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I bought a messed up R71A on ebay and it's behaving very strangely. It has a Willco ram board in it. I put a spare stock one in it and it's not the problem. When it's first turned on, it works pretty much normally, with one exception, the volume control is very noisy, like it needs cleaning. After about 7-10 minutes, this disappears and the control works normally. It keeps working ok with all functions normal, then after a while, it pops out the speaker, like the power was disconnected for just an instant. After this, the filter select buttons seem to lose function, the wide when it's NOT pressed, the narrow when it IS pressed. Some audio comes through, but it's muffled and low. At this point, it's about a 50/50 chance the radio will work if you shut it off and then turn it back on. If you let it go for about 45 minutes, and shut it off, it will not come back on without a 5 minute or so "rest". If you do turn it back on, it will start acting strangely within a couple of minutes. Sometimes, the freq will be locked and it doesn't receive at all. It needs about a 15 minute cool down to reset everything back to "normal". Anyone got any idea what to look for? The radio is a late one, in pretty nice, but dirty shape. I resoldered some bad looking joints on the PS board, with no change. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance..
 
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An update. I'm positive this is a power supply issue. I've spent all night letting it run and measuring the voltage on the PS. I have a really POS VOM at work, and it's analog, so it's hard to read the exact voltage, but the output measured at the jumper plug drops about 50% when it "pops", and it almost never returned to normal unless I let it sit for a few minutes. I touched the Q1 and it was HOT. I don't know how hot it's supposed to be, but it didn't seem like it should be that warm since it's heat sinked to the PS module. I checked the screw holding it to the heatsink and it was pretty loose, so I tightened it up. It ran for close to an hour before popping again, and I could get it to turn back on right away with only a couple of minutes wait. I shot the Q1 with liquid computer duster when it died, and it came back up and acted normally without any delay. Then it went about 45 minutes and died again. I decided to just go ahead and replace all three transistors and the bridge rectifier, since they are pretty cheap and I have to take the PS apart anyway to replace anything on it, and hopefully this will solve the issue.
 

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Would also be thinking about the DC-DC converter caps also for display and other functions. There is someone on Ebay with a capacitor kit.

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I was thinking about that too, but it seems to be heat related to the PS only, as far as I can tell. The popping is very odd. All the caps look OK, not brown like one I recapped for someone a couple years ago that had display issues. On this one, if it comes on, the display is ok, unless the lockup that happens is a symptom of the caps being tired. If I didn't have a really nice R71A, I would probably fix and keep this one, as except being dirty, it's in really nice physical shape. I bought it thinking it was a simple PS solder joint issue. It did have bad joints, but much more seems to be wrong. I might get the cap kit and spend a night doing it. With the desoldering station I have, it's not a horrible job like it was in the past. Best money I ever spent!

One bonus is this I now have 2 extra stock Ram boards that work fine, and I'll put one up on Ebay for someone who needs to revive their dead R71a.. The one that came out of the problem radio appears to have a sticker on it with a date of 8/3/2003.

I checked out maybe adding a fan to it, to keep the temps down, as I have a bunch of little laptop fans and they are all really close to fitting, but a tiny little bit too big. So close.

Thanks for the suggestion.
 
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I have all the semiconductors now, except for the bridge rectifier, which should turn up any time now, and the 4700uf and 470uf electrolytic caps. Once I get all the parts, I will replace all of them in the PS, and see what happens. If that fixes it, great, the next thing will be a large scale replacement of all the electrolytic caps in the R71a. If I go that far with it, I probably will just go ahead and to the audio mod to it, and keep it, as it's in nice physical shape. I may add a fan to it to keep the PS cool too. The front panel will probably have to come off to really be able to get it cleaned. I've done that a couple of times before, so it's no huge deal, just a hassle.
 
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Have tried running on external 12v supply, I run all my Icom radios on external 12v power supplies to cut down on the heat.

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I have all the semiconductors now, except for the bridge rectifier, which should turn up any time now, and the 4700uf and 470uf electrolytic caps. Once I get all the parts, I will replace all of them in the PS, and see what happens. If that fixes it, great, the next thing will be a large scale replacement of all the electrolytic caps in the R71a. If I go that far with it, I probably will just go ahead and to the audio mod to it, and keep it, as it's in nice physical shape. I may add a fan to it to keep the PS cool too. The front panel will probably have to come off to really be able to get it cleaned. I've done that a couple of times before, so it's no huge deal, just a hassle.

Replace all the lytics in the PS section as well as the DC-DC converter as dkf435 mentioned.
The DC-DC converter is often overlooked, especially in the R7000. I don't recall if the R71's had the same DC-DC converter board. I've not had mine open for years now.

