RENIR - Reseau National Integre de Radiocommunication

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mciupa

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The 301XX to 304XX look to be SQ domain. Maybe a local may know locations.
 

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As for my notes for the Sherbrooke Area (Albert Mines Site) I agree with mciupa that 301XX and 30400 are most likely SQ. In Sherbrooke and Estrie the paramedics and MTQ are also using RENIR. I'm not sure of what range of groups they would be in.

Honestly not too much to listen to on the RENIR as 95% seems to be encrypted.
 

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Hello Mike,

I don't know if this is any help.
I am in Ottawa and can decode a weak RENIR control channel on 141.465 NAC 147

Here is the info for it not sure if it is the site you are interested in.

P25 Site BEE00.14f-2.6 NAC 147 NL: 2.5 2.6 2.61 2.62 2.79 2.93

Guess this is the site you mentioned.
The voice frequencies decoded are:

2-1030 141.150
2-1093 141.465
2-3281 152.405
2-3533 153.665

Is this system totally encrypted?

I can also hear Mt. Tremblant, very weak though.
conditions might be good at this time
Everything looks encrypted.

Mt. Tremblant:
Site BEE00.14f-2.62 NAC 149 NL: 2.5 2.6 2.7 2.24 2.44 2.43 2.80 2.93
 

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That's not the answer I was hoping for! Haha. ;)

Thank you for the info, Much appreciated!

(Trying to ID a user 153.6650, NAC FEDh, all encrypted and I saw that NAC used in Canada before)
 

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OK. I show 153.665 as the voice frequency for RENIR Site 2.6

Years ago I logged a NAC FED on 422.060 here in Ottawa, but it does not seem to be active anymore.
It was encrypted .
 
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I'm actually working on gathering and submitting NAC's among other information during my work trip for at least the Côte-Nord and Nord-du-Quebec regions. My brother is also checking the sites the length of Autoroute 20 from Saint-Hyacinthe, and RN-138 from Boischantel to Port-Cartier as he makes his way up to visit.

Can anyone speak as to the positivity that 1-77 is in Bas-Saint-Laurent as listed in the database? I'm down from Labrador on a work trip and currently have a RSSI of -49dBm and a 90% decode on it from inside my hotel room in Sept-Îles on an RTL-SDR and a rubber duck antenna. I'm doubting I'm getting that kind of quality from 117Km across the bay at the closest from inside on that set-up.

Also, I submitted an update for the site's information.

Receiving talkgroups 1313 (RID's in the 107xxxx range), 1411 (RID's in the 127xxxx range), 1438 (RID's in the 127xxxx range), and 4700 (RID's in the 126xxxx range) on 1-77 currently. All encrypted.
 

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In starting to work on the system in the North and East, I made some observations which may help others with working on RENIR.

Firstly, at least in Côte-Nord and Nord-du-Québec, a standard tower design is being used. They are using guyed, high elevation Rohn 65G style aluminum towers. Along Route 138 east of Québec they are mostly using exposed dipole antennas. Some are in an omnidirectional arrangement, but in the sparsely populated east they are set-up mostly directional.

Secondly, the sites all seem to be transmitting using incredibly high power. My brother and I have frequently hunted trunking systems for the RadioReference database and our own purposes for years. I personally, and he agrees, have never seen a system where you can so easily receive a system with an RSSI of -35dBm to -45dBm in mountainous terrain from up to 20Km away. Nor have either of us noted such strong readings, in the -10dBm from a site when we found it's location. All on the same settings and configuration. This is good cause it makes the system easy to receive, but it creates a challenge for tracking sites down due to the signal fluctuating in strength less.

Thirdly, it's clear the system has expanded more rapidly than has been discussed here. There is almost full coverage of Côte-Nord from Blanc-Sablon to Québec. For a system that has been notoriously problematic, they're making quite a lot of progress erecting and turning up sites. It may be worth while that anyone who is traveling throughout the province, especially the more remote areas, keep scanning the appropriate frequency ranges for any unknown sites.

Also, perhaps the moderators could make this post a pinned thread so there is a single place for on-going discussions of the system. It's clear it's expansion is now accelerating and warrants it.

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En commençant à travailler sur le système au Nord et à l'Est, j'ai fait quelques observations qui pourront aider d'autres à travailler sur RENIR.

