scanner master discontinued bcd396xt!!!

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USB charging how many mAH does it charge at on the x36 and others hp1 2? And why can't the new models charge and listen simultaneously? And how is it safer than 6v plug?

It takes about 400-500 mAH for either charging or operation (operating being receiving at full volume with backlight on - IOW, maxed out).

Standard USB spec is 500 mAH which is the minimum USB ports should be able to provide. It is often the maximum they can provide to which explains why you can't use the current for both charging and for operation. You can't get 800-1000 mAH from a 500 mAH source.

As for safer? It has nothing to do with safety. It has to do with charging efficiency and the ability of a quasi-government commission to enforce stricter standards on efficiency. Unfortunately, charging cells in series cannot meet the requirement, so you can no longer produce a device that does that and sell it in CA. That's why no charger is provided with the newer Uniden scanners.

This will eventually affect everyone. Uniden was one of the first, if not THE first to get hit with a violation notice, so they are on the radar. Whistler is exempt so far because they have not sold any scanners designed after 2012 (I think that was the enactment date). Uniden can also sell older scanners like the BCD396XT which are technically in violation of the standards, but grandfathered.

Don't like the new rules? Write the CEC and complain.
 
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x96XT series totally reliable. Not a good match with the x36HP.

(Well, that wasn't very nice, but my dog is sick and I'm mad at the world).
 

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Just to keep the record straight: The 396XT was not discontinued by ScannerMaster, it was discontinued by Uniden and replaced with the 325P2. ScannerMaster sold the 396XT at a discount until we ran out of them. We left the 396 up on the webpage for a while until we were sure that we would not be getting more and then took it down.

While personally I love the 396XT (and you will need to pry it out of my cold dead fingers to get it away from me) my 325P2 seems to be a worthy successor. There are things I like about the 396XT better, including the look and feel, 3 cells instead of 2, etc. There are things I like about the 325 better as well, like the wider display and shorter stature. I am kind of on the fence between the SMA and BNC antenna connectors though.
 

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Just to keep the record straight: The 396XT was not discontinued by ScannerMaster, it was discontinued by Uniden and replaced with the 325P2. ScannerMaster sold the 396XT at a discount until we ran out of them. We left the 396 up on the webpage for a while until we were sure that we would not be getting more and then took it down.

While personally I love the 396XT (and you will need to pry it out of my cold dead fingers to get it away from me) my 325P2 seems to be a worthy successor. There are things I like about the 396XT better, including the look and feel, 3 cells instead of 2, etc. There are things I like about the 325 better as well, like the wider display and shorter stature. I am kind of on the fence between the SMA and BNC antenna connectors though.

I talked to uniden technical support last week and she said that they were still making them new?! And hands down BNC over sma that is the only thing I do like about the 325, and p2 of course.
 

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I'd like to see Uniden completely SCRAP the current user interface on the 396xt. While the scanner performs very good, the interface is just an absolute mess from a usability standpoint. Having to memorize system numbers, group bumpers, site numbers and number tags is just unbearable.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say I bet that is why the 396 is done, and hopefully they have some new rocket science developer making a new scanner with a slick, easy to utilize interface.
 

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I'd like to see Uniden completely SCRAP the current user interface on the 396xt. While the scanner performs very good, the interface is just an absolute mess from a usability standpoint. Having to memorize system numbers, group bumpers, site numbers and number tags is just unbearable.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say I bet that is why the 396 is done, and hopefully they have some new rocket science developer making a new scanner with a slick, easy to utilize interface.

They have one for people who want an "easy" user interface! It is the 436hp. I think half of the fun of scanning is programming!
 

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They have one for people who want an "easy" user interface! It is the 436hp. I think half of the fun of scanning is programming!

Programming is not the issue. Using software like freescan or the others is as easy as can be. It's the user interface of selecting what you want to scan at any given time on the unit. Or accessing a specific stored channel, it should not have to rely on memorizing things, codes, and keystrokes that don't make any sense (aka pressing function, then dot and a sequence of numbers...

How about instead, Menu, GoTo, [system], [group], [channel]. All selected via text ("tags"), nothing to remember, no "codes", no funky non-intuitive keystrokes... Function 0 zero turns on Weather watch, really? And the WX symbol next to the zero key is not backlit. How about Function, then scroll thru...; Pri, WX, GPS, Mod, Disp, .... Press enter. Just simple steps to do things without having to memorize "stuff".
 

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oh what you are saying makes sense but we live with what it is. The number key sequence is because if you are in another system, whjen you press hold, you have to input the system number, then a period to alert theradio that the next numbers are the channel or talk group. Then if we want to scan just that system, you can hold diown the hold key for a couple of seconds and you are then you are scanning JUST the group. You can do the same think by turning off the quick keys but I think the number key is alittle faster. I suppose , if there were more buttons on the scanner, we could improve but the scanner is small and there are no room for extra keys. The WX alert works, though you first have to hit hold, then the radio "pulses" in receive which many don't like as receive audio is clipped . I guess if the keys were backlite, the battery would drain out faster. Several of the "memorize keys" are like windows speed keys, like rather than edit then copy, just ctrl c. Photoshop has lots of speed keys. The number key selection is what I have found that is as close to what it was with a 780xlt of a 296d. With DMA design, we just can not address channels like we used to. The GRE scanners with object oriented is just as confusing until you get the hang of it. What is really "fun" is getting your brain re-enginered when you jump from a Uniden to a GRE. Lately a 536 Uniden throws another into the mess.
 