I'm also a fan of powering the older Icom's from an external power supply. That reduces the heat inside the chassis by a significant amount and can only help prolong the life of the other irreplaceable components like the CPU.
If you must use the internal supply, it is not a hard mod to fabricate up a small 12 volt fan of say the size that cooled the old 386/486 CPU's to help pull or push air through the chassis. That does introduce dust into the radio though. The dust and noise reason is why I use an old 40 amp external supply for most of my radios. I use the supply to maintain a large SLA battery so I can operate during power failures. I also used an aircraft landing light as a current limiting ballast resistor so I don't fry the battery should AC fail and run the SLA down when not home. The landing light limits the current inrush into the SLA when AC power returns. My external supply does not have current limiting ability so the landing light used as a current limiting device worked out perfectly. Maybe some day I'll install a load sensing/limiting circuit but I've been saying that for years now!

I also have an Icom R-9000 that works on external power but part of its metering circuit is dependent on a stable input voltage independent from the rest of the receiver. When I run the R9000 from an SLA that is discharging, the S-meter will start giving false readings. I think it was mainly the center tuning function that would no longer give accurate readings as the SLA started discharging. The R7000 may also have that problem but I rarely use its center tune meter setting. Not sure if there is anything in the R71 that expects a set input voltage. Worse case is usually the s-meter may read a bit low and maybe dimmer backlights but the radio will still receive just fine if your external battery is dropping below the power supplies setting. Most of the radio circuits are regulated down to 5, 8 or 9 volts with the DC-DC converter handling the odd voltages needed to run the display mostly. The audio output may also drop off some as that stage is usually powered from the primary regulators setting.

For the R9000, I opted to use its internal supply with a large power supply fan mounted on the rear mounted heat sink. The fan keeps most of the heat out of the radio as I also did some tricky ducting to pull a small amount of air through the chassis. I also have the 9000 on a large UPS which will run it for about 14 hours.
All of my older Icom's had dried out caps. Most were in the power supply stage or in other areas that ran warm.
Not a single one of them had a cap that looked bad to the eye at all but they were indeed bad.
Since recapping them all years ago and then later switching most to an external supply, all of them have worked flawlessly and some are on 24x7 for days or weeks.
I never swapped the back lighting with LED lamps so I usually run the lights in the dim position to give them some added life. I did swap the meter light in the R9000 with a small LED.
I've also replaced the CRT in the 9000 twice and have an LCD module for the next time the CRT starts to burn in images as it spends a lot of hours on the same frequency.
The R7000 and R71A have both had display issues. I don't recall the cause of the R71's display issue but the R7000 was caused by bad caps on the DC-DC converter board and later, the well known failure of the ribbon film type cable that connects the display board to the logic board.
Otherwise, I can't say I've really had any other component failures in any of my Icom's. A few mechanical issues with one being the power switch and audio jack failures.
The R7000, R71 and several others use the same power switch.
My switch failed on the AC internal supply power contact side of the DPST switch. It would drop the AC input voltage nearly in half when it would fail. Turning it off/on would sometimes restore full voltage but it would fail again sometimes within seconds. My power switch failed in both my R7000 and R71A. Identical failures of both.
So check the power switch voltage across its solder joints or at the molex connector located on the wiring harness between the switch and the power supply section if you still see the voltage drops after replacing the caps.
One side of the switch switches the unregulated DC voltage and the other set of contacts switches the AC mains side before the power transformer.
A quick fix is to short the DC line and remove it from the switch and then move the AC lines over to the now unused DC contacts as the AC side is usually the set of contacts that will fail.
Not an ideal solution especially if you intend on running from external power but it works until you can find a new switch. Icom still sold the exact switch but wanted something like $40 dollars for one a couple years ago.
I found an identical switch made by Alps, I think, for $3 dollars on eBay.
I bought several but have never had another fail. Maybe because mine remain powered on so the switches are rarely used?

So, replace the caps and also check the voltage across the main power switch when your voltage drops in half. Do that and I bet you will have a nice radio!
A bad power switch can also usually be detected by depressing the switch just a small amount and see if voltage returns. Don't press it enough so it pops out when released, just press it enough to move the contacts.
If the switch is bad, you will usually see the voltage return to normal with just a small press of the button or at least see significant voltage fluctuations. Small fluctuations are normal even for a new switch. Fluctuations large enough to see visible changes in the backlight level is often a good indication that the power switch is suspect and should be checked.
I also did a live coin cell replacement in my R71 before it died. I still ended up buying the Piexx ram board for the R71 as it extends the tuning range over the stock Icom board.
The factory lithium coin cell used on those ram boards can easily remain good for over 20 years. May not be true for a radio that has been sitting unpowered in a closet for years but for the radios that spend a lot of time powered up, 20+ years is not out of the question. That is thanks to the small amount of reverse leakage of the diode that prevents the coin cell from being charged. The cells are not rechargeable cells but the small amount of leakage through the diode does keep them charged without damage to the cell and is what is responsible for the 20+ year life many owners see. Heck, I guess it is now over 30 years life and many of them are still working fine if they spent a lot of that time powered on.
The factory ram boards are also user reprogrammable if one wants to build up the interface needed but I think it took an older slow computer running DOS and may have been through a true parallel port if my memory is correct. The code is available on the internet. It is much simpler to by a Piexx or similar board or do a live battery swap as long as you are careful and don't short something during the swap. All the 3rd party boards hold the OS code in non volatile ram but some do still have a coin cell for holding the memory channel contents or maybe RTC settings. Most also offered extended tuning ranges and some offer more memory channels. The extended tuning range is dependent on the radio model. For the R71, I can't use all of the new tuning range but can use a good part of it. I think the Piexx board extended the tuning range of the R71 from 10 kHz up to 33 MHz. Sensitivity dropped off pretty fast when I tuned much below 80 kHz I think but it worked fine all the way up to the new upper limit which I think was 33 MHz with the Piexx board. Of course about everything above 30 MHz was useless unless you have the FM option. I think the Piexx board also had a jumper that you soldered in or removed that retained the factory tuning range if desired. It also had solder pad jumpers that must be set to the radio model you installed the board in. The same ram board with OS code was used in several Icom models from the same era.
 

