Question about monitoring OKC's TRS....

[car2back]

How far out is it monitorable? Is the Tulsa area out of the question?

The reason I ask is say for instance GRE or Uniden was to release a Provoice scanner (wishful thinking, I know) would someone from near Tulsa be able to listen to OKCPD with an adequate 800 mhz beam antenna at a decent elevation?

 

[PolarBear25]

Your best bet is the State's D.P.S. 800 Mhz T.R.S. to be able to hear O.C.P.D. and O.C.F.D.

 

[MMIC]

With enough gain and elevation, you can hear anything

But on a more serious note, I would really doubt that at any reasonable elevation under normal conditions that you would be able to hear the Oklahoma City system in Tulsa.

 

[PolarBear25]

With enough gain and elevation, you can hear anything

But on a more serious note, I would really doubt that at any reasonable elevation under normal conditions that you would be able to hear the Oklahoma City system in Tulsa.

Agreed..

 

[car2back]

thanks MMIC, that answered my question.

Polarbear, OKCPD & Fire are on the City EDACS TRS, not the DPS "statewide" system

 

[PolarBear25]

I know that but as of 1-1-07 the 5 P.D. Dispatch T.G.s and The F.D.s T.G.s Fire ops Fire Tac 1-6 will be on the State's D.P.S. 800 Mhz T.R.S. by hard patch

 

[car2back]

Where did you here that from?

 

[PolarBear25]

Where did you here that from?

A little bird told me just wait, watch, and learn..

 

[car2back]

No offense, but I will believe it when I hear it. You also said Grady Co got DHS funds for going 800 but a little birdie told me you're wrong.

...Grady Co. Sheriff’s Office...$10,703...

 

[peterjmag]

A little bird told me just wait, watch, and learn..

Just like another birdie told me that the City of Tulsa is going the 700mhz band by the end of the year. Lesson learned don't beleive everything you hear PB.

 

[mam1081]

How far out is it monitorable? Is the Tulsa area out of the question?

The reason I ask is say for instance GRE or Uniden was to release a Provoice scanner (wishful thinking, I know) would someone from near Tulsa be able to listen to OKCPD with an adequate 800 mhz beam antenna at a decent elevation?

I know you can pick it on a HT (in a car) around Stroud, but I don't remember hearing much past there. I'm sure a good antenna and some good coax/hardline would do you some good along with some height. Why not try it now? There is still some analog PD stuff (when they use their VHF radios in the car), and all the public works stuff is analog, as well as the city-wide stuff.

 

[PolarBear25]

No offense, but I will believe it when I hear it. You also said Grady Co got DHS funds for going 800 but a little birdie told me you're wrong.

[DOC] Oklahoma Office of Homeland Security
File Format: Microsoft Word - View as HTML
OKLAHOMA CITY – OKOHS received more than $32 million earlier this year from the ... The system will be in the 700/800 MHZ frequency band, APCO Project 25 ...
www.ok.gov/okohs/docs/2004 grant release for web.doc

 

[car2back]

These funds will be used by local law enforcement agencies to harden critical infrastructure sites.

ok, so the money Grady Co recieved from DHS was for Terrorism Prevention NOT for a 700/800 radio system.

 

[freqscout]

Well I can with good confidence tell you that the OKC patches will probably not be the permanent/full-time patches.

Most likely they are going to be the link's for the mobiles/handhelds that can be patched into the DPS system, not the full time links.

There are not enough voice channels (5 currently) on the DPS-OKC system to run the voice traffic of OHP A Metro, OHP Troop A Rural, DPS, Cleveland Co, Capitol Patrol, Medi-Flight, Village/Nich Hills FD, Turnpike 1, aTurnpike 2, Executive Security, and all of the regularly active users on DPS *PLUS* the twelve TG's of OKC Public Safety not to mention that there are six of those 12 that are constantly active.

