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is this the reband table that i should use also in my bc996t,bc796D'if so i will copy it down in the link you have ARC96?
 

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For Uniden scanners, the following article summarizes the table changes necessary for rebanding;

Software Support for Uniden Rebanding - The RadioReference Wiki

Note that you must have both the latest version of the firmware for your scanners as well as the latest software version for these to work. To see precisely how to enter these values manually, see the Uniden TWiki article for each scanner

best regards..Mike
 

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Last I check a couple of weeks ago, 853.3125 for z2 was dead. Although, they've been a bit quiet, but I haven't missed any complete tx's. I'll check 1 and 2 later.

shawn

My understanding is that its in the process starting west to east. I was told that during the last reprogramming session is that all the new and old control channels were added in so as far as the radio knows, there is no "seam". As the sites get changed over one by one, the radio won't notice.
 

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I've checked all freqs in z1and2. Nothing on rebanding. Guess we'll just have to keep checking and waiting!

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As of April 12, 2011

Hartford county:

Hartford Hospital Security 860.8125 MHz DPL025
Also, new trunk channel: 853.4625 from 868.4625

CCSU Police, New Britain: 856.8125 MHz DPL071

857.4125 MHz PL 114.8 RAFS 1
854.9125 MHz PL 114.8 RAFS 2

City of Hartford: WPSJ542 4 new channels
13 14 15 16
854.0125, 856.0375, 855.0125, 854.5625

West Hartford Has Re-Banded as of 6/25/2009

WPMN274

851.0750
851.3250
851.8000
852.5500
853.2875
853.8125

OCTOBER 29, 2010
As of this morning, it looks like re-banding
has happened for Wethersfield. So far it is
analog.
New channels:

852.3000
852.8375
853.0750
853.5875
853.7875


Windham County

Willimantic PD 854.2625 Mhz PL 162.2

New Haven County
Meriden PD 855.5125 MHz PL123.0

Meriden is also licensed for the I-Call re-banded frequencies

New Haven Fire :
854.4875 MHz DPL311
859.5625 MHz DPL311

Waterbury has new frequencies
WPLU572
ULS License - PubSafty/SpecEmer/PubSaftyNtlPlan,806-817/851-862MHz,Trunked License - WPLU572 - WATERBURY, CITY OF - Frequencies Summary
Note: This is a LTR Multinet system

New London County:
Groton Town PD
Ch 1 853.400 DCS 155
Ch 2 851.575 DCS 155

Sprague: 855.2625 MHz WQFI 471

Statewide:
Department of Corrections
854.1125 MHz; 857.6625 MHz; 859.5375 Mhz; and 859.6625 MHz- status pending

Fairfield County:
Shelton PD:
852.2500 - PL 110.9
853.4375 - PL 110.9

**Keep an eye out for the State Police re-banding coming soon....**

Update: The holdup for Conn State Police re-banding has been rumored to be a microwave capacity issue. Not enough channels for both the current
and re-banded trunking at this time.
 

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=Update: The holdup for Conn State Police re-banding has been rumored to be a microwave capacity issue. Not enough channels for both the current and re-banded trunking at this time.

Not sure if that is accurate. All the rebanding is done on the radios/site controller at the site itself, and the MW system doesn't carry those type of channels over the system. The MW system carries the MOSCAD (alarms, system health information), the talkgroup information and audio, etc. It doesn't care what channels are on the site. Unless there is something really funky setup (which there shouldn't be)...
 

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Not sure if that is accurate. All the rebanding is done on the radios/site controller at the site itself, and the MW system doesn't carry those type of channels over the system. The MW system carries the MOSCAD (alarms, system health information), the talkgroup information and audio, etc. It doesn't care what channels are on the site. Unless there is something really funky setup (which there shouldn't be)...
I second this.

I don't mean to spin up the rumor mill further, but...
I literally just heard (about 5 minutes ago) the delay is actually due implementing encryption across the board for CSP, not just for certain talkgroups like it is now. My source is extremely reliable, and I know this individual well, but sometimes these agencies like to fluff things up a bit to keep hobbyists on their toes so I can't personally verify. :) He told me in the past that when the rebanding takes place it will be encrypted. I just had my doubts on it. Not so sure now.
It seems to make sense, from CSP's standpoint at least. Not sure if it would actually cause the said delay though.
 

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I was sent a message a few days back that the new radios being installed in replacement crusiers have ADP encyption available in them. However, this does not mean that CSP is going encypted statewide. Two reasons I state this:

ADP was purchased with new radios from Motorola can be had at $10 per radio. This is a significant savings compared to ~$500 per radio for DES/AES/DVP encryption. On the cost side, I'd order it for my radios as well for "down the road". As far as the system is concerned, only reprogramming of the talkgroups in the system database (ie, check a checkbox) and reprogramming of the radios themselves to the master templates would be required. The system is already setup for encyption so nothing major would need to be done.

Point 2: The media and all of their doom and gloom will have a fit over it. The CSP tends to have a good working relationship with the media, so I doubt they would cut that over. In addition, there is nothing too earth shattering over the radio that is said these days anyways with most police agencies.

Point 2.5: ADP (as far as I can tell) is not available on the XTS3000's still widely used. I am sure as those get replaced, the new model (XTS5000, APX7000 or APX6000) will come with ADP. But according to the message I got, just the new cars as they are rotated in are getting the new radios.

All subject to change of course!
 

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ADP was purchased with new radios from Motorola can be had at $10 per radio. This is a significant savings compared to ~$500 per radio for DES/AES/DVP encryption. On the cost side, I'd order it for my radios as well for "down the road". As far as the system is concerned, only reprogramming of the talkgroups in the system database (ie, check a checkbox) and reprogramming of the radios themselves to the master templates would be required. The system is already setup for encyption so nothing major would need to be done.

