Question about listening to Ham radio on scanner

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The snag with aerials for the lower bands is really efficiency. We've had workable aerials on cars for CB here since the 70s - DV types from my distant memory. The trouble is they're just not very good at getting the RF out. The coils that match the output to the aerial ensure maximum transfer, but the aerial just isn't that good as an aerial. One aerial that is intended to cover 10,6,2 and 70 just can't be that good an aerial, even though it matches. A simple vertical ¼ wave or half wave horizontal dipole for 10m might be really good for 10m, but just for 10m. I don't really do HF, although I can squirt 100W or so pretty well anywhere I'm allowed, but I cannot put up big visible aerials or even long wires, so I have a long wire dog legged just above the dead top branches of a row of Lelandii trees. I can tune it to make a match, but it really is a rubbish aerial. Lower bands just need more space!
 

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10m: For an FM scanner using traditional antennas, I'd not expect to hear very much on 10 meters. A 1/4 wave antenna for 10 meters will be around 8-1/2 feet. You can listen with less, but if FM traffic is as light in your area as it is here, it's going to be slim pickin's as it is. The 10 meter band has sporadic openings, mostly midday, and as posted above, almost all traffic is sideband. Even if we can demodulate the signal, listening to AM/SSB is difficult with a scanner using squelch based on incoming signal strength, because can be a lot of atmospheric noise associated with those modes that will cause false hits.

6m: If you are near a metropolitan area, you may find occasional traffic on any 6 meter repeaters in your area. These repeaters typically run vertically polarized antennas and use FM mode. You can search for local repeaters in your area, and check for activity. I am central Virginia and can hit the Fredericksburg, Waynesboro, Front Royal and Bluemont machines and I think I have heard traffic about ONE time on the Fredericksburg repeater. As with 10m, a lot of 6m traffic is SSB.

Day in.day out, I'd say that 40 meters has about the most activity around the clock, but almost everything will be SSB.
 

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A CB antenna would work for receiving 10 meters... (For receiving, It would probably work for 6 meters as well). It could be mounted in an attic or even temporarily placed by a window.

I once made a 10 meter dipole (for listening) and taped it to a wall near the ceiling. It was just 16.5 feet of wire cut in the middle. I attached one side to the outer braid of a length of coax and the other to the center conductor. I had a connector on the other end of the coax that fit my receiver.

To be honest, it didn't work that well :)

As mentioned, there are FM repeaters on 10 and 6. If you have one in your area, you'd be able to listen in to the repeater activity. Search for 10 and 6 meter repeaters.
 

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Currently listening to 2m and 70cm repeaters via my scanner. I only have one 6m repeater in my area no 10m.

Have not heard a peep out of the 6m one yet, however I am using a antenna that is not tuned for 6, (Laird 150/450/800 triband).

Picks up 2m and 70cm pretty good though....
 

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Your 6m repeater is probably going to be pretty quiet most of the time. 6m FM just isn't used that much. You may find a group of guys chatting there during drive time or there may be a net one night a week.
 

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I can hear a 6 meter machine that is about 15 miles from me on a stock
Antenna with a old 16 channel Bearcat scanner and the 10 meter 29.660
Machine which I am not sure where it is located at in the DFW metro area..
But there is not much to hear most of the time .
 

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KC5AKB, yeah I met a HAM who is not from my area, but knows all about the repeaters in my region and he steered me towards the active 2m-70cm repeaters. Been scanning them regularly, learning how to do net check-ins and monitoring rag chews.

Also trying to get the local etiquette down for when I finally get on the air. Its been interesting so far.

Got a 2m linked repeater within 8 miles of my QTH, really hoping I can hit it with my HT with the 15" HT whip or the dual band mag mount I plan on getting. We'll see...
 

