Question for you HAM and or radio experts

[scanfan03]

Does anyone know of a radio that does what i want?

heres what i want:

LTR
Voice inversion card, want to be able to enable and disable (use on LTR system)
extended freqs for FRS and police (VHF and UHF)
Dual Band
Cross band repeater*
affordable U.S. $100-$200 range
Portable
At least 5 Watts
keypad proggramable
preferably a HAM radio*
I would really love it to be an ICOM, but if they don't make a radio that can do this, than o well*
a lot of channels (100 should do but would like 200)
PL/DPL encode and decode
repeater function
Simplex operation
I don't mind makeing any internal mods (i may have to, to get the inversion card in)
*things i don't have to have, but would like to have
Well i forgot to mention one big one, conventional operations


I think that should do for now, if i think of something else i need then i will post it, thanks for the help.

 

[Voyager]

There are a few problems with your list.

1. There are no ham radios that do LTR.

2. There are no portable units (that I KNOW OF) that do cross-band repeat.

3. I don't think you will find any that have voice inversion, as that is illegal on the ham bands.

4. I don't think anyone makes 5W ham portables on VHF/UHF.

CTCSS/CDCSS encode/decode (mainly the CDCSS decode) is going to really limit your choices, but newer units do have all of that.

Joe M.

Does anyone know of a radio that does what i want?

heres what i want:

LTR
Voice inversion card, want to be able to enable and disable (use on LTR system)
extended freqs for FRS and police (VHF and UHF)
Dual Band
Cross band repeater*
affordable U.S. $100-$200 range
Portable
At least 5 Watts
keypad proggramable
preferably a HAM radio*
I would really love it to be an ICOM, but if they don't make a radio that can do this, than o well*
a lot of channels (100 should do but would like 200)
PL/DPL encode and decode
repeater function
Simplex operation
I don't mind makeing any internal mods (i may have to, to get the inversion card in)
*things i don't have to have, but would like to have
Well i forgot to mention one big one, conventional operations


I think that should do for now, if i think of something else i need then i will post it, thanks for the help.

 

[RocketNJ]

Actually there are several ham portables that do 5 watts on both VHF and UHF. Some of the older portables did cross band operation.

No LTR or voice inversion.

Price is probably closer to $275 - $300 for basic radio (no extra batteries, case, desk charger, etc)

George

 

[nmfire10]

Does anyone know of a radio that does what i want?

heres what i want:

LTR
Voice inversion card, want to be able to enable and disable (use on LTR system)
extended freqs for FRS and police (VHF and UHF)
Dual Band
Cross band repeater*
affordable U.S. $100-$200 range
Portable
At least 5 Watts
keypad proggramable
preferably a HAM radio*
I would really love it to be an ICOM, but if they don't make a radio that can do this, than o well*
a lot of channels (100 should do but would like 200)
PL/DPL encode and decode
repeater function
Simplex operation
I don't mind makeing any internal mods (i may have to, to get the inversion card in)
*things i don't have to have, but would like to have
Well i forgot to mention one big one, conventional operations


I think that should do for now, if i think of something else i need then i will post it, thanks for the help.

When you find one, let me know. I'll buy it.

 

[N_Jay]

Does anyone know of a radio that does what i want?

heres what i want:

LTR . .
. . .
affordable U.S. $100-$200 range
. . . I think that should do for now, if i think of something else i need then i will post it, thanks for the help.

When you find one, let me know. I'll buy it.

I was going to hold out for the next model;

EVERYTHING for NOTHING! :twisted:

 

[K5MAR]

Does anyone know of a radio that does what i want?

heres what i want:

The closest I know of is the discontinued ADI AT-600HP Amateur Radio HT, I put a couple of notes after your requirements.

No LTR
No Voice inversion card
Yes extended freqs for FRS and police (VHF and UHF)
Yes Dual Band
Yes Cross band repeater
Yes Affordable U.S. $100-$200 range (used)
Yes Portable
Yes At least 5 Watts (With large battery pack)
Yes keypad proggramable
Yes preferably a HAM radio
Yes a lot of channels (100, w/ alpha tags)
Yes PL/DPL encode and decode
Yes repeater function (If you mean diff. TX-RX freqs)
Yes Simplex operation

Note: Out of (amateur) band operation is not legal in the U.S. Operation on the amateur radio freqs in the U.S. requires a valid Amateur Radio license, Technician Class or higher. Crossband operation is a grey area, depending on interperation of the rules regarding IDing.

They are computer-programable, cable & software available from RT Systems. They are not small, toy-sized radios, these are big, heavy-duty, rugged HTs. I like this radio so much I have three of them! They can be found ocassionally on ebay or F/S on QRZ.com or eHam.net, or other places that sell used ham gear.

Mark S.