Point 2: The media and all of their doom and gloom will have a fit over it. The CSP tends to have a good working relationship with the media, so I doubt they would cut that over. In addition, there is nothing too earth shattering over the radio that is said these days anyways with most police agencies.

Point 2.5: ADP (as far as I can tell) is not available on the XTS3000's still widely used. I am sure as those get replaced, the new model (XTS5000, APX7000 or APX6000) will come with ADP. But according to the message I got, just the new cars as they are rotated in are getting the new radios.

All subject to change of course!

OK I heard the same thing regarding ADP so there's definite validity here. As for down the road, I am starting to think down the road is a lot closer, unfortunately.

Regarding your second point, I agree that this is a huge consideration. The media has a good relationship with CSP and based on the number and context of the incomplete snippets seen on the "Breaking News" found on the local tv outlet or on the web, it's obvious they are getting info from monitoring the scanner. Encryption would likely cripple them!

Regarding the last point you made, the XTS3000 does in fact support ADP software encryption. I wasn't positive, but I thought it might. I just made a phone call to Motorola and got confirmation on that. That doesn't work well for hoping the encryption is far off.

Now obviously I am still just surmising here, but I was told yesterday that CSP was planning to implement encryption with the rebanding roll-out, still a couple months from completion. I was also told the ADP 'software' was purchased for each radio and that this is somehow causing the current delay. Like I said in my original reply, I am not sure how it delays things, but that's what I was told.

If all this is true, and since we know their fleet can support it, I guess we might expect ADP encryption with the rebanding. Let me just say I don't want to misinform or steer anyone down the wrong path so I am trying to be careful with what I say since even though I consider my contacts reliable, I am still not embedded in the CSP getting the straight dope.

I will try to get better, more specific info today. Like you said, everything is subject to change!
 

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I will double check, but ASAIK and looking thru the Motorola catalogs on their non-public support site, ADP is only available on the ASTRO25 and APX line (it was introduced with the XTS5000). AES was made available for the older ASTRO lines (ASTRO Spectra, Saber, XTS3000), but not ADP.

ADP also was orginally released as a software only solution with the XTS2500 with hardware based boards later.

From what I can see, the following radios will support ADP:

XTS1500
XTS2500
XTS4000
XTS5000
XTL1500
XTL2500
XTL5000
APX6000
APX6500
APX7000
APX7500
XPR6xxx TRBO

I think the person on the other end of the phone was thinking of the ASTRO25 line. Most of the first line people you speak with on the first tier of support are clueless (if you called the national number(s) ). If you spoke with a local/semi-local company such as WPS, Bearcomm etc, results vary there too. I've had a Bearcom rep tell me (years ago) to just hack the radio rather than buy the option I wanted (ugh).

There WAS a software based encyption for the orginal ASTRO line, but it only worked with the VSLEP codec, and not IMBE. This was purchased by LAPD before IMBE became the P25 standard. When LAPD updated their radios, this option was removed as it is incompatible with IMBE.

Tidbit: Althought the XTS3000 and ASTRO Saber are different models, the software that runs both of them is pretty much the same (firmware and programming software). The oddball was the XTS3500 which had an updated CPU and different programming software to handle more advanced encyption and wasn't widely sold as the 3000.
 

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Good info.

My call to Moto was not through the national number. What's interesting is that I also turned up the same list of radios prior to the call, but moto claims (via the phone conversation) that the XTS3000 is ADP capable through a software package and disputed the list. I'm not too familiar with the XTS3000 so you know better than I but I was under the impression yesterday that the fleet was ADP capable until I read your reply! lol

I guess it's possible I confused the gentleman on the phone. :) I dunno. I will try to reconfirm the XTS3000 claim momentarily.

Interesting about the 3000 and ASTRO Saber though.
 

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i sure hope state police doesnt go full encryption i love hearing all the calls on weekends,when it gets busy11
 

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My guess as to the reason for the delay in implementing the rebanded frequencies (it is purely a guess) is with licensing. Some changes were still being approved for the rebanded 851-854 frequencies as recently as last week.

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Or it can start happening very soon.
At least one Zone switched for a very brief time and then back today.

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I could be wrong, but I think that the ADP encryption is not P25 accepted. As such, only Motorola radios can talk to each other in the encrypted mode.

This is not unheard of by Motorola to keep other vendor radios out of the system. This keeps the prices high on the radios. However, if encryption is not used (ADP), then other vendor radios can play well on the system, baring any special functions that Motorola may try to use to keep them out.

If I was a tax payer in the state, I would be very vocal over these tactics being used to keep the competition out and Motorola being able to keep prices maintained on the high side.
 

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OK so this is what I know so far:

PJH, I called back my guy at moto with regards to the XTS3000 accepting ADP encryption and was told that there was nothing more he could tell me. I don't think he wanted to get into it. So for arguments sake, let's say PJH is right and it does not accept ADP. That's good right?

Well, the information I got locally wasn't related to ADP per se, but to the acquisition of new radios. The new radios are not only being rotated in with new vehicles like I, and others I presume, suspected. The directive was given last year to replace all radios in cars under 70,000 miles and obviously new radios in new cars. This has already taken place prior to 2011 for the most part, although some of the older cars ready for replacement were left untouched. Could this be a factor in the delay? I have no idea. We're just guessing at this point. I think this is just one more piece to the puzzle that we will all hear about relatively soon.

Now, if it's accurate that the fleet will essentially be fully upgraded, then it's conceivable that ADP will be available for use. That does not necessarily mean they will use it, but it is there for use.
 

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Troop D, Zone 7 has switched over to the 852.2000 PCC. Unsure if it will stay on the new frequencies or change back by the end of the day.

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