Putnam County, NY new 700 Mhz TRS??

[rja1]

I was looking here P25 Digital Frequency Search Results and found a bunch of P25 frequencies licensed to Put county. The service code (SY) says it's for public safety. Anyone heard anything on these frequencies? Anyone have any info on this new system? Standard P25 Trunk or simulcast? Phase I or PII?

Bob
N2OAM

 

[GTR8000]

It won't be anytime soon, that's for sure. They have requested a 5 year extended implementation period, August 2022 deadline.

It's going to be a countywide simulcast, 9 sites, and will be FDMA (Phase I).

 

[rja1]

Dug a little deeper & found the emissions designator, 8K70D1W. RR shows that as a P25 Phase I LSM system. Maybe I'll keep my SDS100 & get lots more use from my Unication G5's. All sites show 100 watts output, but the Carmel site shows 350 Watts ERP & the Mahopac site shows 150 Watts ERP. Obviously, those two sites are using gain antennas. Neither site is on the edge of coverage area, so I'll assume they are using omnidirectional antennas.
Never heard of any coverage problems with the VHF Hi band they have been using for 40 years. Sounds like our ever increasing tax $$$ were burning a hole in their pockets. If it works, don't fix it.

 

[radioman2001]

Race to waste, I talked to their radio officer some years back when they wanted to piggyback off the MTA PD system. There are portable coverage issues which bring up problems every once and awhile. I had suggested some improvements, but Mother M and H are in their pants pushing 700mhz. Sounds more like they want "E" more than anything else, and that along with putting everybody on the same system. It's going to happen in DC also.

 

[bill11312]

It is in the early stages of build. Some new microwaves that have been installed to better the current system. Towers are going up. The current system is antiquated. There is a struggle with coverage, "especially" police on high band! Low band is a duplex system and units are always covering each other. Not their fault, they just don't hear other units talking. Fire departments mostly use their own firegrounds which are both VHF and UHF, and sometimes use low band firegrounds. Parts for current system are hard to find so this is the best option. I have NOT heard anything about the system being "E". It is being built as a Phase 1 trunked system. The current system Doesn't work so that's why it's being Fixed.

 

[rja1]

Nice to hear from all the locals! I'm in Mahopac. Looks like we will be outta here (NY) by the time this system is built. Will relocate to a place that doesn't tax you to death & has respect for the constitution & the bill of rights, especially #1, #2 and #4. Used to listen to the PD, but more & more, it's just boring. I guess all the good stuff is on cellphones & the MDT terminals. I've been a utility junkie since I was a kid & have always listened to NYSEG. Normal chatter on most days, but if we have a severe weather event, it gets very busy & very interesting (to me, YMMV). I never realized just how many calls I was missing till I got the ICOM R30. I just put in all the voice & ACC's for the eastern side of the state. Works better than the SDS100, WAY better. Nothing more frustrating than hearing comms on, say, the Woodstock site and watch the SDS100 scan right past it, again and again. It sees the control channel, but scans right past it. I'm thinking the sensitivity in VHF Hi is awful. The SDS shows 2 bars on the Woodstock site, The ICOM is full scale. Would love to hook the SDS up to a service monitor & see what's really going on. Both receivers are fed from a DPD Omni X fed with RG11 through a Polyphaser arrestor, a homebrew Hi Pass filter (I run QRO on 75 Meters) and into a Stridesburg multicoupler.
There's nothing here that's LSM........Should have bought 2 R30's.....one for home & a portable.

73,
Bob

 

[ff026]

Rockland is LSM

 

[seagravebuff60]

There is a struggle with coverage, "especially" police on high band! Low band is a duplex system and units are always covering each other. Not their fault, they just don't hear other units talking.

Bingo! There are definitely units stepping over each other on low band and it causes madness and frustration especially for the dispatchers.

 

[TedWCM]

I hear Putnam county is changing their county wide radio equipment and freq's
Anyone have any info ???

 

[APX8000]

I’ll spoon feed you...

