Quebec info on the rr database

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I notice that there a couple of vhf freqs for the SQ and I am wondering if the person who contributed them could get back to me. I am stuck in the hospital here in Quebec and have finally recieved my lap top and scanner and am looking to build up the info on the province. There are several vhf control channels similar to the bell fleetnet for east ontario but the base and offset must be different so I am going to be screwing around trying different configurations. Any advice would be great.

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J ai vu que il y a chelque canals pour la SQ ici dans le Database. Si le persone qui a faire ca peux me repondre ici parce que je serche pour les autres information aussi il y a des VHF TRUNKING SYSTEMS ici vers 141.xxx et 142.xxx mais je nai pas des info de OFFSET etc.


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Good luck to you Peteman, hope u are in a decent hospital, some of those in Quebec are bad!

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peteman said:
I notice that there a couple of vhf freqs for the SQ and I am wondering if the person who contributed them could get back to me. I am stuck in the hospital here in Quebec and have finally recieved my lap top and scanner and am looking to build up the info on the province. There are several vhf control channels similar to the bell fleetnet for east ontario but the base and offset must be different so I am going to be screwing around trying different configurations. Any advice would be great.

Thank you

Bon Jour,

Now that my knowledge of French is exhausted...

HydroQuebec has a very big Motorola trunked system spanning at least Southern Quebec in the 142 MHz region.
http://www.radioreference.com/modules.php?name=TRSDB&sid=1797

There is also discussion of HydroQuebec on this thread.
http://www.radioreference.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=18876

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peteman said:
I notice that there a couple of vhf freqs for the SQ and I am wondering if the person who contributed them could get back to me. I am stuck in the hospital here in Quebec and have finally recieved my lap top and scanner and am looking to build up the info on the province. There are several vhf control channels similar to the bell fleetnet for east ontario but the base and offset must be different so I am going to be screwing around trying different configurations. Any advice would be great.

Thank you

SQ is conventional and have more than a couple of channels. Scan the range 166.500-167.340 for most of them. In the Montreal area and
elsewhere they are also in the 152-155MHz range. There are lists around, possibly on:

www.infoscan.urgence.qc.ca

although you may need to sign up, and it is primarily in french.

The H-Q Astro system uses base 142.005, offset 380, step 5. See the database for more details. Eric and I have done some updates recently.

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Doing a search on TAFL brings up some interesting findings.
GOUV. QUEBEC, SERVICE AERIEN GOUVERNEMENTAL, DEPT AVIONIQUE

http://www.radioreference.com/modules.php?name=RR&aid=2377 seems like it could use a bit of an update.

I'm close enough to some of the towers that the QPP are on. I don't listen to them at all really seeing as they're french.

141.915 HULL, QC./ LITCHFIELD, QC. GOUVERNEMENT DU QUEBEC (C.T.) DIRECTION GENERALE DES TELECOM.

I've seen this as listed somewhere as prisoner transport I think.

141.540 LITCHFIELD, QC. GOUVERNEMENT DU QUEBEC (C.T.) DIRECTION GENERALE DES TELECOM.

I've heard french on this too. Don't know what that one is though.

A search of GOUVERNEMENT DU QUÉBEC (C.T.) DIRECTION GÉNÉRALE DES TÉLÉCOM. will also bring up many listings. Hyro Quebec I think fit's into this as well somewhere.

It would be nice though to be able to understand though atleast what each frequency range means :?:
 

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Thanks to all for the info and, it seems that the control channels are for hydro, but i will be looking at those links and searching those freq ranges.
Happy Scanning



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I'm finding it kinda tough to try and figure out all these listings.

Doing a search for GOUV. QUEBEC, SERVICE AERIEN GOUVERNEMENTAL, DEPT AVIONIQUE will show a few of the frequencies that the QPP use.

I know of 2 frequencies in my area that are used. 166.500 and 166.620 both use a pl tone of 141.3. Now how would I add these to the database? Seeing as the government's database only shows that they are provincial frequencies, but no locations? Which seems odd because they weren't like this before.

I'd like to search out some Quebec stuff, I'm just stuck on where I begin. That and it's all in french.

How many agencies does the Quebec province take care of? Seems like they're scattered all over the place.
 

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I wonder if a Quebec forum is in order or not. Being that this for the most part isan american site it probably wont come to pass which is unfortunate because there is a lot of great action of the emergency freqs and trunked systems that I have been listening to while I have been stuck here but of course it is all in french.
 

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peteman said:
I wonder if a Quebec forum is in order or not ?

