitor it..
I also drove right by the Kitchener site (3). Its neighbor list is 4, 5, 7, 9, 12, 15, 21, 23, 33. I only heard TG 2013 (MTO Patrol 13 [Hwy 401/7/8) active. No EMS although I have seen Cambridge EMS TG on site 18(Woodstock) and 33(tavisitock).
I was in Hamilton yesterday. I checked the PSRN neighbor site listing for the Hamilton site.(7). It is just showing site 40 (Toronto). I did not see any activity on it for the short time I was able to monitor it..
I also drove right by the Kitchener site (3). Its neighbor list is 4, 5, 7, 9, 12, 15, 21, 23, 33. I only heard TG 2013 (MTO Patrol 13 [Hwy 401/7/8) active. No EMS although I have seen Cambridge EMS TG on site 18(Woodstock) and 33(tavisitock).
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I'll proffer an informed guess why: It makes sense from a project management focus to transition a user group by the regional org chart/reporting lines so that a user group region is not split by the radio systems transition boundary between old and new.
The Hastings County western line is a strategic line for the transition project because:
The eastern boundary of the the OPP Central Region includes Haliburton, Peterborough, and Northumberland, but does not include Center Hastings or Quinte West or Bancroft which is in OPP Eastern Region. I suspect that the Central Region OPP will transition onto LMRN as a group, and that the Eastern Region will move at a separate time.
The eastern boundary of the MOH Lindsay CACC also stops at the same Hastings County boundary with Haliburton, Peterborough and Northumberland, with Hastings Paramedics dispatches from Kingston CACC.
The MTO Eastern Region boundary is farther west, but over the summer there is much less MTO operations radio traffic, and Ottawa TMC may already be equipped with a console on LMRN that allows them to communicate with Eastern Patrols in LMRN and FleetNet as the migration sweeps.
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I added more sites on the map, to the east of Zone 1, up to the boundary of Central Ontario and Eastern Ontario.
The data is from the radio reference of Zone 1 FleetNet, combined with new sites we're seeing in TAFL for MOH.
Will obviously adjust/update once control channels are broadcasting more metadata, we get site numbers etc.
The data is from the radio reference of Zone 1 FleetNet, combined with new sites we're seeing in TAFL for MOH.
Will obviously adjust/update once control channels are broadcasting more metadata, we get site numbers etc.
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Added, thanks.
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Hearing a mobile radio installer communicating with Lindsay CACC today on Tactical 3. They were checking out two ambulances that apparently had mobile radio work. They cycled through each microphone and portable radio, and tested the speaker-mics separately.
This was via FleetNet, but suggests that the new mobile radio for LMRN and 700MHz portables are able to signal more information than the prior mobile and Tait portables, even on the Smartnet system.
The Mobiles appear on the dispatcher console as the Ambulance ID. For example, 4933 The portables are ID with the ambulance number with Delta (First Portable) or Echo (Second Portable) suffix. And when using the Speaker-mic, the dispatcher can apparently see SPO01 or SP02 in the ID. They also tested a button from the rear radio position, but I don't know what they said - something like Mult button.
It would be helpful to know if they are embedding the Ambulance ID in the RID, or is the Trunking/Console core system doing a translation from RID to displayed unit number. It's also interesting to ponder how they are supporting mobile to mobile Unit Number display.
That requires a call list in each radio. I assume that can be pushed using OTAP once on the P25 control channel/system
This was via FleetNet, but suggests that the new mobile radio for LMRN and 700MHz portables are able to signal more information than the prior mobile and Tait portables, even on the Smartnet system.
The Mobiles appear on the dispatcher console as the Ambulance ID. For example, 4933 The portables are ID with the ambulance number with Delta (First Portable) or Echo (Second Portable) suffix. And when using the Speaker-mic, the dispatcher can apparently see SPO01 or SP02 in the ID. They also tested a button from the rear radio position, but I don't know what they said - something like Mult button.
It would be helpful to know if they are embedding the Ambulance ID in the RID, or is the Trunking/Console core system doing a translation from RID to displayed unit number. It's also interesting to ponder how they are supporting mobile to mobile Unit Number display.
That requires a call list in each radio. I assume that can be pushed using OTAP once on the P25 control channel/system
It's the DVRS that supports things like radio id's from portables.
P25 alias. No call list necessary. Similar to the old Soft ID or DMR Talker alias.
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I was told by someone on here that site 03 and 11 are now neighbours with Hamilton.
Which makes some sense because 3 is Kitchener, and 11 is Cayuga. But I'm wondering why Mississauga and Toronto are not neighbours with Hamilton also?
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Hamilton Site will have a unique coverage pattern due to topography.
It's on a tall building, but in lower Hamilton below the escarpment.
It's great for the Oakville/Burlington lakeshore, south of the 407 and similarly along the QEW through Grimsby to Vineland.
The coverage toward Kitchener and Cayuga will be relatively limited as the RF from Hamilton is driving into the side of Hamilton Mountain.
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By your map, I think there are still some coverage issues and blind spots to sort out. - I wonder how they intend to do that... they could always raise the mast in hamilton to get it over the escarpment by moving the site up to Ben Lomond, where the HSR, et al. is located.
The auto alias (talker alias) is generated by the console. It is sent to the radios in the overhead data (TG, Voice, KID, ALGID) data. It appears that the data may be encrypted. If so, this would indicate it's sent on the voice channel rather than the CC.
The actual Motorola feature is called Group Services. Many systems have this feature. KW Fire for instance uses it. It's possible Toronto, and other larger systems do as well. No scanner is configured to capture the data. The same for DSD. Although if the packet is located I am sure that DSD may add that to its features.
The actual Motorola feature is called Group Services. Many systems have this feature. KW Fire for instance uses it. It's possible Toronto, and other larger systems do as well. No scanner is configured to capture the data. The same for DSD. Although if the packet is located I am sure that DSD may add that to its features.
Yes, that data is sent on the voice channel only. And as you say if the voice is encrypted, so are the aliases.
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