Scanner Tales: Merry FRS Christmas!

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A friend of mine who I have known for almost 40 years got in the habit of listening to walkie-talkie frequencies on Christmas morning many years ago, long before I met him. He thought it was fun to listen to the little tykes blabbering on CB Channel 14, then 49 MHz. and more recently on FRS channels thru the years.

I started doing the same one year after hearing him talk about it and I have to admit that, sort of like listening to McDonald's order windows (Anyone remember 35.02/154.570?), it is inexplicitly fun to eavesdrop. Well, for a while anyway.

This takes us into the realm of history. In the beginning man created CB radio. He gave his hard-earned money and got in return great tidings of joy. Well, actually he got cheap walkie talkies on CB Channel 14. Back in the late 1960's and well into the 1980's Channel 14 on 27.125 MHz AM was the go-to channel for the cheap, single channel walkie-talkies of the day, mostly purchased at Radio Shack. Radio Shack (back when it was still 2 words) had a store in every town of over 30 people it seemed, and 2 in every large mall. They were ubiquitous around the USA and back then actually sold radios. Of course, this was back before the days of "You have questions, we have blank stares".

For some reason Channel 14 was chosen to be the common channel for these walkie-talkies. I don't know why this channel was chosen over any other, but it was a good idea for the consumer that there was a fairly common channel. This allowed one to buy any of many different models of radios and they would all talk to each other. Interoperability at its best!

Radio Shack sold many different radios with Channel 14 in them. They had the "Space Patrol" line geared towards kids. Some of these had "Morse Code" buttons, basically a big red button that sent an audio tone out over the channel. This was used mostly to annoy any of the adults listening in. They even had a CB base station meant for kids, this had a Channel 14 transmit crystal and a tuner that allowed you to listen in on the whole CB band. Good luck on tuning in on Channel 14 to actually listen to your buddy though, they were notoriously inept at remaining on the receive frequency. When I was a kid, we all had these in the neighborhood and even connected them to our home's TV antennas for greater range. That worked great except when Dad was watching Lawrence Welk or Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom, and the picture got all fuzzy and kid's voices scrambled old Marlin Perkins as he stalked the Serengeti for the elusive lion/parakeet hybrid.

Later the 49 MHz. band was opened to "personal communicators" and a new crop of kid-friendly radios were introduced. These were often smaller and sold in pairs. This was where I first encountered the AAAA battery, even smaller and more expensive than the AAA or AA cells. Like a bulimic super-model or Apple with the MacBook and iPhone, thinner was better, the AAAA cells made it happen.

There were other types of stuff sold that used these frequencies like baby monitors, pagers and intercom systems but what really made these frequencies awesome to listen to were cordless phones. 49.875 seemed to be the common channel for walkies if I recall correctly. The ones geared towards kids often also had the red Morse Code button on them.

The cordless phones that first appeared on the 49 MHz. band often used the 1.7 MHz. range for the base transmit, I think it was 1710 KHz. on some and 1730 on others. While these are now part of the AM Broadcast band, back then they had other uses. The first model cordless phones we had were on 1710 KHz./49 MHz. when I was a teenager. We would take the handsets out and ride our bikes until we found a dial tone then call home and tell Mom we were using a "Car Phone". This was well before Caller-ID so she had no idea where we were. Within bicycle range I was able to find a half dozen or so of these. We were what they would call "Free-range kids" these days, leaving the house after breakfast, coming home for lunch and then out all afternoon, don't be late for dinner and after dinner be home when the streetlights come on. As long as we didn't end up in the hospital or police station she didn't really care where we were.

Still later FRS radios became popular and cheap enough to be given to kids for Christmas. Sometimes they lasted past New Years before being lost, flushed or crushed. To this day they remain the radio of choice to be given to little Johnnie so he can talk to Billie across the street.

These radios weren't originally developed to be kiddie toys, they were intended first to be useful tools for the construction worker, road worker, store clerk or warehouse manager. They evolved into kid's toys as they got cheap enough to produce and sell and a new market opened up for them, for better or worse.

So, this Christmas morning listen in to the FRS channels for the kids down the street chirping and burping. It will be fun listening for at least a few minutes.
 