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A whole lot there to reply to! I've only seen one bad power switch on an R71a or R7000, and it felt 'Odd" when pressed on and off. I don't think the problem my radio is having is due to heat, I think some component is failing in the PS. The fact that dumping liquid computer duster (I can't find my freeze spray) on the area of the heat sink and transistors seems to make the radio instantly start working normally for a while is a pretty sure sign it's PS related. That regulator runs insanely hot! I will check the switch though if the PS repair doesn't work. I didn't notice any variation on the meter backlight when the radio wigged out, but I wasn't looking too closely at it. This radio has the Willco board, as does my other, perfectly working R71a. I have a 12V PS so I might try running the radio on that and see what happens.

About 15 years ago, I bought a nice surround receiver that didn't work from a friend of mine who doesn't know anything about electronics, and all that was wrong was it had a horribly bad solder joint on the power switch. On, it had about 11.5 volts across it, instead of zero, so before I even took it home I knew what the problem was. It worked great once fixed until about a year or so ago, when it literally exploded when I hit the power button. the filter caps blew up, cracking the PS board, and the transformer was sizzling away, so it was junked.

Thanks for the suggestions. As soon as I get the last part, the rectifier, I will report on the results.
 

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Ok, here's an update. I replaced the electrolytics in the PS and apparently my desoldering/soldering upset something and it randomly cut out, but it did turn on faster than it did, and worked fine for 20 minutes, slapping the receiver caused it to turn back on sometimes, others it did nothing. The power switch is 100% fine. I decided to change the heat sinked D880 regulator, and found 2 cracked traces going to it, which may have been the original issue. I don't have time to do it tonight, but I will see if the radio works on 12V Wed night and if it does, I might just use it that way, or I might move the regulator to the rear panel, solving the heat issue and eliminating the need for a fan.
 

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All, interesting reading and as a long time R70/71A owner, I am in love with this receiver! Rat, it sounds to me you are getting closer to the true problem, as often symptoms can morph into many. My electronics training always pounded into my head to always check the power supply and associated circuitry first. If the car don't have gas, you won't go very far was the analogy they used. As these radios age, caps will dry out, resistors will begin to lose tolerance. Tuned circuits depend on tight specified radios for everything to work. I wouldn't replace caps just to replace them, some may be just fine. My rule of thumb is to replace any component in which high current passes through, eventually it will break down anyway.

Kruser, a very informative post. I have always wanted a RK, one of the older models but lack not only the funds but the real estate for a proper antenna (s) for that old gal to sing! These Icoms, you can feed them with anything big and they handle the signal just fine. Sent my R71A out to LandAir Comm several years ago and Hal brought it back into spec and installed a Piex board. I would like to repaint the cabinet with fresh Icom paint or go with good old Army O.D Green.

Good luck with the repair and let us know how it goes.

Good Signals!
 

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I got busy with something tonight, so I was unable to hit RS for some heat shrink (I hope they still have it), so I will try to go in the morning, if possible. It looked to me like the PC board in the PS got really hot and cooked itself a little more than the board could tolerate, cracking the traces. I jumped one the night I replaced the D880 that was to one of the 4 caps I replaced. I didn't see the broken traces (right next to the lead pads) until I was about to desolder the D880 to remove it. I will look over the PS board very closely when I move the D880 and see if I see any other cracked/broken traces anywhere and fix them. I'm planning on using a small plug on the moved component leads, so the radio can be disassembled easily in the future. Icom's design of the PS is very odd, IMHO. Compact, but a PITA to work on, and that heat sink isn't very effective, as it's skin sizzling hot. Even removing it is a hassle. Lots of screws, and the fuseholder makes it really tight when you try to remove the board from it's "frame". I hope this stuff I'm about to do resolves it.
 
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