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You could write a college paper on the etiquette of radio operation! In fact, this is where many new hams, and to be fair, radio operators of all kinds, have problems. The biggest one is that formality works for you or against you and getting it correct, for your local repeater depends on reading tiny things. The FCC and OFCOM in the UK insist on certain features, that often get dropped once people know who you are. A good one is simply callsigns - Clearly following rules for some brief overs gets a bit silly. Deciding what a transmission is, is the key - is it a conversation, or each individual press to talk, or what? You often hear ridiculous phrases - M1ABC from G4ABC - YES - M1ABC from G4ABC Over. Most well established repeater groups might end up with Yes - G4ABC, leaving the others to fill in the missing info - which of course they already know. Other repeaters can be much more formal. I'm in Belfast at the moment and found a charged radio, dialled in the GB3NI repeater and discovered lots of chatty people, but all using pretty formal procedure - so if I had joined in, I'd have copied their habits and style.

It's very useful to use airband for ear training. A very regulated and non-chatty system. Pick a busy channel and listen to how they do it. Try to spot the new pilots and the old pilots by how they speak, see how they can slip callsigns in almost without thinking. Listen how they leave small gaps where others could, if necessary break in - this is important on ham repeaters. How do the locals take new stations joining in - the procedure is rarely written down, but often is simply somebody saying their callsign and then shutting up, waiting to be invited in - those attempting to join with long winded "hello, this is M1ABC in XYZ running 25W into a 3dB gain vertical" often get, er, not heard!

There is often a heirachy too, which to a newcomer is NOT evident, but the clues are there. Sounds a bit weird, but some repeaters and radio groups do have a pips on the shoulder kind of attitude, and it takes a while to work these out.

If I ever join in with a group of people having a chat, I always start very briefly - waiting to see how they wish me to progress. With time, it gets better. If you want to hear bad behaviour, then tune in to an HF contest, where everyone is trying to get in at the same time. You can learn a lot from how the successful ones do this.

Big learning curve - and you WILL upset at least the occasional old lag, by not knowing he funded the repeater aerial you are using ten years ago, which gives him a leg up on everyone else.

If their operating procedure is not what you were taught, then sadly, you have to become like them to fit in.

Last night somebody called and called and called - and it became very annoying. Somebody else popped up, and within ten minutes there were four or five people all having a QSO - not including the person who endlessly called, who I think realised he'd been a real pain.
 

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Great info.

So far folks in my area seem friendly enough, of course I won't know how friendly, till I toss my call out there. I have heard the occasional call on a repeater with no answer from anyone too.....I am chalking that up to maybe nobody with a TX capability monitoring at that time, could be like you said to though and folks not wanting to talk to strangers. Which makes no sense to me....I thought that's what HAM radio is all about :confused:

As for me, being new and getting my license to specifically be able to get on the air, I would answer anybody's call.

I plan on at least attending a local club meeting and seeing what its like. So hopefully eventually folks will know who I am that way, more so if I join.

Anyhow thanks for the etiquette feedback, learned a lot!
 

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Just give it some time Tony and you'll

have more replies than you can handle!
Make sure, if you're using a repeater that you have the correct offset, direction, and ctcss if needed.
I don't recall seeing it in this thread, but have you checked out this site:

https://www.repeaterbook.com/index.php?module=Users&func=register

It has the info needed for most 2 meters, (and other bands too) repeaters.

73s
 

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Yes, I am a registered member of repeaterbook.com

A guy I work with is a president of a club, a radio engineer by trade and the caretaker of my local repeater....so fortunately I am well informed on that end. :)

All I need is a dang radio! :D
 

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Aha, the need for a radio...lol

I'll tell you what; I bought a Yaesu FT-2900R mobile for $119.00, no tax, no shipping, no handling fee. Try to convince your xyl that's what you need for Christmas!
Oh oh, AOR raised the price up to $139.95. I got mine with the black Friday and the $20 off.
But it is a jam-up transceiver and built like an outdoor brick outhouse! Use mine as a base with the J-pole antenna I built. It does require a hefty power supply though, fortunately I had one.
Hopefully you'll come across a transceiver soon.
 

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Thanks for the suggestion, but me and the yxl are taking a backseat this year, got to take care of kids first. I got three and they have lengthly Santa lists. :)

I have some OT funds coming my way next month, so it won't be to long, before I have the ability to pull the trigger on my HT. In the mean time I got a rig from work, I just need to find a date to get with a co-worker and get some programming done. So I may be on the air soon I hope. :D
 
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