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In 1967 (no, not "The Chicago Fire Department"), I got a pair of Knight Kit C100 walkie talkies. They were blue with a slanted front, had a long telescopic antenna, and ran on a 9 volt battery. They also had channel 14 receive/transmit crystals, but heard EVERY CB channel, and even 35.58 "megocycles as authorized by the Federal Communications Commission Washington DC." This transmission came across the C100s on a regular basis, including the local channel 13 activity. The regulars were Snidely Whiplash, Low Flyer, The Hot Fireman, Lawman, "Schwartz (lived on Schwartz in Lisle)," and a plethora of other "personalities" who lived in the Downers Grove, Illinois area. They all had call letters and several actually used them! I recall whenever I turned on the walkie talkies, the old console television was obliterated! This severely limited my use of them unless I was several hundred feet from the perimeters of our home. They were long gone in my radio hobby, however I claimed a pair of them for nostalgic reasons when the estate of "Father Ed Sirovy" was open to the public for sale several years ago after his passing.

For the benefit of CARMA Chicago members, I will sign off with the memory of "Father Ed" by saying, "In1967, the Chicago Fire Department,....."
 

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Ron, I'll be convening another CARMA meeting mid-January or early February 2025. We will meet at Baker's Square in Woodridge located on 75th Street just east of I-355. When I firm up the date, I'll post it on the Illinois forum on Radio Reference, Facebook, and our groups.io email reflector. Last time, we had a good turnout in the private dining room, separate checks, and great pie! Stay tuned.
 

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As a kid I only wish I had access to FRS. I always had "walkie-talkies" (or what the dumb reporter says in Die Hard: "two-way communicators." LOL) on that 49 MHz frequency that would only go about 300'.

At around age 12 I climbed the roof with disassembled 49 MHz "walkie-talkie" in hand and connected it to our not in use TV antenna to see if I could pick up anyone else. To my dismay nothing.

Yeah, FRS would have been something for me. When I was young I was the military kid on the block with a ton of fake guns and camouflage. I had it all, even a gas mask. Even two 3' long fake M60 machine guns complete with tripods. Yes, they made those back in the '90s and were either sold at Toy "R" Us or a flea market. I even went so far as to take my shirt off, rub mud over my chest and pretend I was like Arnold in Predator. HAHAHA The neighbor just laughed. Rambo and Commando were my two favorite movies back then! I even had a binder with treaties for all the kids around the block. LOL! I took GI Joe to the next level... Besides, that was my go-to cartoon back in the day.

Fast forward to high school and I was in JROTC as a Sergent first squad leader. Still remember all the commands and it's been over 20 years. No, never served for real, but almost did. Wanted to be in Delta or SEALs. I read the book Inside Delta Force by Eric L. Haney. Pretty good book and if you're doing research on the Iranian hostage situation back in the '80s that's a good reference.
 

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Thanks for the memories. I had one of the Radio Shack walkie-talkies on channel 14 in Memphis, TN. I think I got them for Christmas of 1970. The receiver selectivity left something to be desired and I could hear the father of one of my classmates with his Browning Golden Eagle, amp, and beam a few blocks away, even though he was on channel 6 and not channel 14. After about a year, I got a General Radiotelephone MC-5. Quite a few junior high kids in south Memphis had licensed CBs and we stayed on channel 20. Not a year latter I got my amateur license and shifted to that world. BTW, as a broadcast engineer for many years, 1710 kHz. & 1730 kHz were never part of the expanded broadcast band (the band edge for the uppermost frequency, 1700 kHz. is 1710 kHz as 10 kHz is the highest modulating frequency allowed). A spectrum chart shows 1700 kHz to 1800 kHz to be allocated to fixed, mobile, and radiolocation. Even though the wireless phones that used the 1700 kHz band had inefficient antennas they traveled a good distance, especially if the user had extended the base antenna. Most users were totally oblivious they could be heard by anyone with the proper receivers - just like early cellular users. Happy New Year to everyone!
 

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Great story, thanks for sharing.
Everyone in my neighborhood had a set of walkie talkies.
In the mid 70s the CB craze was at its peak, it seemed like everyone had a CB in their car.
Here was the walkie talkie set I was sporting (I always gave my sister Robin...)!

