Big Bear E282 Has Made It To Fire - Well Involved Outbuilding At Radio Site - 1 Exposure (lp Gas) - No Threat To Vegetation - Addi
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This is yet another good reason not to use social media for news sources.
Big Bear E282 Has Made It To Fire - Well Involved Outbuilding At Radio Site - 1 Exposure (lp Gas) - No Threat To Vegetation - Addi
Socalmountains.com
Indicating that the Big Bear units who are dispatched by San Bernardino County Fire Department were not actually county units was not important. They were the first ones on scene. Whose engine belongs to whom is not relevant to the accuracy of the information I provided. Without realizing that socalmountains, who I am unrelated to, and who gets their information directly from SEMS as well as monitors, they posted a play-by-play that as it turns out the play-by-play I gave was identical to theirs. Oh, they're just "social media" and you happened to be on scene on 1N01 and have spoken directly to the battalion chief on scene. What was his name? Engine 283 got stuck in the snow and had to be pulled out by County Roads. Since you were there perhaps you could tell us type of vehicle that used to tow the engine out.Not sure how "you're misinformed" is blatant disrespect but... sure... he can take it however he wants to. Free country and all...
I'm replying not to Krazy but because he's spreading bad information to the other good people on this forum. This message is for them because they deserve it...
I monitored the call in progress including images from a security camera on site. In fact, just to prove AGAIN more misinformation, the "first" FFs at the site were NOT county FFs as was said, it was Big Bear FD. You don't have to trust my words, I'm not offended, pull up the broadcastify feed and listen to the audio. Big Bear FD (those are the engines in the two-eighty series) got their engine stuck part-way up the road and had to WALK the rest of the way (only to give a report on conditions). Not that it matters much but I also spoke directly with the BC DURING the incident. By coincidence, I also spoke this past week with a manager at County radio who told me it was the main generator building only and NO equipment was lost. If losing new radio equipment were true, it would/will be public record when they go to the county board of supervisors and put in a claim for replacement digital repeaters. Yes the FFs "said" it was the "main" building over the radio. Those initial FFs had NEVER been up there before to know one building from another. I don't think they actually know what the "main" building is and who could blame them for that? Their radio report did NOT say anything like "specifically identified as housing the new County radio system equipment." How would they even know this?
At any rate, read my posts closely I'm here not to disrespect but to inform.
I see no purpose bringing up an issue from December again in February. "Correcting misinformation."
In a post TWO DAYS AGO unrelated to Onyx Summit directly I wrote, "I can't say whether or not the Onyx Summit repeater is on the air yet since a fire recently destroyed the main building and a second outbuilding. Once firefighters got on-scene they reported that both structures were..." I guess your facts are off.
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By the way, you are misinformed.
Thank you allend. You seem like good people. I appreciate our conversations. Since I no longer live in Big Bear, Onyx is not a priority for me and I would have no way of hearing it where I'm located now. There's too much Mountain between me and Onyx and your observation that the repeaters are back on the air is quite helpful. Thank you.The Oynx Repeater is up and running. I reported over the weekend on The SBDCO rebanded thread that there are fire and public works talkgroups that were active.
...I'm replying not to Krazy but because he's spreading bad information to the other good people on this forum. This message is for them because they deserve it...
This in and of itself is disrespectful...
As a GROL and as an amateur extra class operator you offend me.
The information I posted very closely matches what Socalmountains posted.
That however does not affect what was said over the radio by E283 that walked in on foot and reported clearly on the assigned VHF tac channel that the main building and a second 20 x 20 outbuilding were burnt to the foundation. That included the statement that the County's new radio equipment vault had been completely destroyed.
That doesn't make me wrong hearing what I heard.
You and several others go out of your way to disprove me time and again using specious and unverified information...
That is why I have several of you blocked that enjoy following me from post to post and always following up with a negative post regarding what I've said.
I should not have to defend myself and my reputation each time I try to provide accurate information based on a long career of Public Safety.
LET IT GO.
I've read the various threads about the recent changes to the San Bernardino systems, encryption, etc and had been able to monitor systems 6/7, 8 and 9 but recently I can't receive anything on systems 8 and 9.
I know I was at least receiving fire departments and ambulance.
Does anyone have info as far as changes to frequencies or talk groups? System 6/7 is still coming in great with fire and AMR ambulance.
Any input is greatly appreciated!
I've read the various threads about the recent changes to the San Bernardino systems, encryption, etc and had been able to monitor systems 6/7, 8 and 9 but recently I can't receive anything on systems 8 and 9.
I know I was at least receiving fire departments and ambulance.
Does anyone have info as far as changes to frequencies or talk groups? System 6/7 is still coming in great with fire and AMR ambulance.
Any input is greatly appreciated!
I've read the various threads about the recent changes to the San Bernardino systems, encryption, etc and had been able to monitor systems 6/7, 8 and 9 but recently I can't receive anything on systems 8 and 9.