 

[ham612]

As stated before, voice inversion, or any other form of encryption for that matter, is illegal on the ham bands, so there will be none marketed with that capability. If you do not hold a amateur license, transmitting on the ham bands is illegal. If you’re not a ham and have an interest, go ahead and take the test. It’s not that hard. Technician exams don’t include code, just the written.

Modifying the transmit voids FCC type acceptance and is not advised. Listening in is fine but the scan function on most of the ham radios is not as fast (by a long shot) as a dedicated scanner.

Having said all of that, if you want Icom, the model closest to what you are looking for is the IC-W32A. Icom had stopped marketing it for awhile but has brought it back.

VHF Tx: 144-148; Rx: 118-174
UHF Tx: 440-450; Rx: 400-470
Mode: FM, (U.S.A./Asia versions, AM Rx 118-136 MHz)
Acceptable power supply : 4.5 to 16 V DC (negative ground)
Number of memory channels: 200 plus 2 call, 20 scan edges and 4 DTMF
Tuning steps: 5, 10, 12.5, 15, 20, 25, 30 and 50 kHz
Output power (at 13.5 V DC): 5 W or 500 mW
8 character alphanumeric memory channel identification,
keypad entry
Backlit display and keypad
MIL SPEC C/D/E for shock and vibration
VHF/UHF exchange function allows assignment of VHF/UHF band controls to either knob
Dual VFO rx and cross band repeat
PL tone encode/decode (50) no DPL

I don’t own one (yet) so I can’t give any personal recommendations but you can find reviews online at many of the ham forum sites. The downsides I have read about are shorter than expected battery life, intermod issues in some cases, and it tends to run warm on transmit. Price will be in the $250.00 range.
Almost purchased one (new in box) at this price at a recent hamfest. Sorry I didn’t.

M.S.

 

[scanfan03]

I was looking at the IC-W32A. It doesn't have to be a HAM radio. I need something with LTR and i will only use the voice inversion on the LTR system, the business i work for has voice inversion, that is the only thing i will be useing it for, that is why i wanted to be able to switch it on and off. I trust Kenwood, but iv'e never seen or used an AOR or any of the other ones, so i don't know if they are any good, that is why i said ICOM, i have seen and used one, the business i work for uses Kenwood mobiles and i wanted a handheld. But i only wanted the extended ranges so i could listen to the police while inside my truck (because i already have the mobile).

 

[scanfan03]

And the cross band repeat just looked good to have, so i could brag that i have it. That's why i don't need it.

 

[INDY72]

As to LTR radios,.. look at the EF Johnson models,... Tait Radios, and various other actual LTR Trunking Radios. Tait is probably the cheapest in regards to LTR Trunkers.

 

[scanfan03]

Thanks! I will have to look on Ebay, those will go conventional too right? i need conventional, because the business i work for also has a TAC channel.

 

[INDY72]

As far as I know the actual LTR Radios will... look for the Tait website....and also Motorla offer LTR capable radios.

 

[scanfan03]

What about voice inversion? I have no idea how what the tone is.

 

[INDY72]

You would have to talk to your system's admin to get that info.. and to even use the system anyway. As to the exact capabilities you will need to shop around and check each of the models out there for what you want. This a regular LTR, Passport LTR, or Multinet LTR system?

 

[scanfan03]

It's a regular, I'm tracking it on my 92 right now, but all i hear is Donald Duck . Unless of course, they turn the inversion off, then I'm happy !

 

[JohnWayne]

The "standard" voice inversion tone is 3500Hz, however it could really be anything between say 2000Hz and 5000Hz. I sell a few different plugin boards that are both programmable or fixed at 3500Hz if you need one.

Thanks,
Jeff

 

[scanfan03]

Have you seen any boards for a Kenwood TK-863G, Those are the radios we use in the trucks. I don't know if it is rolling code or what, does the TK-863G have any like set, voice inversion, Like can it only be Rolling Code and 3500Hz or sumthing like that?

 

[JohnWayne]

I've never seen one specifically for a 863G, but most of them are pretty generic and will work in just about any radio. Your guess is as good as mine regarding the inversion frequency. The most common one is 3500Hz, but it could be anything really.

Rolling code is not the same as voice inversion. Voice inversion does just that, it inverts the audio signals a predetermined amount, and is nto really any form of encryption. Rolling encryption is actual encryption with more than one trillion possible keys.

Jeff

 

[okla-lawman]

if encryption and so on is illegal how come does ICOM offer a scrmbling sysstem on the new icom v8000. Is that not the same thing???

 

[JoeyC]

if encryption and so on is illegal how come does ICOM offer a scrmbling sysstem on the new icom v8000. Is that not the same thing???

Encyrption isn't illegal, decoding the encrypted comms is.

However, encryption on ham bands is not legal and the V8000 does not, as a ham rig, offer any type of encyryption. Where are you getting that info?