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A friend of mine who I have known for almost 40 years got in the habit of listening to walkie-talkie frequencies on Christmas morning many years ago, long before I met him. He thought it was fun to listen to the little tykes blabbering on CB Channel 14, then 49 MHz. and more recently on FRS channels thru the years.

I started doing the same one year after hearing him talk about it and I have to admit that, sort of like listening to McDonald's order windows (Anyone remember 35.02/154.570?), it is inexplicitly fun to eavesdrop. Well, for a while anyway.

This takes us into the realm of history. In the beginning man created CB radio. He gave his hard-earned money and got in return great tidings of joy. Well, actually he got cheap walkie talkies on CB Channel 14. Back in the late 1960's and well into the 1980's Channel 14 on 27.125 MHz AM was the go-to channel for the cheap, single channel walkie-talkies of the day, mostly purchased at Radio Shack. Radio Shack (back when it was still 2 words) had a store in every town of over 30 people it seemed, and 2 in every large mall. They were ubiquitous around the USA and back then actually sold radios. Of course, this was back before the days of "You have questions, we have blank stares".

For some reason Channel 14 was chosen to be the common channel for these walkie-talkies. I don't know why this channel was chosen over any other, but it was a good idea for the consumer that there was a fairly common channel. This allowed one to buy any of many different models of radios and they would all talk to each other. Interoperability at its best!

Radio Shack sold many different radios with Channel 14 in them. They had the "Space Patrol" line geared towards kids. Some of these had "Morse Code" buttons, basically a big red button that sent an audio tone out over the channel. This was used mostly to annoy any of the adults listening in. They even had a CB base station meant for kids, this had a Channel 14 transmit crystal and a tuner that allowed you to listen in on the whole CB band. Good luck on tuning in on Channel 14 to actually listen to your buddy though, they were notoriously inept at remaining on the receive frequency. When I was a kid, we all had these in the neighborhood and even connected them to our home's TV antennas for greater range. That worked great except when Dad was watching Lawrence Welk or Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom, and the picture got all fuzzy and kid's voices scrambled old Marlin Perkins as he stalked the Serengeti for the elusive lion/parakeet hybrid.

Later the 49 MHz. band was opened to "personal communicators" and a new crop of kid-friendly radios were introduced. These were often smaller and sold in pairs. This was where I first encountered the AAAA battery, even smaller and more expensive than the AAA or AA cells. Like a bulimic super-model or Apple with the MacBook and iPhone, thinner was better, the AAAA cells made it happen.

There were other types of stuff sold that used these frequencies like baby monitors, pagers and intercom systems but what really made these frequencies awesome to listen to were cordless phones. 49.875 seemed to be the common channel for walkies if I recall correctly. The ones geared towards kids often also had the red Morse Code button on them.

The cordless phones that first appeared on the 49 MHz. band often used the 1.7 MHz. range for the base transmit, I think it was 1710 KHz. on some and 1730 on others. While these are now part of the AM Broadcast band, back then they had other uses. The first model cordless phones we had were on 1710 KHz./49 MHz. when I was a teenager. We would take the handsets out and ride our bikes until we found a dial tone then call home and tell Mom we were using a "Car Phone". This was well before Caller-ID so she had no idea where we were. Within bicycle range I was able to find a half dozen or so of these. We were what they would call "Free-range kids" these days, leaving the house after breakfast, coming home for lunch and then out all afternoon, don't be late for dinner and after dinner be home when the streetlights come on. As long as we didn't end up in the hospital or police station she didn't really care where we were.

Still later FRS radios became popular and cheap enough to be given to kids for Christmas. Sometimes they lasted past New Years before being lost, flushed or crushed. To this day they remain the radio of choice to be given to little Johnnie so he can talk to Billie across the street.

These radios weren't originally developed to be kiddie toys, they were intended first to be useful tools for the construction worker, road worker, store clerk or warehouse manager. They evolved into kid's toys as they got cheap enough to produce and sell and a new market opened up for them, for better or worse.

So, this Christmas morning listen in to the FRS channels for the kids down the street chirping and burping. It will be fun listening for at least a few minutes.
Blessed Christmas Everyone.

