Ranking Uniden scanners with RIDS and how well they decide.

[EJB]

Hullo. I hope that this thread is in the right place. If not please move it to the correct place.

I'm a loyal Uniden man and I absolutely love tagging and naming the radio id's. I constantly am adding, subtracting, correcting, etc.

In 2010 I was very lucky to get a Home Patrol 1 and I immediately was able to tag literally up to close to 100's of thousands of RIDS,

The Home Patrol does a good job of decoding, there is also enough room to type in most of if not all the RIDS

For instance our provincial police force have so many RIDS to tag.. The decoding is almost perfect and seemless. My only complaint is that I make a bunch of errors and radios are taken out of cars, into new ones. So I have to put in brackets the Radio ID and there just is not enough space to put on everything.

So an example of what I type, our local provincial police detachment, Burlington 5 Charley gets entered in as such: Burlington 5C (666).

Ive been very blessed that I have the SDS100, A 396XT and a BCD 436. I was excited to have more room and both the 436 and SDS100 I don't have to type in the actual radio ID. I also hoped that the newer technology the scanners would do an even better job reading and decoding the comms.

Man I was disappointed with both the sds and the 436. The HP1 does a better job deciding. Very often the 436 and sds miss and when the dispatcher is talking the radio ID doesn't switch to the new radio, it often falls behind or misses it.

The 396XT does a good job with its limits, the PSR800 I had years ago did a decent job.
. But I am disappointed with this part of the sds and 436 scanners.

Perhaps some of you can give me your opinions and maybe share info and advice?

Eric

 

[werinshades]

Hullo. I hope that this thread is in the right place. If not please move it to the correct place.

I'm a loyal Uniden man and I absolutely love tagging and naming the radio id's. I constantly am adding, subtracting, correcting, etc.

In 2010 I was very lucky to get a Home Patrol 1 and I immediately was able to tag literally up to close to 100's of thousands of RIDS,

The Home Patrol does a good job of decoding, there is also enough room to type in most of if not all the RIDS

For instance our provincial police force have so many RIDS to tag.. The decoding is almost perfect and seemless. My only complaint is that I make a bunch of errors and radios are taken out of cars, into new ones. So I have to put in brackets the Radio ID and there just is not enough space to put on everything.

So an example of what I type, our local provincial police detachment, Burlington 5 Charley gets entered in as such: Burlington 5C (666).

Ive been very blessed that I have the SDS100, A 396XT and a BCD 436. I was excited to have more room and both the 436 and SDS100 I don't have to type in the actual radio ID. I also hoped that the newer technology the scanners would do an even better job reading and decoding the comms.

Man I was disappointed with both the sds and the 436. The HP1 does a better job deciding. Very often the 436 and sds miss and when the dispatcher is talking the radio ID doesn't switch to the new radio, it often falls behind or misses it.

The 396XT does a good job with its limits, the PSR800 I had years ago did a decent job.
. But I am disappointed with this part of the sds and 436 scanners.

Perhaps some of you can give me your opinions and maybe share info and advice?

Eric

I'm a Radio ID text tagger as well. Like you, frequently update etc. The issue you describes sounds like one I've mentioned before and acknowledged by Joe Bearcat. This involves Phase 2 systems, or better described as "late entry Phase 2 UID capture issues". Is this the type of system that's problematic?

 

[EJB]

It's universally poor, on mixed digital /analogue, on newer P25 systems, regular and phase 2.

 

[werinshades]

It's universally poor, on mixed digital /analogue, on newer P25 systems, regular and phase 2.

I have text tgged radio ID's in almost all the types of systems you mentioned. In addition, I also have MotoTRBO, One Frequency Trunk P25, DMR systems and the proper ID is displayed when the radio is transmitted. On an analog trunk system (when it was active), the scanner would "hang" on the transmitting radio and until the repeater released it, the same radio ID would be displayed. On Phase 2 systems, at times the capture is late and doesn't show up on initial transmission, but follow up conversations display the proper radio ID.

Without knowing more about the system(s) you're having issues with, I can't make any suggestions. The only thing I can comment on and disagree on that it's universally poor as I have programmed numerous systems, text tagged radio ID's and haven't experienced that.

 

[EJB]

Interesting.

I did a fair bit of recording recently and on a neighboring P25 phase 1 system the radio constantly missed the Radio id's or I'd hear Dispatch show up as a fire apparatus and then the actual fire trucks the RIDS were for the Dispatch.

I monitored our provincial analogue/digitalix system, the analogue portion did the same thing. The users on the P25 part was better.

I also recorded both systems on my HP1 and it does a much better job showing the correct RIDS.

 

[werinshades]

Interesting.

I did a fair bit of recording recently and on a neighboring P25 phase 1 system the radio constantly missed the Radio id's or I'd hear Dispatch show up as a fire apparatus and then the actual fire trucks the RIDS were for the Dispatch.

I monitored our provincial analogue/digitalix system, the analogue portion did the same thing. The users on the P25 part was better.

I also recorded both systems on my HP1 and it does a much better job showing the correct RIDS.

The recordings and RID's don't match up on both x36hp and SDS scanners and this issue has been problematic and documented for many years so don't depend on recordings as a guage for RID documentation.

If you're seeing the same issue on live broadcasts, it's not a scanner issue but a programming issue. Hopefully you're deleting or editing Radio ID's that have changed?

 

[RoninJoliet]

My RS197 and RS106 do not show UIDs all the time but the Unidens seem to be right on every transmission

 

[werinshades]

My RS197 and RS106 do not show UIDs all the time but the Unidens seem to be right on every transmission

Mine as well..."live" transmissions.

 

[EJB]

The recordings and RID's don't match up on both x36hp and SDS scanners and this issue has been problematic and documented for many years so don't depend on recordings as a guage for RID documentation.

If you're seeing the same issue on live broadcasts, it's not a scanner issue but a programming issue. Hopefully you're deleting or editing Radio ID's that have changed?

I wouldn't know if the RIDS have been changed or deleted. I know that radios get moved into different cars and such.

I still have a ton of Trunk 88 info and I bet that if I wanted I could go back thru and see what RIDS are active and such.

 

[werinshades]

I wouldn't know if the RIDS have been changed or deleted. I know that radios get moved into different cars and such.

I still have a ton of Trunk 88 info and I bet that if I wanted I could go back thru and see what RIDS are active and such.

If you happen to be listening live, then it would be easier to decipher. I wouldn't depend on recordings due to the problem I mentioned. But, radio ID's and text tagging them work well and I have numerous systems set up.

 

[EJB]

I have literally about 5 different forms of our provincial communications system and have gone over 1000 RIDS on many of them. Anyone who hangs out in the Ontario Forum knows me and who I am, and I decided to start from scratch on a few of the forms.

I was gone for about 3 hours today and set the sds100 to record. Man what a waste!

Probably 700 calls, and I was only able to add in about 60. That's a bad ratio.

It's a long weekend here and I am out of work so I will do 2 things.

Go live, do the best I can and 2ndly maybe try to record using the 436 that I also have that i use as my main mobile and backup scanner for all my info.

The Home Patrol 1, it's 10 years old now, it does a much better job while recording.

I love the sds100, it's awesome save the recording function.