Scroll down in the NY forums and you’ll see this:

http://forums.radioreference.com/in...ty,-NY-new-700-Mhz-TRS??.386959/&share_type=t

Or use the search function.


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[doctordialtone]

What does "WTK" mean?

 

[TedWCM]

What does "WTK" mean?

Want To Know WTK ?.

 

[TedWCM]

Well the New System is coming real soon. My VFD has been told not to purchase any new radios as the new system is being implemented.

Anyone know what type Portables will be used ??

 

[TedWCM]

Signal Zero thanks for Link. The new system is going into service very soon as my VFD has been told not to purchase any new radios

 

[TedWCM]

2nd question What scanners are able to monitor Trunked Public Safety 700 MHz

 

[GTR8000]

Putnam County is a long way from having any sort of trunked system operational. Whoever is telling agencies not to buy radios because the system "is going into service very soon" is giving out bad advice. The county's most optimistic estimate is by 2021 or 2022, and frankly, there are always numerous unforeseen roadblocks and delays that wind up adding years to those deadlines.

Just ask Orange how their original deadline of Jun-Oct of 2016 for system completion and cutover is working out for them. In April of last year, they finally got one site at the 911 center online. One site out of 14 total planned, and it remained that way for a full year, until just recently when a couple more went online up north/out west. They're still months (optimistically) away from being anywhere close to having any sort of usable system.

 

[seagravebuff60]

What scanners are able to monitor Trunked Public Safety 700 MHz

It depends. If Putnam is going to go with P25 Trunked, then I would recommend a Uniden BCD325P2 (Handheld) or a BCD996P2 (Base/Mobile). Other models that support P25 can be found here. Scroll down to the section that says "Scanner Support FDMA and TDMA".

 

[GTR8000]

Like most countywide systems in the region (operational or planned), Putnam's will be a simulcast. That means multiple physical transmitter sites throughout the county all transmitting on the same frequencies at the same time. While that sort of setup is great for providing wide-area coverage and making the most of a small number of frequencies, the majority of scanners tend to have a hard time with simulcast cells.

Currently the only two scanners that are very reliable with P25 simulcast systems are the Uniden SDS100 (handheld) and SDS200 (base/mobile). Alternately, the Unication G4 and G5 series pagers work well with P25 simulcast systems, although they are not as feature rich as a scanner would be.

My advice would be to take a "wait and see" approach, before running out and spending $600+ on one of the aforementioned devices. As I noted in my previous post, this system is a long way from being built, much less being operational. Whoever is saying otherwise is misinformed. By the time the system is actually on the air, there may be additional scanner models that handle simulcast well, or prices may have gone down by then, etc.

 

[seagravebuff60]

According to a post from Putnam County BES on Facebook Yesterday, The Proactive Services Committee has Approved the long-awaited 700 800 MHz Trunked Radio System Project. That means that they will finally get the 700 800 MHz Trunked that they desperately need to improve communication for first responders! The FB Post did not specify what kind of equipment they will be using but I assume it will be a P25 System Simular to the projected future Westchester System and the existing Orange County System. If you look at the Putnam County Database Page Under the FCC Licence you can see possible future 700 800 Trunked Frequencies. These were all grated in the Summer of 2017.

Now what they are replacing, I have heard something along the lines of replacing the whole 911 system. Low band Fire and VHF Sheriff and 911 Poling. There def are areas of no coverage for first responders especially in the west. There is definitely a huge problem with units (Fire) stepping on each other on the Low band System. Exactly how the future Trunked system will turn out is completely unknown yet.

I have also not herd anything about the construction of future sites or towers or anything. I'm assuming they will be using existing sites and possibly adding a few more.

 

[GTR8000]

Details in this thread. Yes, it will be a P25 system.

Putnam County, NY new 700 Mhz TRS??

I was looking here P25 Digital Frequency Search Results and found a bunch of P25 frequencies licensed to Put county. The service code (SY) says it's for public safety. Anyone heard anything on these frequencies? Anyone have any info on this new system? Standard P25 Trunk or simulcast...

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