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WayneH

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Folks, when you submit TG data for this new system can you please include whether the TG is digital or analog? Thanks,

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After listening to the new sites for an hour or two this morning, I came up with the following. These were all analog and appeared to be simulcast.

Site 001 - Sac City
59248 - City Fire B1 (?)
59280 - City Fire B2 (?)
60304 - SPD North Ch1

Site 002 - Sac County
53200 - Metro Fire Dispatch A1
53264 - Metro Fire Command A2 or A3
61552 - SSD A1

Also, does anyone know why sometimes you will hear City talk groups on the county site and vice versa? For example, right before typing this I just heard 60304 on the county site, and it was a Sac PD dispatcher and unit. Earlier I heard a City fire engine on 59280 on the county site.
 
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servo_fan said:
59248 - City Fire B1 (?)
59280 - City Fire B2 (?)
I listened using one scanner on the old system and another one on the new one. Those are definitely correct, no question mark needed. :)

I'm hearing a lot of the fire talkgroups on the county frequencies. I am using a BC785D for the new system and BCT8's for the old systems so I can't see which sysid comes up.

I just heard another new one:

59440 - City Fire B 7 (3312 on the old system)

This one is also analog and simulcast.
 

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They're probably ALL there...it'll just take a while for units to talk on them.

So far it looks as though every talkgroup is analog. My BC246T is working just fine.
 
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Heard a few more analog simulcast TGID's yesterday and today:

City Fire B 3 59312
County Fire A 6 53360
County Fire A 12 53552
City Fire B 6 59408
West Sac Fire dispatch 64208

Another analog TGID that is not simulcast:

Grant PD Ch. 3 (?) 56112

Also heard digital I-Call testing. I didn't write down the ID's, though.
 

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It's weird. My 785D keeps showing I-Call activity on the screen (flashes I-Call ID shortly), but neither Unitrunker nor Treport are showing it. I can't figure out what's going on. Sometimes the I-Call stays on, sometimes it's really quick.

Also, when posting talkgroup ID's, is it possible to post which site you were hearing the traffic on? Since the sites seem to be carrying different talkgroups, we're not sure which site each TG will wind up on (or if it'll be dependent on an affiliated radio).
 

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rolncode3 said:
is it possible to post which site you were hearing the traffic on?
I'm not sure how helpful that's going to be for the time being, as for the last 2 days I've heard a Sac PD talk group, (60304 Sac PD Ch1), on Site 2 frequencies. It's my understanding that Site 2 is county and Site 1 is city. Maybe things will start to fall into place going forward, but for now, some traffic seems to be on the "wrong" system.
 

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RolnCode3 said:
It's weird. My 785D keeps showing I-Call activity on the screen (flashes I-Call ID shortly), but neither Unitrunker nor Treport are showing it. I can't figure out what's going on. Sometimes the I-Call stays on, sometimes it's really quick.
Send me a data dump, I'll take a look. Hit the "@" key and send the "dump.tre" file.

You can attach it here but ZIP it first please. Thanks.

-Wayne
 

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That's the exact reason I'm curious as to what site it was heard on.

It's possible the "city" and "county" designations are no longer going to work.

And Wayne, I'll fire them up again, and let it run for a while. Didn't do a dump before I shut it down...man that sounds bad. Anyways, I'll do that next time I have them running.

*EDIT* Here's the dump.tre file zipped up. I can't figure out how to use the reader, so I couldn't look at it myself.

BTW-Wayne, lovin' the Win32 port of Treport (only found it yesterday)!
 

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I've noticed the following Talk Groups being broadcasted on both sites 001 and 002

53200 Fire A1 or Fire A1 & Fire B1 *
53264 Fire A2 patched to A3
59248 Fire B1
59280 Fire B2
56720 Los Rios Ch1

*53200 is particularly odd. I'm sure this is due to a Multi-Select function at the radio console itself.

53200 is most often Fire A1 traffic, but at times is broadcasted as Fire A1 & Fire B1
It appears to be a Multi-Select opposed to a TGID Patch.

I have a unique insight being I have a radio console, portable radio and scanner at my disposal at the same time.

I'm trying to keep this simple without getting too complicated in regards to how all the channels are patched and multi-selected.

