Radios that will work with SDR-IQ?

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Besides the following radios listed in Spectra Vue, does anyone know of other radios that will interface with the SDR-IQ?

AOR 5000 / 8600 / SR-2000 / AR One
DZKit Sienna
Elecraft K3
ICOM IC7700 / R8500 / R7x00 / R9x00 / IC 756Pro
Kenwood TS-850 / 870 / 950
TenTec Orion II
Yaesu FT-1000MP / 2000D / FT950 (w/ IF2000) / FTDX-5000
 

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Not sure if this is what your referring to but I have connected my Icom R75. Using WinradHD and OmniRig it allows the frequency to remain in sync on both radios. Can tune the SDR-IQ using the R75 when I'm too lazy to use the mouse.
 

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The radios you have listed are the ones that have specific entries and pull downs in the SpectraVue ExtRadio Setup menu.

However, it will also likely work to some extent with any related radio with the same family of protocols. This means, for example, although it only list 5 Icoms specifically, it will work, with various limitations that will be radio specific, with many of the Icoms that use the CI-V protocol and that either have an RS-232 interface or you have an RS-232 to CI-V adapter for. For example I know of someone using an SDR-IQ with an Icom IC-735 and external CI-V adapter, but that radio is obviously not on the list.

Similarly I know of several users of Yaesu CAT protocol radios that have been successful in integrating the SDR-IQ and SpectraVue.

And, as Brandon has pointed out, there are other software packages out there besides SpectraVue that might broaden the field some. Although I primarily use SpectraVue that does not mean it is the only answer out there to work with the SDR-IQ and other radios.

Do you have any radios specifically in mind that you are wondering about? Or are you just trying to compose an all encompassing list?

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Gentlemen,

As always, thank you for sharing your wealth of info!

I'm looking to see what radios may possibly work. The R75 interests me the most as it seems to be a great radio for the price. A dream would be interfacing with the BCD996 or PRO-197. From some screenshots I've seen, it appears that via a 10.7 MHz IF (I assume), I can extend the SDRs "reach" significantly.

I need to do some more reading to fully understand the capabilities of the SDR in interfacing with external radios.
 

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I'm looking to see what radios may possibly work. The R75 interests me the most as it seems to be a great radio for the price. A dream would be interfacing with the BCD996 or PRO-197. From some screenshots I've seen, it appears that via a 10.7 MHz IF (I assume), I can extend the SDRs "reach" significantly.

I need to do some more reading to fully understand the capabilities of the SDR in interfacing with external radios.

There are multiple levels of interfacing possible, from complete control of the front radio via SpectraVue on down to no control at all.

The SDR-IQ can work to some extent with any radio that has an IF between 1 kHz and 30 MHz, it does not have to be just 10.7 MHz, indeed the exact frequency of the IF does not matter as long as it is in the range of the SDR-IQ. In this mode of operation you might use another means to control the "front end" radio (be it the front panel of the radio or another software suite), and the SDR-IQ with SpectraVue (or any other of several pieces of software, SV is not the only option) would just look at all of the signals presented in the IF of the radio, much as a panadapter.

In this way you could, for example, convert an FM/AM only scanner to an all mode receiver (I have done this with my Realistic Pro-2004). And, assuming the front end radio does not have tight filters on or before the IF you are using (and most will not) you would be able to see and listen to/record things +/- 95 kHz of the center tuned frequency of the front end radio.

As far as using the Icom R-75 with the SDR-IQ in its IF…yes, you can, but why most of the time? The SDR-IQ can function as a stand-alone receiver up to 30 MHz. The R-75 as a front end would add the 30-60 MHz range, and unless you need that why not just use the SDR-IQ alone? The SDR-IQ might have a problem in this kind of application if you are in an area of high RFI, it is a wide open front end, after all. In that case, yeah, it needs to be behind something else. And while the R-75 has a better noise floor on paper and on the bench, in actual application I find there is little or no performance difference between them, and the SDR-IQ is the more versatile. To be sure, there are times the R-75 is pulling stations the SDR-IQ cannot, but there are also times the SDR-IQ with its fully adjustable filters pulls stations the R-75 cannot.

Also remember that to use the R-75 with the SDR-IQ you will have to modify the R-75. That radio does not have an IF port on the back, and you must bring the IF out of the radio to use it in the SDR-IQ. Probably the 2nd IF at around 9.01 MHz, I would think after the mixer D491 and before the noise blanker.