There is already a decent forum in existence at this link:

http://www.infoscan.urgence.qc.ca

When I stayed in Quebec City, the SQ and Que. City Police were quite
busy... and yes all comm's were French, but if you are a keen listener
you will get the gist of what is going on even if your knowledge of French
is rudimentary.

New forums at Radioreference seem to come in to being if there is a demand and large volume of topic postings to support the request.

Where are the Quebec posts and the membership to justify this ?
I can only think of Zoe 1965 and Camerio as members here who have
posted from Quebec.

In my opinion, this is another instance where Quebec should not separate ,at least from the Eastern Canada Forum. :wink:
 

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I do agree with you to some degree but obviously there are some members in quebec or there would be no info at all. I must take a look at some of the forums for the other countries and see how they are shapping up. At least my french is improving while I am here.
 

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I bet a great deal of the info gathered here is from people just across the border in Ottawa.
I grew up in Montreal, english in an almost all english part of Montreal. Unless you really know the language it is very hard to understand what people are saying, hence a lack of info. Perhaps the people on Quebec boards either dont care to share their info, they are very happy with their own boards or feel their english is 'bad' and dont want to take a chance and submit here.
From what I remember scanning Montreals airwaves from 1979-1993:
Mtl Police- Mostly french, english call signs, some banter in English.
MTL FDP- the old city was all in french, the suburbs, Cote St Luc, Westmount TMR, Hampstead were bilingual.
Montreal Works (voire) were all in french.
SQ-Francais, thats the law (loi).
Air-mixture of english and french.
Rail-same as above.

I really hope someone in Quebec reads this, I would kill for up2date info but I dont think people from outside the province, understand how hard it is for english people to understand french and how hard and how scared french people are to come on here and type info. Unles you are bilingual imagine trying to artculate on here in another language.
This, I feel are the main reasons why we just dont see info on la belle province.
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Myself I am not bilingual in that I can't think in french but I can communicate well enough it is easier to read french that speak. I think I will join that quebec site and see if I can convince anyone over there to help us out over here. Montreal is a mostly bilingual city but once you get about 100 kms away from there you wont find a lot of ppl who can speak english and a lot of those who can just don't want to. I have listened to the quebec trunk and it seems that there are only a few police tgs I believe the cities of St Foy charlesbourg and couple other suburbs share the same trunk. In New Brunswick on the acadian coast and in the moncton area the rcmp use french and english both in their transmissions but even there the dialect or accent is quite different than quebec. I will keep looking for what ever I ccan find here
 

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Good luck Peteman. I'd love to hear the west end of Montreal FDP system. I think they are trunked.
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Montreal Police Broadcast

Is the tower for Montreal Police Frequencies on the tower complex on Mount Royal
 

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EJB said:
I bet a great deal of the info gathered here is from people just across the border in Ottawa.

I really hope someone in Quebec reads this, I would kill for up2date info but I dont think people from outside the province, understand how hard it is for english people to understand french and how hard and how scared french people are to come on here and type info. Unles you are bilingual imagine trying to artculate on here in another language.
This, I feel are the main reasons why we just dont see info on la belle province.
Eric
The overall Quebec trunked listings don't look too bad. The few for Gatineau were submitted by me, except H-Q
which is previous info from sources I don't know plus Eric (the other one, Cottrell) and myself recently. You are right
about understanding french, I struggle with it and find IDing talkgroups is difficult enough in native language, which is one
reason you don't see too many; except if there is inside info as appears to be the case with H-Q.

So I imagined that by "setting up" these "obscure" commercial systems ( finding frequencies, System IDs, LTR Home
Repeater numbers, and some TG IDs) some people with better french skills would step in and ID some of the TGs; but
that hasn't happened. I've seen and occasionally talked with folks from the Quebec side who may also struggle with
english, and they are decent folks. It seems there is just not much critical mass of interest, as most of it goes to
Police/Fire/EMS and drops off sharply outside of that. This appears to be the case regardless of the language.

Another reason there are so few TGs listed is the policy of this database not to accept "unknown user" TGs. Some had
been submitted but recently scrubbed. I'm of a mixed mind about this; in some cases I think it helps identify which
channels are active (esp. LTR) and gives people a template to listen to a system i.e. program the TGs in scan mode. I've
logged 77 TG IDs on System 591f from Montreal, when it comes in by "ducting", but can't do much else with them; they are only numbers, and it would be up
to the "locals" to ID the content.

