Radio Maintenance or something on NYPD channels?

[RedPenguin]

I was listening to Melsgarage's NYPD feed around 4:00-5:00PM and I heard stuff about Citywide 1 and I think go to Citywide 2 instead of 1, and then it sounded like SOD is Citywide 1 or something, I couldn't really catch the guy fast enough.

How exactly does a channel go down? Or was it a repeater or something?

Also, one dispatcher kept saying something fast like 2 fast in check or something, she kept saying it so fast, I was like what?

 

[maalox]

I was listening to Melsgarage's NYPD feed around 4:00-5:00PM and I heard stuff about Citywide 1 and I think go to Citywide 2 instead of 1, and then it sounded like SOD is Citywide 1 or something, I couldn't really catch the guy fast enough.

How exactly does a channel go down? Or was it a repeater or something?

Also, one dispatcher kept saying something fast like 2 fast in check or something, she kept saying it so fast, I was like what?

citywide1 has been closed for the un security. cw2 will handle the cw1 warrent checks for now.

 

[shell6]

I know that this doesn't exactly pertain to what you're talking about but sometimes people will switch channels out of necessity. Example: today on SOD somebody's radio was spazzing out and kept on opening and closing squelch. I'd imagine that if this had carried on for much longer, switching to another channel would have been in order.

 

[novemberalpha]

cw 1 is definitely closed, i just heard a cop get chastised by central
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[RedPenguin]

Oh I see

So is CW1 being used for only UN security or it's literally not being used what so ever?

 

[RedPenguin]

Oh I see

I know that this doesn't exactly pertain to what you're talking about but sometimes people will switch channels out of necessity. Example: today on SOD somebody's radio was spazzing out and kept on opening and closing squelch. I'd imagine that if this had carried on for much longer, switching to another channel would have been in order.

This is what I figured could happen at times, but, sometimes it's hard to make out (whenever a dispatcher tells them to switch). Some of those dispatchers say things so fast, even though I myself can talk fast and listen fast, have a hard time making them out at times.

It's amazing how even though there are a lot of calls, some dispatchers seem to talk fairly understandable, but others even when it doesn't seem busy, can talk better than those guys in commercials who give you the disclaimers at the end.

 

[novemberalpha]

you guys ever hear the jamaican dispatcher? one of the days one of those sergeants is gonna put a slug in her

 

[SCANdal]

So is CW1 being used for only UN security or it's literally not being used what so ever?

Only United Nations security until the end of the General Assembly.

 

[gothamite]

I've never understood how the FDNY Dispatchers can be so professional, have area familiiarity, know where their companies are at any given time and control their frequencies, even when things are really hopping, yet so many NYPD Dispatchers have a hard time pronouncing even the simplest words and often have no idea who is in-service or already out on a job. Someday, an MOS somewhere is going to get hurt because of the poor radio discipline and lack of enforced professionalism on the Dispatchers' part. The two jobs are light years apart on this issue, and PD should get together with FD so they can clean up their act on the airwaves.

 

[RedPenguin]

Correct!

I've never understood how the FDNY Dispatchers can be so professional, have area familiiarity, know where their companies are at any given time and control their frequencies, even when things are really hopping, yet so many NYPD Dispatchers have a hard time pronouncing even the simplest words and often have no idea who is in-service or already out on a job. Someday, an MOS somewhere is going to get hurt because of the poor radio discipline and lack of enforced professionalism on the Dispatchers' part. The two jobs are light years apart on this issue, and PD should get together with FD so they can clean up their act on the airwaves.

Exactly, I always seem to understand FDNY and they always give me a clear picture of what is going on. For example, a couple of days ago, I believe it was glass falling from a building at 42nd and 6th? Well the PD, said it but FDNY made it really obvious what was going on.

Does the NYPD SOD not tell what they are doing on SOD? Any SOD feed I ever listened to, I never actually seem to find out what SOD found after they got to scene, it's like they get dispatched, and then you never hear them until the next call.

Edit: So is there any feed online to hear NYPD Citywide channels?

 

[nyscan]

I never actually seem to find out what SOD found after they got to scene, it's like they get dispatched, and then you never hear them until the next call.

That's because SOD is a dispatch channel. Operations are usually switched over to a low power tac channel. Usually Tac G.

 

[gothamite]

That's because SOD is a dispatch channel. Operations are usually switched over to a low power tac channel. Usually Tac G.