Now, don’t get me wrong, I do, from time to time, use the SDR-IQ as a detector for an HF radio. The combination can take advantage of the best of both worlds. However, the vast majority of the time I use the SDR-IQ stand-alone when below 30 MHz, and in the IF of a radio when above 30 MHz.

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As a SDR-IQ user, this has been a very educational thread, thanks for taking the time sharing your knowledge and experience.

I really enjoy my SDR-IQ, but my biggest complaint is the noise and the non working noise blanker with SV. I thought by interfacing with a receiver, I would have the best of both worlds? (extra filters, noise blanker etc.)



 

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As a SDR-IQ user, this has been a very educational thread, thanks for taking the time sharing your knowledge and experience.

I really enjoy my SDR-IQ, but my biggest complaint is the noise and the non working noise blanker with SV. I thought by interfacing with a receiver, I would have the best of both worlds? (extra filters, noise blanker etc.)

OK, first, what kind of noise problem do you have? In general I have not found the SDR-IQ to be that much more susceptible to noise than any other radio. Of course, you can SEE the noise easier, so it is often more easily noticed.

But for sure, when you have noise, the NB in SpectraVue only works with certain types of noise. It is not the best NB I have used, by far, but also not the worst.

Using the -IQ behind the R-75 is going to give you coverage in the 30-60 MHz range. Not sure why you want extra filters, what are you trying to filter out? What other benefits you get will depend on exactly where you tap into the R-75 at. Your choices are going to be limited to grabbing the signal in the 2nd IF or the 3rd IF, but there are a couple places in each IF that could be used.

The best protection, filters, noise blanker, etc, would be found in the 3rd IF, 450 to 456 kHz depending on the mode the R-75 is in. Probably sometime after Q891 or the Q911/912 pair. Of course, at this point the signal has passed through at least 3 or 4 filters and then you are going to be limited to a 15 kHz or less bandwidth, down to 2.4 kHz depending on the R-75 switch settings, so really no reason for using an SDR at that point.

If you grab the signal in the 2nd IF, about the 9.01 MHz IF, then you are still after the Noise Blanker of the R-75, but also after 2 or 3 filters. After buffer Q801 I think your bandwidth would be limited to about 15 kHz. Again, do you really need an SDR to use that bandwidth? You MIGHT be able to grab the 2nd IF right after the NB circuit and have a bit more bandwidth (not sure how much, the bandwidth of the proceeding filters are not specified on the drawings, I suspect about 30 kHz), but as there is no buffer between the NB and the filters you would have to come up with your own buffer circuit, something that will not load or add noise to the R-75. Grabbing it after the buffer in that stage also means grabbing it after yet another band pass filter.

Since no matter where you grab the IF out of the R-75 you are going to be killing the wide bandwith display, and thus the point and click capability, of the SDR it seems to me that the only advantage to putting the SDR behind the R-75 is to use the sharp skirts and adjustable bandwidths of the SDR filters.

Any SDR used behind a traditional superhet design is best employed when you can grab an IF before heavy bandwidth limiting filtering. In the R-75 using the first IF, right after the Q441,442 pair, would be best, but since the IF at this point is 69.01 the SDR-IQ can not use it directly. You could tap it here and provide your own mixer and LO to bring it down to a range the SDR-IQ can use. This is exactly what RFSpace had to do, using the RFSpace IF-2000 daughter board, to make the SDR-IQ work with the Yaesu FT-2000 and FT-950 radios as these radios have a first IF up around 69.450 MHz. All of the other IFs were post filter.

However, when done correctly the SDR behind the traditional radio is really good, I have an SDR-IQ behind my FT-2000 and it is simply a fantastic combination. The good RF front end of the FT-2000 and the point and click operation and fantastic filters of the SDR are a very good combination.

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Sorry I was not more specific, I was refering to the noise/ static I hear when parked or moving around, its louder than any other receiver I have used. I feel it needs to be hooked up to an external DSP.
 

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Sorry I was not more specific, I was refering to the noise/ static I hear when parked or moving around, its louder than any other receiver I have used. I feel it needs to be hooked up to an external DSP.

As in a car? I wouldn't expect much using the SDR-IQ inside a running vehicle (if that's what you meant).
 

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Would it be possible to interface a PRO-197 to the SDR-IQ via the PC/IF port (obviously with a different cable)?
 

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As in a car? I wouldn't expect much using the SDR-IQ inside a running vehicle (if that's what you meant).

I have not tried the SDR-IQ in a mobile environment, only in my shack. I do not know how else to describe the noise. When turned on, on a frequency or moving around the bands it is the nosiest receiver that I have used.
 
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