question on UHF and FRS

[egl_81]

Is it possible to use a UHF radio without a licence from the FCC if using only FRS frequencies? I have a motorola GP300 radio but dont want to be bothered with a licence. I believe this is a 2 watt radio and am assuming that this is a problem without a licence. My knowledge in this area is limited and any help would be appreciated.

 

[nd5y]

It is possible but not legal.

Sec. 95.603 Certification required.

(d) Each FRS unit (a transmitter that operates or is intended to
operate in the FRS) must be certified for use in the FRS in accordance
with Subpart J of Part 2 of this chapter.

http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/...ccess.gpo.gov/cfr_2004/octqtr/47cfr95.603.htm

Tom

 

[egl_81]

thanks for the quick response tom. does this mean that I can use FRS frequencies with the radio as is? To do this legaly what kind of licence would I need?

 

[nd5y]

The simplest and cheapest thing to do legally is get a GMRS license and
use GMRS radios or just use FRS and not need a license at all.

The only thing you can legally use on FRS frequnecis is a FRS
radio or one of the ones that is certified for both FRS and GMRS
if you have a GMRS license.

You can find more info here: http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/personal

Tom

 

[Grog]

FRS has to have a non-removable antenna. The units with the removable antennas are GMRS/FRS combos. I still believe the limit on FRS is 1/2 a watt.

More info at http://www.popularwireless.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi

Some of them can be testy at times. I haven't been there for over a year, so I don't know what's going on.

 

[N_Jay]

FRS has to have a non-removable antenna. The units with the removable antennas are GMRS/FRS combos. I still believe the limit on FRS is 1/2 a watt.

More info at http://www.popularwireless.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi

Somall error.

Both FRS and FRS/GMRS radios have fixed/non-removable antennas.

If the antenna can be removed it is NOT legal on FRS!

 

[nmfire10]

Simple answer: It is not legal.

Expanded simple answer: No one cares so do't worry about it.

 

[N_Jay]

Is it possible to use a UHF radio without a licence from the FCC if using only FRS frequencies? I have a motorola GP300 radio but dont want to be bothered with a licence. I believe this is a 2 watt radio and am assuming that this is a problem without a licence. My knowledge in this area is limited and any help would be appreciated.

Just get a license. Its not a bother, its the law!

Would you be a bit anoyed if the guy in front of you on the interstate had no tail lights because the vehical was not legal for the public roads?

Maybe he just did not want to bother with a license? :twisted: :wink:

 

[TINQUTARG]

type accepted

I was under the impression that commercial equip was ok to use for ham readio but not vice versa. I'm not a legal expert but know the specs are tighter on commercaial than ham. are you suggesting requirements for frs are stricter than commercial. Like he said, who cares?I need a 80$ license to transmitt 12.5 kc off from frs?Thats about as smartas allocating murs radio right next to 154.830 lapd antique frequency. But you'll notice lapd held its ground on that one. Unlike..say burbank pd who after 50 yrs on 153.890 abandonned all there vhf for the "newer better" uhf. And within a couple of years decided that was'nt good enough so now they're changing ,again, to apco and trunking. If the people only knew how they're monies were being"allocated" LOL

 

[nd5y]

It doesn't make any difference how close the frequencies are to eachother.
Ham radio, FRS, GMSR, MURS, and the private land mobile services
are all completely different ball games with different rules, different
licensing requirements, and different equipment specs.
Thats why hams can use almost any kind of equipment and the other
services can't.

Tom

 

[UPMan]

You can use the low-power FRS/GMRS combos on FRS-only channels without a license. However, your unit (GP300) is not capable of operating as an FRS radio, nor was it type accepted to do so. So, for that radio, the answer is that you have to have a license to use it.

 

[scanfan03]

Or instead of using that radio illegaly, you can just get a MURS radio, you don't need a liscence, and you can have a removable antenna and it is VHF.

 

[egl_81]

thanks for the help everyone. Ill look into the MURS system or I may just buy a cheap FRS radio.

 

[Samuel]

Last time I checked if you have a license for GMRS you can use commercial equipment on any GMRS frequency which would include FRS 1-7 but things could have changed. I know GMRS radio (not FRS/GMRS) can have detachable antennas though.

 

[N_Jay]

Last time I checked if you have a license for GMRS you can use commercial equipment on any GMRS frequency which would include FRS 1-7 but things could have changed. I know GMRS radio (not FRS/GMRS) can have detachable antennas though.

Yes, but he did not want to "Bother" with alicense.

Either that or he is under 18, a forien national, or a fellon.

 

[scanfan03]

thanks for the help everyone. Ill look into the MURS system or I may just buy a cheap FRS radio.

If you want something that is worthwhile and will go a lot further than FRS junkies. I would go with the MURS radios. Since they are VHF, you can easily get skip, you can get an antenna tuned specificaly for that frequency and with FRS radios, you only get like 500Mw maybe 1/2 miles. On MURS you will get like 5 miles easily with 2 Watts.

 

[nmfire10]

Since they are VHF, you can easily get skip, you can get an antenna tuned specificaly for that frequency and with FRS radios, you only get like 500Mw maybe 1/2 miles. On MURS you will get like 5 miles easily with 2 Watts.

And for everything else, there is walgreens.

In otherwords, that is an overly optomistic outlook.

 

[scanfan03]

And for everything else, there is walgreens.

In otherwords, that is an overly optomistic outlook.

Huh? I should probably just ignore you, most of the time you post worthless stuff anyways. :roll: :roll:

 

[K5MAR]

And for everything else, there is walgreens.

In otherwords, that is an overly optomistic outlook.

Huh? I should probably just ignore you, most of the time you post worthless stuff anyways. :roll: :roll:

I'd have to agree with nmfire. Under normal, real world conditions, on handheld radios using rubber ducks, 2 miles would be good. Of course, thats 4-5 times better than FRS radios under the same conditions.

Mark S.

 

[nmfire10]

And for everything else, there is walgreens.

In otherwords, that is an overly optomistic outlook.

Huh? I should probably just ignore you, most of the time you post worthless stuff anyways. :roll: :roll:

Worthless or just not what you want to hear?

You can ignore me all you want. Do you think I give a hoot? That doesn't change the fact that what you are implying is not realistic 99.9% of the time. While you are ignoring me, I'll be trying to give the poor guy some accurate information. Thanks.