If it was me, wouldn't you say I drive home a good point for not putting these TAZARS in the average joe's hands?
Ahhh..........Theater of the mind! I love a good story.
Ahhh..........Theater of the mind! I love a good story.
Scanner or Taser ???
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It had me rollin' - my thanks for the chucle !!
Thank You, Thank you very much. I'll be here all week! Be sure to tip your waitress 8)
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Buckskinner33 said:
Looky here, we have our own comedian !!! :lol: :lol:
Tell me Scan-Denver, Did you start to feel sorry for the cat?
As I stated before Im not a wierd duck, I'm just strange.
As I stated before Im not a wierd duck, I'm just strange.
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Buckskinner33 said:Tell me Scan-Denver, Did you start to feel sorry for the cat?
As I stated before Im not a wierd duck, I'm just strange.
I started to, was glad to hear the cat was spared !!
Trust Me .... No animals was harmed in the making of this story!
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Buckskinner33 said:Trust Me .... No animals was harmed in the making of this story!
JD, Rick needs to bring you down to Denver the next time he comes, we'll book a few nights here at Comic Central for a few laughs !!!
I'm more "Funny looking" then "funny HA HA". The worlds full of fat 30 somthing comedians. I'm just a drop in the bucket.
Thanks for the offer :wink:
Thanks for the offer :wink:
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Buckskinner33 said:
We can squeeze you in the half-time show !! :lol: :lol:
Now thats funny! :lol:
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n0lqt said:
I think we can book Janet Jackson too !! :lol: :lol:
Medical examiner ties death to officer's Taser
Medical examiner ties death to officer's Taser
By David Heinzmann and John Chase
Tribune staff reporters
Published July 30, 2005
The Cook County medical examiner's office has ruled that a Chicago police sergeant's Taser stun gun killed a man, the first time in the United States the supposedly non-lethal device has been determined to have caused death.
Police say they have not seen Deputy Medical Examiner Scott Denton's report on the Feb. 10 death of Ronald Hasse, and they will not decide if any policies need to be changed until consulting with other experts.
"We will evaluate again this particular incident and we will continue to evaluate all of the available information and documentation relative to the use of Tasers," said First Deputy Supt. Dana Starks.
Hasse was shot with the Taser as police tried to subdue him in a 26th-floor Lakeview apartment after they arrived to help Fire Department personnel and Hasse allegedly tried to bite an officer.
Denton said Hasse received the electrical shock produced by the Taser for 57 seconds, more than 10 times the usual amount.
"That's a long time," Denton said. "It's the thing that makes this one different."
The Police Department is still investigating why such a large shock was delivered.
Hasse had a significant amount of methamphetamine in his bloodstream, which Denton said was a contributing factor to his death. He said he could not conclude whether the 57-second Taser shock alone would have been fatal if Hasse's body had not already been under stress of the drug.
Taser International, maker of the device, has waged a persistent media campaign in recent years--mostly via e-mail--to combat research that has suggested doubts about the company's claim that the device is non-lethal under all circumstances. The Arizona-based company immediately challenged Denton's conclusion.
"We believe that the scientific and medical community will publicly challenge this conclusion based upon the lack of credible evidence. Taser International will seek a judicial review of the report, and the basis for which those statements were made," said the company's spokesman, Steve Tuttle.
"We are concerned, as the citizens of Cook County should be, about the process in which a member of the medical examiner's office can be influenced by the opinions of others with no formal medical or engineering degrees."
Denton defended his conclusions and said he did extensive research, read Taser's many statements from its own testing on the effects of the stun gun and consulted with other doctors in the medical examiner's office before concluding the device was the principal cause of Hasse's death.
"I'm not trying to be an advocate or to spin things or attack Taser," Denton said. "This is just really what I think happened."
The Police Department's protocols for use of its 200 Tasers will remain the same as since Hasse's death, Starks said. An order for more of the devices was suspended at that time.
Police are "concerned about what the medical examiner said," Starks said.
