Question on RID 830/832?

[Marcy57]

So I see a list on RR Wiki "Federal Radio ID Planning"
and it lists the first 3 numbers like according to states
for N167 ...did I miss it? (possible) what state is 830
and 832? hope this question makes sense? thanks
73,s Marcy

 

[RaleighGuy]

So I see a list on RR Wiki "Federal Radio ID Planning"
and it lists the first 3 numbers like according to states
for N167 ...did I miss it? (possible) what state is 830
and 832? hope this question makes sense? thanks
73,s Marcy

I think you are misunderstanding how that page is set up and how RIDs are used. RIDs belong to agencies, not to a state, and may be in use anywhere in the country. What the wiki shows (using New York as an example) is that in NY RID 812xxxx was seen in use by the USPS in NYC on UHF with NAC 482, that is not saying RID 812xxxx and NAC 482 are only assigned to NY. As a matter of fact it has also been seen in use in the Boston area. Another example is 110xxxx which can be found in TX, MD, MA and NC, used by NSA, USAF and USPS, you'd need to look at frequencies and NACs being used to help ID the actual user (especially on encrypted systems). As for your NAC 167, it was seen in use by the FBI in NC, along with NAC 001 which is a common USSS NAC, but that doesn't mean they are the only ones using it.

Both the RID and NAC will help to identify an agency but is not a guarantee that it is from a particular location or agency. It helps to have a frequency, as well, to go along with the other information. Identifying users isn't based on a easy to identify formula, it takes time and listening and logging over a period of time. There are thousands of agencies and radios yet to be identified.

 

[Marcy57]

Ok thank you for explaining that in detail much appreciated...
maybe like I did not word it right? like if you see N167 337
or N167 335 you kinda know where from that list they are ?
which I get daily here this was N167 /830 and N167 /832
is that more accurate description? ..thanks 73,s Marcy

 

[Marcy57]

Well that was like 6am I got those , for the rest of the day when I could!
I monitored that freq. and only got 337 the whole day, was like a one off
if thats a good description? the main reason I,m asking I thought it was like skip?
thats my interest in asking and why...thanks agn 73,s Marcy

 

[RaleighGuy]

Well that was like 6am I got those , for the rest of the day when I could!
I monitored that freq. and only got 337 the whole day,

Possibly an out of area unit just passing through.

 

[ecps92]

So I see a list on RR Wiki "Federal Radio ID Planning"
and it lists the first 3 numbers like according to states
for N167 ...did I miss it? (possible) what state is 830
and 832? hope this question makes sense? thanks
73,s Marcy

Great Question

In many areas, the USMS shares dispatching service through the regional FBI radio network.
They also can maintain their own repeaters, as needed, but some regions they do have access and use the $167 Networks
and for that perspective would also be using their 8xx Radio ID's that some of us have seen there as well as on the CSO (Court Security Officer) channels at the Federal Courts

So the Answer is
830 / 832 generally would likely/possibly be USM units when operating on the Regional FBI Net

 

[ecps92]

I think you are misunderstanding how that page is set up and how RIDs are used. RIDs belong to agencies, not to a state, and may be in use anywhere in the country. What the wiki shows (using New York as an example) is that in NY RID 812xxxx was seen in use by the USPS in NYC on UHF with NAC 482, that is not saying RID 812xxxx and NAC 482 are only assigned to NY. As a matter of fact it has also been seen in use in the Boston area. Another example is 110xxxx which can be found in TX, MD, MA and NC, used by NSA, USAF and USPS, you'd need to look at frequencies and NACs being used to help ID the actual user (especially on encrypted systems). As for your NAC 167, it was seen in use by the FBI in NC, along with NAC 001 which is a common USSS NAC, but that doesn't mean they are the only ones using it.

Both the RID and NAC will help to identify an agency but is not a guarantee that it is from a particular location or agency. It helps to have a frequency, as well, to go along with the other information. Identifying users isn't based on a easy to identify formula, it takes time and listening and logging over a period of time. There are thousands of agencies and radios yet to be identified.

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Keep in mind, (one of your examples) altho HEARD in NY/Boston - we need to delve deeper into the agency/repeater(s)
and it is more difficult for the USPS and FPS as they are dispatched thru MEGA Centers and the Repeaters are networked across a wide area.

the RIDs seen/heard could be anywhere within the Wide-Area network.
ie: I was in Burlington VT and was hearing the downtown Boston MA units on FPS - so are those RID's Boston or Burlington

Knowing the System first, then diving into Repeater locations, then diving into RID's - comes into play much of the time.


Hope this help clear up the MUD on a sunny day