True, but don't the low power Tac's keep Communications, as well as other operational units, out of the loop, for example in terms of monitoring to stay up-to-date and anticipate what additional units may be required before the Incident Commander actually requests them, among other factors? Doesn't it also keep the off-scene Command structure in the dark? FD seems to have this covered with the required Progress Reports from the incident.

 

[nyscan]

True, but don't the low power Tac's keep Communications, as well as other operational units, out of the loop, for example in terms of monitoring to stay up-to-date and anticipate what additional units may be required before the Incident Commander actually requests them, among other factors? Doesn't it also keep the off-scene Command structure in the dark? FD seems to have this covered with the required Progress Reports from the incident.

In NYC it would be impossible to have ESU operations at a scene on the same channel as dispatch due to the volume of jobs and other traffic on SOD. Updates and requests for manpower or equipment can still be transmitted over SOD but the actual operational communication at the scene is on tac.

 

[RedPenguin]

Oh I see

Oh I see, that makes complete sense.

So I assume unless you are close, you are not hearing Tac-G.

Also, like I asked before, anyone know of a feed for NYPD CW1? I don't think the SOD freeds like ScanCT and MelsGarage have them. I know MelsGarage has Manhattan North and South, but doesn't sound like any CWs.

 

[captmfa7112]

the only time CW1 or CW2 are useful are during citywide details such as new years or the UN. Other than that you are going to hear warrant checks all day. CW3 is no better, its used for the Manhattan Traffic Task Force.

 

[SCANdal]

Most all of them do the best with what they've got...

So I assume unless you are close, you are not hearing Tac-G.

Correct; either that or high up - to cover a wider area.

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I'm not sure why the dispatcher is getting all of the blame here.

I've never understood how the FDNY Dispatchers can be so professional, have area familiiarity, know where their companies are at any given time and control their frequencies, even when things are really hopping, yet so many NYPD Dispatchers have a hard time pronouncing even the simplest words and often have no idea who is in-service or already out on a job.

Did the police officer await acknowledgment before advising that they are 10-84? Did they even report 10-84? Is the dispatcher even aware that the unit is out in the field? The rundown given to a dispatcher consists of units available for radio runs. My guesstimate is that the proportion is one-for-one - for every unit that Central is aware of, there is another unit out there that has not notifed a dispatcher that they are on the air. Many times the only time the dispatcher becomes aware that the unit is out there is when they need the dispatcher's services. In addition, many of the channels are too congested with radio traffic for officer to give updates. Instead they get their assignments and handle them. They may not speak to the dispatcher again until he/she raises them again. Is any of this right? You can argue no and I would tend to agree with you while holding my hand out, palm up, asking you to pay for substantial, expensive upgrades to the radio system that would allow for D-GPS tracking, mobile CAD, (things FD - a much smaller agency - already has) and a channel for each precinct - among other fixes. With the media created "economic crisis" forcing Bloomberg to announce budget cuts, I don't see the money forthcoming.

The two jobs are light years apart on this issue, and PD should get together with FD so they can clean up their act on the airwaves.

And what is FD going to tell PD? Make keeping track of all of your units easier by parking most of them at fixed locations for extended periods of time? How about this one (and hopefully Frank R can jump in and tell us what the top base is now for a FAD - since I couldn't find it after almost an hour of google and yahoo searchs): change your police communications technicians (top base $35,346) from civilian status to uniform status and pay them more to attract a better pool of candidates!

SCANdal

 

[jmm346]

How about this one (and hopefully Frank R can jump in and tell us what the top base is now for a FAD - since I couldn't find it after almost an hour of google and yahoo searchs): change your police communications technicians (top base $35,346) from civilian status to uniform status and pay them more to attract a better pool of candidates!

SCANdal

I'm not Frank but I did get the following from Google.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcas/downloads/pdf/noes/firealarmdispatcher.pdf

 

[jmm346]

That's because SOD is a dispatch channel. Operations are usually switched over to a low power tac channel. Usually Tac G.

And when not close enough to pick up Tac G, some details can be picked up from the division channel, especially while ESU is still in route.

 

[maalox]

And when not close enough to pick up Tac G, some details can be picked up from the division channel, especially while ESU is still in route.

anyone no the tag g freq.

 

[n2nov]

See http://www.n2nov.net/nypd_ems.html

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