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Any scanner that can hold 25000 channels will be complicated. I don't have but 3 systems I dont mix and match groups and sites meaning I use group and site keys same on each system to scan 1-1 2-2 3-3 quick keys. I trunk p25 digital and gsp and back home analog frequencies. Today I may make #4 for amateur radio. I guess bigger systems could get complicated but its easy as pie for me. I have the cables to talk to computer but never use them.
 

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I'd like to see Uniden completely SCRAP the current user interface on the 396xt. While the scanner performs very good, the interface is just an absolute mess from a usability standpoint. Having to memorize system numbers, group bumpers, site numbers and number tags is just unbearable.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say I bet that is why the 396 is done, and hopefully they have some new rocket science developer making a new scanner with a slick, easy to utilize interface.

The new supposed replacement, the bcd325p2, user interface is exactly the same as the 396! My hope is they don't go away from hand program all together as that is how I do it..
 

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oh what you are saying makes sense but we live with what it is.

That is exactly why we are at the same point today with scanner technology as we were back in 1986 when I had a Bearcat 1000xlt (or 100xlt, whataver that one was..?). There really is absolutely no improvement other than the ability to carry the new trunked type systems, and even that was done what 10 or 15 years ago now?

It really is time we get them to move forward with a reasonable user friendly interface. We need to ALL make them (the manufacturer's) focus on that. Otherwise, it will be 2030, and we will still be "pressing HOLD + dot + 1 + dot + 1 to put a scanner into "scan mode" of a particular system. Doesn't make any sense at all.


.... Then if we want to scan just that system, you can hold diown the hold key for a couple of seconds and you are then you are scanning JUST the group. You can do the same think by turning off the quick keys but I think the number key is alittle faster.

That demonstrates exactly my point. Press and hold the [HOLD] key to put the scanner in SCAN mode!! hmmmmmm....... that's intuitive for the user! ;)


Any scanner that can hold 25000 channels will be complicated.

That is not true at all. It does NOT have to be complicated. Complicated to program systems and understand frequencies and tones and how systems and radio's work is fine, we can't "fix" that. But the user interface does not need to be complicated, it could be very simple if they simply selected a proper processor (instead of a cheap logic processor you can't do much with), and then focused on creating a GUI that is intuitive. Cell phones used to be complicated back in the late 80's and early 90's. You had to press the [MEM] key, and then a 2 digit # to direct dial a stored phone number, and you could only store 99 of them. Remember that? Well, how hard is it now to dial any of the 1000's of contacts multiple numbers or email addresses on your iPhone? And, there are NO buttons! So the not enough room for buttons excuse doesn't work anymore. ;)

Simply put, we should be able to program and NAME any and all systems, groups and individual frequencies into memory. And then simply select items, groups and/or complete systems, drag and drop them or just check them off and press SCAN to scan them. Presss GOTO and select a name from the list (select a system, select a group, select your item), press enter and you are on it. Press the WEATHER key to listen to Weather.... you know, the key should actually do what it says it does. Not some cryptic unmarked code to do it.

Honestly, I've been out of scanning for 5 to 10 years, and just got back into it and bought the 396xlt. I still have my old 245xlt, and I am astonished at the lack of progress in the technology. When I thought about buying a new scanner, I thought for sure the technology would have changed, but to my surprise it actually went backwards in the interface arena.

This really needs to change, and there is absolutely no reason it shouldn't. I hope Uniden and the other manufer's are reading this and thinking long and hard about it, and/or are already onto this....

Just my perspective....
 
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Uniden's new Phase 2 X2-TDMA Scanner with Audio Capture. Internal digital recorder with 512MB on board memory. This would be the Ultimate Flagship Scanner !

***Icom's R-20 receiver has 32MB of internal memory and is capable of recording 260 minutes @ it's lowest audio quality and 65 minutes @ highest quality. The R-20 came out over 10 years ago.***

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Man, that black case of the 396 does look really nice!! I wonder if anyone has ever taken the case off and tried painting it? Probably really easy. That black looks a lot nicer than the silver/grey.....
 

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I love my 396XT. Uniden should stick with this format instead of "dumbing" down their scanners.
 

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I don't want them to "dumb them down". I want them to make a user friendly, intuitive to use, interface. That does NOT mean make it a beginner device that you can't do anything with like the Home patrol type units with very little customization.

I'm talking about a highly customizable, feature rich unit with an easy to use, intuitive menu system. One that has keys that say what they do, one that has a display that can display more text than my 8 digit dot matrix calculator in 1972 could. One that does not require two hands to perform most functions (aka hold down one key, press a button on the side, then scroll a wheel on the top of the unit....). A unit with one interface, not four different interfaces (scroll knob, keys, 2nd function keys, side buttons). One that requires no memorization..... I could go on and on.
 

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There is no reason "dumbing down" need be exclusive to complex programming - look at the x36 series. You can either enter the zip code and use the preloaded database or use FLs and program the scanner to what you want. #BestOfBothWorlds
 

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Remember that the 325P2/996P2 and the 436/536 are intended for different audiences. The 436/536 and HomePatrol scanners are intended for those who do not want to worry about frequencies and talkgroups etc. but just want to listen to their local police or other services.

The 325/996 are intended for us scannists and those who know or are willing to learn the freqs and techy details.

The days of simple programming using rigid banks are gone for the most part. While there are still a few low-end radios that use that method, if you want to track trunking systems or use digital you need to learn Uniden or Whistlers programming or get a database scanner.
 

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I disagree. While the x36 series can be used by "those who do not want to worry about frequencies and talkgroups etc", it is equally suited for the advanced user as well. It can do anything the 325 can do plus much more.
 

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You are right, it is equally good for both types of users. I just wish it was somewhat smaller...
 
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