So if you're looking for better listings, if the will is there, anything's possible. I just wouldn't expect too much too soon.

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I don't know jamming jay because I am in Quebec city about 2 and a half hours drive away from Montreal ( 1 and a half if you are from Montreal) I can say that I think the Quebec tower is in charlesbourg just north of the city.
 

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Hi ! I will give a try in yours langage, so don't be to rough we me ! :)

First, i have to say that i read all subjects in RR for many years. The web site "Infoscan" is very similaire to RR but in french format. For those of you asking why the RR as just few infos about Quebec, i will go with some answers.

1- The langage. Unfortunately, if is hard for you in french, is the same way for us in english. I'll think is the main reason why we don't see french users here. On InfoScan forum, many have scanner and about 60% can't understand the handbook. So, we have to reply many questions such programming or truntracking info all day long.

2- Yes, in Quebec, we have like other city, big networks: EDACS, Motorola, P25... But it's geeting worse when you ask what is your favourite service you listen to. 80% will give you this answer: Fire stuff ! Bang ! That's it ! They won't give a try on Hydro stuff or on Gaz Metro. They don't want to listen those thing.

If a can make some thing clear, a few years a go, Bell Mobility as take charge on a new EDACS system, the ambulance service in Montreal. Many users put in a Yahoo forum some info about this system. They were sharring the same thing: try to figure how this new EDACS system was working, ID's, frequencies, towers.

I'm one you found much of the major system in the Montreal aera after that. LTR, Motorola type I or II, VHF ou UHF, EDACS or P25, i can understand well all systems.

But, sometime, the way i look it, i think i am the ony one you cares about commercial systems in Montreal. Like many users seem to wait and collect, i am now keep the info for me. I spend to many hours to give all i got. Yes, many of my discovery are available on InfoScan. But, when you go on digital aspect like Hydro, then you realize rapidly this: the ower of a digital scanner in Quebec are lest than 5%. First, the price and then, the programmation aspect are the most fears. Think about it, at least, it's seem like no one as the passion to do a real good search on those systems.

So, if i can help you up with "was going on now" in the province right now:

Montreal aera

FPD (SSIM): it's a 800 mhz Motorola APCO-25 3600 bauds. This is a major system and very soon, they will integrate the police service (SPVM) and Montreal works (late 2005 or in 2006). This network will be linked with the new gouvernement system. 4 towers will be activated soon (now, it's only one) and it's will be a Smartzone network.

For the Ambulance (Urgences-sante) and Doval Airport, they all use a Bell EDACS analogue communications called RSP. STM (bus) are in a private EDACS system and a new system will be on in a few months in the subway. We don't know yet, but all rumors go with a APCO-25 system, the same as the Montreal fire dept.

Hydro are on a provincial system, VHF APCO-25 3600 bauds. Gaz Metro use a 900 mhz Motorola analogue trunk system.

Laval are encrypted and use the same RSP system for the fire and the police dep. The bad news is about Provoice. Many city are upgrade with those systems in "Laurentides" aera.

For Quebec city, they still use EDACS. Police are in Provoice and fire crew are analogue. Sherbrooke use the same thing: police are Provoice encrypted and fire are analogue.

LTR users are very present with 34 independent systems. For exemple, the RIO (Stade Olympique) and Six flags (La Ronde) use LTR.

Now, what's new ? Like Ontario in 2004, Quebec gouvernement want to use a major trunk system for all the territory of the Quebec province. It's a real one, a P-25 9600 bauds. The provincial police (SQ) like many others gouvernements users will be go on with this system. It's a VHF format and they will use more thant 100 sites of transmission.

Some users are testing and improving the network since Feburay. The name of this system is "RENIR". Some talkgroups will be linked with the Montreal fire system (SSIM). This system will be achieve in 2007.
 

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La poste très instructive, VORTAC. Merci pour prendre le temps pour répondre.

(Very informative post,VORTAC. Thank you for taking time to respond)
 

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peteman said:
I don't know jamming jay because I am in Quebec city about 2 and a half hours drive away from Montreal ( 1 and a half if you are from Montreal) I can say that I think the Quebec tower is in charlesbourg just north of the city.

Damn Peteman, what ya doin way over there? Last time I knew you were driving truck through the praries. Well you'll sure learn french fast thats for sure. I'll look forward to seeing info on the database on systems in the Quebec City area.

Regards,
Richster.
 

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Hey richster. I was in a bad accident here in La Belle province in my truck. But I will be going home in about a month, then I will only be driving a dispatcher's desk after that
 
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