I have yet to hear Fire A6 on both sites, 001 and 002. I've only heard it on the County side, 002

Based on my initial observations, the BC-996T ability to track mulitple sites will be a very nice feature to have. Additionally, hearing some talk groups on both sites is a very cool thing.
 

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antfreq said:
*53200 is particularly odd. I'm sure this is due to a Multi-Select function at the radio console itself.

53200 is most often Fire A1 traffic, but at times is broadcasted as Fire A1 & Fire B1
It appears to be a Multi-Select opposed to a TGID Patch.
I was going to post yesterday that 53200 showed "MS" in Unitrunker...multi select. I dunno the differences (or the importance), so I'll look it up myself. Just wanted you to know that Unitrunker is showing what you're saying...or at least it did when I was paying attention. Dunno if it still is.
 

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RolnCode3 said:
I was going to post yesterday that 53200 showed "MS" in Unitrunker...multi select. I dunno the differences (or the importance), so I'll look it up myself. Just wanted you to know that Unitrunker is showing what you're saying...or at least it did when I was paying attention. Dunno if it still is.

Patching is a way of connecting two or more Talk Groups together to create one solid channel. All parties can hear each other as if they were on the same channel/Talk Group


Multi-Select is a function used by, in this case, a dispatcher when transmitting.
Multi-Selecting two or more Talk Groups gives the ability to BROADCAST ( such as BOLO's or APB's ) over all the selected Talk Groups. It does NOT patch the channels together. Therefore users will not hear each other as they would a patch. It does not "connect" them together. Multi-Selecting is simply used to broadcast a transmission in one-way direction.
 

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antfreq said:
Based on my initial observations, the BC-996T ability to track mulitple sites will be a very nice feature to have. Additionally, hearing some talk groups on both sites is a very cool thing.
Pardon my ignorance, (again), but what does "tracking multiple sites" mean exactly?

Also, I guess it's pretty early in this project, but I would really like to be able to hear some talk groups on both sites, especially Sac PD on whatever site SSD and Fire will be on. That way we may never get "stuck" on the PD groups again. :p

Edit: heard 53552 - Metro Fire A12, on site 002
 
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What Systems are the real thing.

Which Frequencies Go With Which System? Is The Data Base Accurate...
Is There A Revised Id List For The Talk Groups...

I Really Would Like To Know How To Program The Scanner To Listen To Metro Fire, City Fire,west Sac Fire.

Thanks...
 

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For the time being, you can use the frequencies and the talk groups that are shown in the RR database (the database is accurate) for the City TRS & the County TRS. .

As the for the new systems, it will be a wait-and-see kind of thing for the talk groups.
 

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servo_fan said:
Pardon my ignorance, (again), but what does "tracking multiple sites" mean exactly?

Also, I guess it's pretty early in this project, but I would really like to be able to hear some talk groups on both sites, especially Sac PD on whatever site SSD and Fire will be on. That way we may never get "stuck" on the PD groups again. :p

Edit: heard 53552 - Metro Fire A12, on site 002

Sacramento has two sites. 001 and 002

Most scanners only allow 1 control channel per bank. Especially the newer Uniden scanners with Dynamic memory. It's my understanding that the new 996T allows more than one control channel per bank. It will track Sacramento's system (as with many others) more efficently, recognizing the fact that sites 001 and 002 are related to one another.
 

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Well i have read most of your post in the last couple of days i have not been able to get around to post..And i have a question/questions i think i was told by one of the admins that the D stands for digital on the screen but all frequencies say the D so im a bit confused. and then i have the new frequencies programed in my 96 all as MO and i have to lock out the CC chanels or it will stop on them but with my pro 97 i dont have to lock out anything.... please reply and thank you
 

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I have an excell spreadsheet I'm working on distinguishing both sites and was is being heard on what. plus talkgroups i am 95% sure on.

PM me your email address if interested. I can't attach an .xls file here.

Bill
 

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swat said:
Well i have read most of your post in the last couple of days i have not been able to get around to post..And i have a question/questions i think i was told by one of the admins that the D stands for digital on the screen but all frequencies say the D so im a bit confused. and then i have the new frequencies programed in my 96 all as MO and i have to lock out the CC chanels or it will stop on them but with my pro 97 i dont have to lock out anything.... please reply and thank you
D would be "Delay"
 
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