The expansion of the OKC site has not been completed. The listed channels in the OKC part of the DPS trunk page lists about 10 or so voice channels but as I am looking at the OKC site activity now there are only the original five (well used-minus the backup CC that doesn't carry voice activity very often anyway) voice channels. There will have to be a significant amount of effort to reband and install the extra equipment and I do not see this taking place prior to the year's end. Were talking about reprogramming about a thousand+ radios for the metro alone I bet. Then there is the intense amount of work that goes into the whole tower process. Then you figure timing the links, setting the audio levels, etc radio work.

The average quantity of traffic that you would want to carry on your system would be double your channel capacity of somewhat active TG's that are non-critical (just to give us a reference point). You consider I named about seven very active TG's already on DPS and that there are more somewhat TG's. Consider all of that and DPS OKC has their plate very full already.

With the patrol links...you could make those active because they are only interfacing currently active talkgroups. So, in effect they are not adding any traffic to the system. Now if there is a chase in the metro the OKC side can link the OHP TG to the say Hefner TG and away we go with a full two system link. That is generally only a temporary type of thing because OHP does not need to have Hefner's non-priority traffic coming over the Troop A Metro TG.

 

[PolarBear25]

ok, so the money Grady Co recieved from DHS was for Terrorism Prevention NOT for a 700/800 radio system.

Ok Sorry Mr. smith

 

[PolarBear25]

Well I can with good confidence tell you that the OKC patches will probably not be the permanent/full-time patches.

Most likely they are going to be the link's for the mobiles/handhelds that can be patched into the DPS system, not the full time links.

There are not enough voice channels (5 currently) on the DPS-OKC system to run the voice traffic of OHP A Metro, OHP Troop A Rural, DPS, Cleveland Co, Capitol Patrol, Medi-Flight, Village/Nich Hills FD, Turnpike 1, aTurnpike 2, Executive Security, and all of the regularly active users on DPS *PLUS* the twelve TG's of OKC Public Safety not to mention that there are six of those 12 that are constantly active.

The expansion of the OKC site has not been completed. The listed channels in the OKC part of the DPS trunk page lists about 10 or so voice channels but as I am looking at the OKC site activity now there are only the original five (well used-minus the backup CC that doesn't carry voice activity very often anyway) voice channels. There will have to be a significant amount of effort to reband and install the extra equipment and I do not see this taking place prior to the year's end. Were talking about reprogramming about a thousand+ radios for the metro alone I bet. Then there is the intense amount of work that goes into the whole tower process. Then you figure timing the links, setting the audio levels, etc radio work.

The average quantity of traffic that you would want to carry on your system would be double your channel capacity of somewhat active TG's that are non-critical (just to give us a reference point). You consider I named about seven very active TG's already on DPS and that there are more somewhat TG's. Consider all of that and DPS OKC has their plate very full already.

With the patrol links...you could make those active because they are only interfacing currently active talkgroups. So, in effect they are not adding any traffic to the system. Now if there is a chase in the metro the OKC side can link the OHP TG to the say Hefner TG and away we go with a full two system link. That is generally only a temporary type of thing because OHP does not need to have Hefner's non-priority traffic coming over the Troop A Metro TG.

Ok got it.. I also hear Moore's site will have 17 Freqs. do you anything about that??

 

[freqscout]

I don't know much about that. The south guys might know more.

 

[PolarBear25]

Ok thanks..

 

[StormCrusader]

I'll be listening tomorrow...I understand the new 17-channel Moore site is supposed to go active. One of their officers told me they're PD and FD all already have their car radios and their handi-talkies, which they've been using through the Norman DPS site (plus they've had their VHF patched in). He also said their site is tied to the OKC DPS site, maybe a simulcast cell?

 

[freqscout]

Not a simulcast...at least not yet. Don't know if they will be or not. I kinda doubt they will though.
They are tied through the smartzone system. They can roam to the OKC site if they are out of range of Norman's site. It works kinda like your cell phone, it finds the strongest control channnel and affiliates to that site.
There are also several talkgroups that are system wide and can be used for interagency communications away from the main dispatch talkgroups to keep from tying up their traffic. In essence a Norman or Moore Police Unit could relay information to a Tulsa Unit in the event that say Tulsa found a stolen car from a robbery in Norman. Pretty cool stuff.