Medical examiner ties death to officer's Taser
By David Heinzmann and John Chase
Tribune staff reporters
Published July 30, 2005
The Cook County medical examiner's office has ruled that a Chicago police sergeant's Taser stun gun killed a man, the first time in the United States the supposedly non-lethal device has been determined to have caused death.
Police say they have not seen Deputy Medical Examiner Scott Denton's report on the Feb. 10 death of Ronald Hasse, and they will not decide if any policies need to be changed until consulting with other experts.
"We will evaluate again this particular incident and we will continue to evaluate all of the available information and documentation relative to the use of Tasers," said First Deputy Supt. Dana Starks.
Hasse was shot with the Taser as police tried to subdue him in a 26th-floor Lakeview apartment after they arrived to help Fire Department personnel and Hasse allegedly tried to bite an officer.
Denton said Hasse received the electrical shock produced by the Taser for 57 seconds, more than 10 times the usual amount.
"That's a long time," Denton said. "It's the thing that makes this one different."
The Police Department is still investigating why such a large shock was delivered.
Hasse had a significant amount of methamphetamine in his bloodstream, which Denton said was a contributing factor to his death. He said he could not conclude whether the 57-second Taser shock alone would have been fatal if Hasse's body had not already been under stress of the drug.
Taser International, maker of the device, has waged a persistent media campaign in recent years--mostly via e-mail--to combat research that has suggested doubts about the company's claim that the device is non-lethal under all circumstances. The Arizona-based company immediately challenged Denton's conclusion.
"We believe that the scientific and medical community will publicly challenge this conclusion based upon the lack of credible evidence. Taser International will seek a judicial review of the report, and the basis for which those statements were made," said the company's spokesman, Steve Tuttle.
"We are concerned, as the citizens of Cook County should be, about the process in which a member of the medical examiner's office can be influenced by the opinions of others with no formal medical or engineering degrees."
Denton defended his conclusions and said he did extensive research, read Taser's many statements from its own testing on the effects of the stun gun and consulted with other doctors in the medical examiner's office before concluding the device was the principal cause of Hasse's death.
"I'm not trying to be an advocate or to spin things or attack Taser," Denton said. "This is just really what I think happened."
The Police Department's protocols for use of its 200 Tasers will remain the same as since Hasse's death, Starks said. An order for more of the devices was suspended at that time.
Police are "concerned about what the medical examiner said," Starks said.
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I don't think civilians should use or have access to the taser. LEO go through training to be able to carry a taser and this training is continuous. They carry it on their belts day in and day out and always have a hands on with the taser. Civilians may not always have it accessible and put it next to the bed in a nightstand or in a closet and don't ever get the time they need to be proficient with it. (Just like a lot of other things, guns, tools etc..)Another thing is a lot of people don't realize that chosing the target on a person is imperative. The average Joe doenst always think able the situation at hand either. LEO are taught to quickly survey the scene and to be able to rationally think about what needs to happen. IE: If they have someone standing in a body of water and they need to subdue him/her, do I really want to use the taser? What other options are there? (OC, Baton, Physical Force)Are they gonna fall in there and drown? These and other factors need to be considered. Things that I feel the average person doesn't always think about can turn a bad situation even worse. If a person is shot in the groin or face, it is going to take the skills of medical personnel to remove the barbs.
If a taser were to fall in the hands of a person with less than honorable intentions and that person was lurking in the shadows waiting for the right opportunity, he could easily do a great deal of harm to the officer as he is helpless. Granted the same could be said for a person carrying a gun or knife or bat or what ever else you can think of. But the officer has a chance to defend himself in the way he was trained. I think with the taser in the hands of the public, although the intentions may be good, could lead to bad things for a good law enforcement tool....Just my .02
Matt
If a taser were to fall in the hands of a person with less than honorable intentions and that person was lurking in the shadows waiting for the right opportunity, he could easily do a great deal of harm to the officer as he is helpless. Granted the same could be said for a person carrying a gun or knife or bat or what ever else you can think of. But the officer has a chance to defend himself in the way he was trained. I think with the taser in the hands of the public, although the intentions may be good, could lead to bad things for a good law enforcement tool....Just my .02
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