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BT

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Just got to thinking, if I had the money ( which I don't) to buy an Open Sky radio and could get it programmed with all the frequencies and talkgroups I needed, would it be possible to use this radio as a scanner? I realize professional radios aren't really built to scan a bunch of talkgroups/ frequencies, but due to the manner in which these types of systems operate is it even possible to use such a radio as a scanner? Neglecting encryption, of course.
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Yes, but do you think you could get it programmed? It's a big investment so I'd make double-sure you could.

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It also has to register on the system. If there is no ID in a group at a site then no channel is assigned.

Cellular architecture systems work best with one-to-one and small groups, rather than the traditional large groups of Land Mobile operations.
 

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N_Jay said:
It also has to register on the system. If there is no ID in a group at a site then no channel is assigned.

Cellular architecture systems work best with one-to-one and small groups, rather than the traditional large groups of Land Mobile operations.


That's what I was questioning, whether the radio would have to register. This means it's more than just a matter of programming, correct?
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Yeah, although I don't live there, Oakland County, MI. I do spend a lot of time there though, as I go to school at Oakland University, but I'm graduating Dec 17 then off to wherever. I don't entirely understand why they would choose M/A Com when everyone ( and I do mean EVERYONE) around them is using or moving to the state's APCO 25 system. I realize it's about the lowest bidder, but it just doesn't make sense. Guess that's why I'm not in politics.
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Why Oakland County

BT said:
... I don't entirely understand why they would choose M/A Com when everyone ( and I do mean EVERYONE) around them is using or moving to the state's APCO 25 system. I realize it's about the lowest bidder, but it just doesn't make sense. Guess that's why I'm not in politics.
Brent

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Why did we go with the M/A Com system over the Motorola (or MSP) system?

The Radio Oversight Committee developed the specifications for a digital, Voice over IP system that would provide extensive in-building portable coverage and interoperability among all Oakland County agencies. It was also considered desirable that the system would utilize the County's fiber optic network for connectivity, affording greater reliability than microwave. Lastly, the system needed to maximize the efficiency of the relatively few frequencies that were available in Southeastern Michigan.

The MPSCS was evaluated. The MPSCS, which was designed for mobile only coverage, did not meet the in-building coverage requirements without an extensive addition of tower sites and frequencies. The State required that the County turn all frequencies over to them, with a promise that they would be returned should the County ever leave the MPSCS. However, once the frequencies are licensed by the State and reused throughout their network, there would be very little likelihood of returning them. Coupled with the user fees that the State required, and connectivity issues for the dispatch centers, this option was eliminated, and the County rejected the State's proposal.

M/A COM was the only system that met the specifications of the Radio Oversight Committee. It is the only system that is truly end-to-end digital voice over IP capable of utilizing the fiber optic network. Because it is IP based, it is also capable of transmitting data as well as voice communications. It uses TDMA technology, dividing each frequency into four time slots, so that four conversations can occur simultaneously on each channel. The other vendors offered traditional FDMA, or one conversation per channel. With the other vendors, our 32 frequencies would have resulted in a maximum of 31 simultaneous transmissions, since one channel is dedicated to a control channel. With the MA COM system, the same 32 frequencies can allow 128 simultaneous transmissions, more than quadrupling the system capacity.
 
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That's assuming it actually works. So far, Open Sky looks like Pie in the Sky in the real world.
 

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A opensky Trunked System with OpenSky Digital Audio or ProVoice Digital Audio is a great radio system, as long as you design and set up the correct type of Ant. Sites.... PA's system would be great except there are not enough ANT Sites for this type of terain. Poor design will kill any radio system.
 

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PEN311 said:
A opensky Trunked System with OpenSky Digital Audio or ProVoice Digital Audio is a great radio system, as long as you design and set up the correct type of Ant. Sites.... PA's system would be great except there are not enough ANT Sites for this type of terain. Poor design will kill any radio system.
It will be even better when we can monitor it. I know they (whoever "they" are) say it will never happen but we heard that when MI went digital. I know open source and stuff but I just won't give up hope.
 
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toydriver_det said:
It will be even better when we can monitor it. I know they (whoever "they" are) say it will never happen but we heard that when MI went digital. I know open source and stuff but I just won't give up hope.

The issue is to understand WHY it would be difficult to monitor and then you will have a better idea IF it is likely to happen.

Anyone who said there would not be P25 scanners did not have a very broad view.
 
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