I know I was at least receiving fire departments and ambulance.
Does anyone have info as far as changes to frequencies or talk groups? System 6/7 is still coming in great with fire and AMR ambulance.
Any input is greatly appreciated!
Not sure how "you're misinformed" is blatant disrespect but... sure... he can take it however he wants to. Free country and all...
I'm replying not to Krazy but because he's spreading bad information to the other good people on this forum. This message is for them because they deserve it...
I monitored the call in progress including images from a security camera on site. In fact, just to prove AGAIN more misinformation, the "first" FFs at the site were NOT county FFs as was said, it was Big Bear FD. You don't have to trust my words, I'm not offended, pull up the broadcastify feed and listen to the audio. Big Bear FD (those are the engines in the two-eighty series) got their engine stuck part-way up the road and had to WALK the rest of the way (only to give a report on conditions). Not that it matters much but I also spoke directly with the BC DURING the incident. By coincidence, I also spoke this past week with a manager at County radio who told me it was the main generator building only and NO equipment was lost. If losing new radio equipment were true, it would/will be public record when they go to the county board of supervisors and put in a claim for replacement digital repeaters. Yes the FFs "said" it was the "main" building over the radio. Those initial FFs had NEVER been up there before to know one building from another. I don't think they actually know what the "main" building is and who could blame them for that? Their radio report did NOT say anything like "specifically identified as housing the new County radio system equipment." How would they even know this?
At any rate, read my posts closely I'm here not to disrespect but to inform.
The system 8 for the sheriff dept went to the P-25 system encryption.I've read the various threads about the recent changes to the San Bernardino systems, encryption, etc and had been able to monitor systems 6/7, 8 and 9 but recently I can't receive anything on systems 8 and 9.
I know I was at least receiving fire departments and ambulance.
Does anyone have info as far as changes to frequencies or talk groups? System 6/7 is still coming in great with fire and AMR ambulance.
Any input is greatly appreciated!
The system 8 for the sheriff dept went to the P-25 system encryption.
But you can still hear the SBCF on system 8 all they did is switched freqs.
There were two services for this information. Me and Socalmountain. They their own scribe copying everything down to their website. We were both reporting exactly what we heard over the radio. As I previously stated if the information changed after the fact I would not be privy to it. That doesn't mean my information was inaccurate. I provided the information that I received over the radio exactly as I heard it. I don't listen to Socalmountains because I have my own monitoring infrastructure. A rather expensive and elaborate infrastructure. It just happens that the information they reported is the same information I reported. I am done being called a liar here. Since I haven't been back here I would not consider the issue closed after reading the open disrespect from F40ph specifically stating that he was not addressing me for reasons that he couldn't justify. I am done being disrespected. Nice to see you here Chris.It seemed that this thread was "Let go" about a week ago until today when someone decided to throw gasoline on the smoldering fire and bring it back alive.
I won't repeat the facts that others have posted, but what I will add is that in the early stages of an event, information is often colored by the reporter and the witnesses to the event. That's natural, and no one is blaming anyone for that. This is something that everyone learns in Administration of Justice 101 classes.
What happened here, is someone never verified this information. For a month. It was repeated in various fourms on this website. Based on only reports from one at-home monitor. Only one source. It seems to me like someone has a bigger beef with the Socalmountains website where they obtained the bad information from than RadioReference.
Now, I don't know for certain, but in my experience, there are more people monitoring here than are registered. Some of this "information" makes it to a "friend of a friend" and before long, the users of the radio system in question - and political entities - think that there is a big black hole in radio coverage. I'm wondering how many queries the comm department in SB county needed to field because of this, and how many first responders didn't think their radios would work in places that they used to work.
I don't need to prove a radio site did not lose new radio equipment in a fire.
Like most everyone here, we read threads pertaining to SBCo. When we see information that is incorrect, we chime in.
If I were to share incorrect information on this forum, I would hope someone would point it out.
MON DEC 24 2:43 PM
ADDITIONAL UNITS HAVE MADE IT TO THE SCENE. TOTAL LOSS OF 20 BY 20 FOOT STRUCTURE HOUSING NEW COUNTY RADIO EQUIPMENT AS WELL AS RELATED HARDWARE SUCH AS BATTERIES. WILL INDICATE THIS AS A HAZ-MAT SITUATION ON THE NOTES AND WILL NOTIFY FOREST SERVICE OF HAZMAT DUE TO BATTERIES. NOTE THAT THE EQUIPMENT LOST IN THIS FIRE WAS NEW COUNTY RADIO EQUIPMENT. NOT SURE AT THIS TIME EXACTLY WHAT FREQUENCIES OR SERVICES MAY BE IMPACTED BY THE LOSS OF THIS STRUCTURE. LP GAS EXPOSURE HAS BEEN MITIGATED. A FIRE INVESTIGATOR HAS BEEN REQUESTED AND IS RESPONDING FROM THE APPLE VALLEY AREA.