Also, there are many GMRS frequencies mixed in. Many time you would almost think that you are hearing a traditional HAM frequency. Very decent and friendly conversations on those too. FRS while it can be used in some business settings, and special events, most of those seem to be kids goofing around. The PL tones create more possibilities. There have been times where I hear kids being silly on those, I'll come on and say..."Station 51 KMG365". Kids will sometime say who's that? :)
 

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There have been times where I hear kids being silly on those, I'll come on and say..."Station 51 KMG365". Kids will sometime say who's that? :)


LOL :D I'd like to do that but then again I'm afraid of the neighbors labeling me a Pedo. Messed up time we live in, ya know. LOL!

When I was in my 20s however I'd mess with the kids and pretend like I was a radio DJ.

With GMRS being added to the older (?) radios, you have to wonder how many kids tried talking to the people having a conversation on the repeater. Especially the parents being dumbfounded about that and not knowing how it works.


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The Batman and Robin two-way radios look awfully familiar, but I was born in 1980. It's conceivably possible they were still available during my time or my mom picked them up used at a garage sale.
 

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Years ago I bought my 8 year old niece a pair of cheap walkie-talkies. She took one to the community pool about 2 blocks away. I was making all sorts of weird sounds and she was laughing. I then started acting really goofy. Then another girl got on and continued the silliness. She came back an hour later and I asked her how the reception was. She said she never heard anything and went swimming. 😳
 

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As a kid I only wish I had access to FRS. I always had "walkie-talkies" (or what the dumb reporter says in Die Hard: "two-way communicators." LOL) on that 49 MHz frequency that would only go about 300'.
Same. Growing up in the 80's I always got those 49mhz radios for birthday/christmas and I could not talk to my friend from the backyard to the front. I grew up in a small house so that wasn't a great distance. I would have loved to been able to talk to my friend 2 blocks over
 

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Same. Growing up in the 80's I always got those 49mhz radios for birthday/christmas and I could not talk to my friend from the backyard to the front. I grew up in a small house so that wasn't a great distance. I would have loved to been able to talk to my friend 2 blocks over

I was eventually able to do that with a friend I had in high school after I bought a couple RadioShack green dot business radios at a pawn shop. They put out 2 watts and my friend who had an amateur radio license constructed some J-Pole antennas which allowed us to communicate about a mile a part. Today, that green dot frequency is part of the MURS unlicensed band.

At the time I didn't have a license. I also wore a leather jacket and used grease in my hair... :D
 

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Blessed Christmas Everyone.

Also, there are many GMRS frequencies mixed in. Many time you would almost think that you are hearing a traditional HAM frequency. Very decent and friendly conversations on those too. FRS while it can be used in some business settings, and special events, most of those seem to be kids goofing around. The PL tones create more possibilities. There have been times where I hear kids being silly on those, I'll come on and say..."Station 51 KMG365". Kids will sometime say who's that? :)
Remember the Tone-out from Station 51, whenever they were called out ? Ironically, that Same EXACT tone out is used at Dekalb Fire department, here in Illinois ! Someday, I have to ask them if that was Nostalgia that eeked it's way into their coms ! Everytime I hear that tone-out I get the warm fuzzies lol! :giggle:
 
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When we were doing our new consoles and fire alerting system for the several towns we were involved with we tried to replicate the Station 51 tones for our FD as close as we could with two-tone. The issue we had was that the Station 51 tones were 2+2 so had a distinctive sound that one just couldn't replicate properly on 1+1. I couldn't get the chief to spring for the extra cost of converting a couple dozen alert receivers for a vanity project.

One of our my partners in the project that worked in the adjacent town selected the towns for his town based on how good they sounded and that they sounded as different from other nearby towns as they could. It worked great!
 

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When we were doing our new consoles and fire alerting system for the several towns we were involved with we tried to replicate the Station 51 tones for our FD as close as we could with two-tone. The issue we had was that the Station 51 tones were 2+2 so had a distinctive sound that one just couldn't replicate properly on 1+1. I couldn't get the chief to spring for the extra cost of converting a couple dozen alert receivers for a vanity project.

One of our my partners in the project that worked in the adjacent town selected the towns for his town based on how good they sounded and that they sounded as different from other nearby towns as they could. It worked great!
I have no idea How DCFD did it, but it sounds spot on !! The first time I heard mt SDS do that, I nearly got whiplash lol!
 
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