Premièrement, au moins sur la Côte-Nord et le Nord-du-Québec, une conception de tour standard est utilisée. Ils utilisent des tours en aluminium de style Rohn 65G haubanées et à haute altitude. Le long de la route 138 à l'est de Québec, ils utilisent principalement des antennes dipolaires exposées. Certains sont dans un agencement omnidirectionnel, mais dans l'est peu peuplé, ils sont principalement directionnels.

Deuxièmement, les sites semblent tous transmettre en utilisant une puissance incroyablement élevée. Mon frère et moi avons fréquemment recherché des systèmes de jonction pour la base de données RadioReference et nos propres besoins pendant des années. Personnellement, et il est d'accord, je n'ai jamais vu un système où vous pouvez recevoir aussi facilement un système avec un RSSI de -35dBm à -45dBm en terrain montagneux jusqu'à 20 km de distance. Ni l'un ni l'autre de nous n'avons noté des lectures aussi fortes, dans les -10 dBm d'un site lorsque nous avons trouvé son emplacement. Le tout sur les mêmes paramètres et configuration. C'est une bonne chose car cela rend le système facile à recevoir, mais cela crée un défi pour le suivi des sites en raison de la fluctuation moindre de la force du signal.

Troisièmement, il est clair que le système s'est développé plus rapidement que ce qui a été discuté ici. Il y a une couverture presque complète de la Côte-Nord de Blanc-Sablon à Québec. Pour un système qui a été notoirement problématique, ils font beaucoup de progrès en érigeant et en mettant en place des sites. Il vaut peut-être la peine que quiconque voyage à travers la province, en particulier dans les régions les plus éloignées, continue de balayer les gammes de fréquences appropriées pour tout site inconnu.

De plus, les modérateurs pourraient peut-être faire de ce message un fil de discussion épinglé afin qu'il y ait un seul endroit pour les discussions en cours sur le système. Il est clair que son expansion s'accélère maintenant et le justifie.

Je m'excuse aussi. Mon français est loin d'être parfait.
 

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I have consolidated all RENIR threads into this sticky thread at the top of the page for one stop reference.
 

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Here is the list of TGs I picked up since 2017. Most are encrypted.
129
132
1060
1062
2035
2039
2042
2043
2319
2320
2604
2622 - not encrypted: Ministère des Forêts, de la Faune et des Parcs
2623 - not encrypted: Ministère des Forêts, de la Faune et des Parcs
2624 - not encrypted: Ministère des Forêts, de la Faune et des Parcs
2625 - not encrypted: Ministère des Forêts, de la Faune et des Parcs
3012
3102
4743
4748
4752
4765
6208
7569
7574
7600
7604
7621
7626
7629
7630
7632
16388
30116
30128
30593
55152
60701
 

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Here are the information for 2 sites in the Gaspésie area.

Type: APCO P25 WACN: BEE00 SysID: 14F

SITE 001-051 St-Jogues (Gaspésie) NAC: 141
LCN FREQUENCIES
02-0940 140.70000 a
02-1033 141.16500 cc
02-3395 152.97500 a
02-3647 154.23500 a
03-1375 163.35000
03-1834 165.64500

PEERS
CONTROL FREQUENCY SITE
02-0961 140.80500 001-028
02-1015 141.07500 001-076
03-1162 162.28500 001-078

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SITE 001-078 Carleton (Gaspésie) NAC: 142
LCN FREQUENCIES
02-0967 140.83500 a
02-3677 154.38500 a
03-1162 162.28500 cc
03-1432 163.63500
03-1747 165.21000

PEERS
CONTROL FREQUENCY SITE
02-0961 140.80500 001-028
02-1033 141.16500 001-051
03-1222 162.58500 001-058
03-1768 165.31500 001-138
 

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Despite the coverage in Côte-Nord, it seems that most of the conventional RENIR sites are still active along Route 138. This requires more investigation, like everything east of Havre-Saint-Pierre. It is interesting the conventional sites are still on the air despite the new P25 system being active.

Malgré la couverture de la Côte-Nord, il semble que la plupart des sites conventionnels du RENIR soient encore actifs le long de la Route 138. Cela nécessite plus d'investigation, comme tout ce qui est à l'est de Havre-Saint-Pierre. Il est intéressant de noter que les sites conventionnels sont toujours en ondes malgré l'activation du nouveau système P25.
 
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